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@AngieBelle wrote:
@Betsypaige24 wrote:
@AngieBelle wrote:
We saw them happy during their interrupted dates….that is why I think that was the point of them. I think we will eventually see more of their relationship develop in season 3.
We’ll see….. the burger date at least lasted a couple of minutes; the picnic was pathetic at maybe 1 second, lol. I did enjoy the entire scene, though: the way Belle came to his defense after those Charmings accused him of murder (good job, with no proof at all), the way she looked at him as he patted Pongo, the way he talked to her as if she was the only one in the room.
I hope you’re right about S3, but I do honestly think the interrupted dates or moments in S2 were designed to frustrate fans and Rumbelle.
I really doubt they being vindictive and seeking to frustrate us on purpose. Writing doesn’t work that way. Why antagonize your audience intentionally? They are simply telling the story the way they want to tell it. In film and tv, you have a very short time to get a message across.
Writing isn’t supposed to work that way, but some writers are better than others. I guess I know that they didn’t do it on purpose to tick fans off, but I’m not going to pretend that I think they did a great job with Rumbelle this year. They gave us some wonderful scenes – beautiful and tragic and glorious, but I think it’s pretty terrible to tell us that their happy times were off-screen. Sorry, tv is a visual medium – don’t tell us, show us. I can’t pretend to love that they showed us all their downs and we didn’t get to see some important things like Gold bringing Belle to his/their house, the first time he saw her in a nighty, etc… A few scenes here or there would have been wonderful; I’m not asking for the entire show to be Rumbelle. There’s a blog out there that shows the amount of minutes Rumbelle got all season – and it was rather paltry number. There must be a better balance.
I can love Rumbelle, love most of the scenes we got and still think the writers should have done a better job. Oh well, S2 is over- I guess we’ll have to wait and see what they intend for S3.
[adrotate group="5"]@AngieBelle wrote:
We saw them happy during their interrupted dates….that is why I think that was the point of them. I think we will eventually see more of their relationship develop in season 3.
We’ll see….. the burger date at least lasted a couple of minutes; the picnic was pathetic at maybe 1 second, lol. I did enjoy the entire scene, though: the way Belle came to his defense after those Charmings accused him of murder (good job, with no proof at all), the way she looked at him as he patted Pongo, the way he talked to her as if she was the only one in the room.
I hope you’re right about S3, but I do honestly think the interrupted dates or moments in S2 were designed to frustrate fans and Rumbelle.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
I agree that the interruptions are annoying, especially when Rumbelle are on a date, but I don’t think think it’s A and E being cruel, they have to advance their plot. And Rumbelle dating is a sub sub plot. We want it, of course, as fans. But A and E have a story to tell. There was a great moment at Paley this year where Eddy said something like he’d love to write the episode where Snow and Emma just go shopping for a day, but they can’t do that. They have 22 episodes to tell their tale, and you can’t take large amounts of time out for a date. Snowing never get it either. They are showing walking with coffee, discussing the current situation, but that’s about it.
Yeah but who’s asking for an entire episode of that? Rumbelle’s story, at this point, SHOULD be them in a relationship; we’ve never seen it. Snowing is already married and we get a LOT of moments of them with Henry or Emma in the loft. We don’t get and haven’t had any of that with Rumbelle; all we’ve gotten are dramatic scenes……granted, beautiful ones. You can’t be in a relationship if you are not together – ever. Part of their story should be showing these two in love and being happy; if the writers can’t show that, then they are terrible writers. I’m sorry, that’s not a knock at ONCE, it’s a criticism I have of writers in general. If you are talented, you can find a way to make anything work.
Skin Deep was beautiful because we got to see these two fall in love…….and now we don’t get to see them in a relationship; we’ve merely gotten to see how they feel about each other. If the show wants to get back to character-based storytelling, it’s important to show Rumbelle being happy and together – and finally let them deal with whatever angst may happen together, not apart. It’s really unfair to ask the audience to keep the faith, to watch through ALL of the downs – and never give them real significant ups.
Yes, Charming is the one who understands about Belle the most. He left realizing Rumple needed a moment alone with her.
Hmm, I have a love hate relationship with him. I thought we’d get a CharmBelle friendship after Child of the Moon but then he ignored her for the rest of the season and didn’t take care of her at all in the hospital. Belle was left to be drugged -and Regina was allowed to enter, twice.
He actually left only because Gold gave him that look, lol – no idea if he would have left if he hadn’t.
I’m sort of hoping that everyone on that ship saw Rumbelle kiss and maybe, just maybe, they will start thinking of Gold as a human being. To the Charmings, he’s still the lizardy creature they know from FTL – in fact, to everyone in town he still is that. He comes down the hospital steps in “Brother”, shattered about Belle, and all everyone can do is ask him to magically cure a stranger (Whale was drinking on the job). Then in the finale, not a second after Gold finds out his son is dead, he’s asked to go into super hero mode and save the town.
@AngieBelle wrote:
There is one! But sometimes the topic comes up on other threads. If you don’t like it, you are always welcome to change the subject.
And it’s not off-topic anyway, lol
Angie, if that’s the case, that would annoy the heck out of me..but I actually don’t think it is. I think they purposely wanted those dates interrupted as they wanted no kiss in the Outsider (which made NO sense) because the writers wanted to build up to the finale. I thought that was ludicrous – there’s no way Rumbelle would not kiss in the moment before his potentially life-altering line-crossing (same with the car).
The fact that there was a deleted scene from the car where Gold kissed Belle’s hand also infuriates me.
The Charmings are the ones who interrupt the most and usually in Gold’s shop where Rumple and Belle are trying to enjoy some privacy. Even when Rumple and Belle were trying to say goodbye to each other in the finale, Charming was hanging around.
I didn’t have so much of a problem with Charming in the finale, but good lord, the Charmings constantly interrupt – and Regina did a fair job of interrupting the burger scene. If the writers keep doing this upon Gold’s return in S3, that will really be unbelievably cruel of them and frankly piss poor writing. Either let them have a relationship where they can get something done without having to put a force field around them or break them up and forget it. Now I’m obviously being sarcastic, but these two seriously need to be with each other……for more than 5 seconds at a time.
I thought Gold’s look at Charming was rather touching because he gave it just after Belle asked when he’d be coming home…..to HER. I don’t know if Charming suspected that Gold didn’t expect to return, but Gold’s look was more like a plea to leave because now he was going to have to say an incredibly hearbreaking goodbye.
If you notice, Gold didn’t speak at all after his line about needing to honor Bae; he couldn’t. I think if he had, he would have broken down. Here was Belle, so strong, crying – because of him. I believe that he truly believed in Belle’s love in the Outsider. That is, he stopped wondering why she loved him and just accepted that he did, truly and deeply. When he said in the phone call scene that she “really, really loved” him, that was extraordinarily powerful because you could see how he was in pain at that moment and he actually squeezed his eyes shut to emphasize how much he knew she loved him. So, here is his strong, heroic Belle trying to be brave, but crying for him – because she’s going to miss him and, to be honest, even though I believe she meant that she would see him again, a part of her HAS to be afraid that she won’t. She’s only human – a part of her must be scared that he’s going to die. Anyway, the way Gold leaned into that kiss, the way he looked (even with his eyes closed, you could tell how much he longed for Belle and needed her), the way he only shook his head when she said that Bae would be proud of him……..he couldn’t talk. I thought that was so exquiste.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
I wonder how exactly everyone is supposed to get back to SB if it’s cloaked. I mean, Gold wasn’t expecting to return, but the others would………
My current head canon is JR plus a little bit of stolen pixie dust will fly them all back to SB.
Oh I like that, lol
@AngieBelle wrote:
I didn’t have any problems understanding why Rumple told Belle to stay- he believes he is going to his death and doesn’t want Belle to see that.
I think we saw lots of beautiful romantic moments between them in S2. Maybe not as much as we RumBellers would have liked, but it was definitely there.
I do wish there were more Belle adjusting to our world moments. That would have been so fun! Unfortunately, season 2 was so drama focused, the smaller lighthearted moments were glazed over- for every character.
I do think that the writers can’t keep holding fans’ hands and so they expect fans to have a little bit of understanding of the characters. At the time it aired, it didn’t occur to me that Gold didn’t want Belle to see him die; it just never entered my mind. All I could think of was that he was trying to control her life……. After reading many posts on Tumblr (and Adam’s tweets), I came to change my mind. Of course he would not want her to see him die a violent death and be haunted for the rest of her life by those images…………Though I think Belle would rather be with him, comforting him as he was dying, instead of far away.
We did see beautiful Rumbelle moments in S2, but I’m talking about romance, about being able to kiss and make love (whatever they can show us) because they are in love and they just need and want to. Their kisses are always fraught with something – there’s always something going on so that they can’t enjoy it.
We got:
1) The Broken kiss.
2) Library scene in the Croc
3) All of the Outsider
4) Gold’s hospital kiss in Brother
5) The phone call scene
5) The FinaleThese two touch a LOT – they have a desperate need to touch each other, to be physically close, and so the Outsider was particularly great for that. I happen to be a fan of their epic hugs, but I want a love scene – or at least the preliminaries.
Rumbelle scenes are always amazing because of Bobby and Emilie, but they are almost always tragic………
Gold would have had no way of knowing about Belle in FTL and her adventures, but he knew exactly how brave and bold she was, how devoted she was, in the Outsider. This is why I believe it was as much his episode as hers. For one, he always believed she was a hero, but here he saw that she risked her life for his son – his son that she’s never met. At the beginning, he said it was his journey to take a lone, but at the end, he truly wanted her to go with him. He said “here WE go”, not “here I go”………..Belle helped with the shawl and, lol for god’s sakes, he bent down to her. That moment……….wow.
I think Belle understood the implications of what Gold was saying (that he was going to his death, that he didn’t want her to see it), though I don’t think she really feels a need to constantly be protected. I can see her starting to chafe under his restraint……..he won’t let her be brave like she wants because he’s afraid for her.
I wonder how exactly everyone is supposed to get back to SB if it’s cloaked. I mean, Gold wasn’t expecting to return, but the others would………
@AngieBelle wrote:
Oh, I was initially very upset too! I was almost in tears at the goodbye scene not just because it was a sad scene but because I thought Belle was going to be forgotten. I keep watching the last two kiss scenes from the finale over and over. I love RumBelle together too.
I know. Those scenes in the finale were extraordinary……..I watch them all the time, over and over; there is just so much there to see, sigh.
I do think one reason so many fans are upset is that they didn’t make it clear why Gold decided Belle had to stay. In the show, ok, he left her with a spell…….but then A/E revealed in the podcast that he was trying to protect Belle and didn’t want her to see him die. Well why not at least make that clear in the episode? I realize it’s tricky because too much info could come across as exposition. I was pissed off at the time because I didn’t want Gold to decide Belle’s fate. She has the right to live her life and make her own decisions – and I felt that she could have been a huge asset in NL. Now they say that they are looking forward to the JR folks interacting – well that’s really why Belle isn’t there; she would have interfered with the relationship between enemies. So in the end, which is it? Gold just wanted to protect her without taking into account her feelings? He trusted her to take care of the town? They keep saying different things.
A/E talk a lot – and then don’t often deliver. Eddy said prior to S2 that he would be very disappointed if we didn’t get Rumbelle romance – and we didn’t. Adam sort of teased about Belle having a difficult adjustment to the modern world and then we never saw that.
I’ll try to be positive about what would come after a potential Rumbelle reunion because the alternative, being constantly frustrated, is NOT a good thing………
I think I’ll just keep watching the phone call, Lacey and finale scenes……….that will make me feel sort of better, lol
@RumplesGirl wrote:
@Betsypaige24 wrote:
I’m a Rumbelle fan, so I can’t apologize for wanting them to be together……
Oh, I’m with you. For several hours after the finale aired, I was so lived that I think I tried to hijack every thread created for the finale to talk about how angry I was. I’ve since decided that Belle on her own is going to be great because it will give fans who don’t like Belle (and there are many of them) because all she is is Rumple’s TL, a chance to see what we see. No one’s asking you to apologize. Rumbelle is my OTP, so I understand.
The thing is, I can’t worry about fans who don’t like Belle; that’s their issue. We shouldn’t have to have story just to please them.
I was livid as well after the finale – actually downright devastated and livid – and I had come to see the good in them being separated. Adam said on twitter just now that being hopeless would have meant Belle staying as Lacey. Yes, that’s one way, but when the two are constantly separated and they can never spend time together, never have moments together, never be happy – that’s another way. Yeah, A/E want drama, but how about a little balance? Do I really want to keep crying over this ship? Good lord, they are tragic – it’s exhausting shipping them. At some point, when do the fans get tired of watching the same thing over and over?
Again, I think fans just want balance…….Jane said you need the downs to appreciate the ups, but we never got any ups (2 minute burger scenes don’t count, lol)I won’t be like this all the time, I promise, lol. I have been very positive recently and maybe I’m just overtired…….Everything everyone has said makes sense and hopefully I can get back to this better place.
I think we should bear in mind a few things:
1) Rumbelle is written by several people, not just A and E.
2) You should trust A and E. They love Belle and love Emilie and love Rumbelle. This is about growing Belle’s character as more than Rumple’s girlfriend. You and I see her as more, but a huge portion of the fandom does not. A and E have given us great Rumbelle moments, and I expect we’ll get a lot more.True, but they are the co-creators and what they say, goes.
I love Adam generally; Eddy grates on my nerves with what he says…….but I do think they like Belle and they adore Emilie. No doubt. I think they like Rumbelle because if they didn’t, they couldn’t possibly have produced such exquisite story (though IMO, Rumbelle is 99% Bobby and Emilie). They have actually personally written some of the most wonderful Rumbelle scenes………I just don’t know that they want to write them in a relationship; I think they like having these two want each other and the only way they can do that is to separate them.
I just think it’s not enough to get moments with them. Their entire relationship has been a series of events. When will we get to see them together, facing things like Snowing does? They’ve not spent any significant time together…….I’m very skeptical. One thing also -where is the romance? It’s not like there’s a lot of Snowing romance either, but Rumbelle is a very passionate relationship. It was clear they should have kissed in the Outsider, but no – they refused to let them kiss to build up the drama into the finale. That’s annoying. A little of Bobby and Emilie goes a long way, so they don’t have to write scenes that can’t air, lol – just write the scene and let the two actors take it from there.
I’m a Rumbelle fan, so I can’t apologize for wanting them to be together……
I’m sure they’ll reunite at some point in S3, but how long that lasts remains to be seen since we’ve never seen them together for more than 5 minutes. I wish I trusted Adam/ Eddy to write this relationship, but since they are the only ones we have, I have no choice but to sit back and watch – either a train wreck or what it really should be, the most exquisite love story ever..
@RumplesGirl wrote:
@Betsypaige24 wrote:
She was always awesome with him, though I think also that this poor woman has suffered endlessly at the hands of Gold’s enemies. Adam and Eddy created Belle, who is a an amazing and unique character in many ways) and as we all know, they adore Emilie, personally and professionally. I’m sure Belle will have a lot to do
I agree she was always awesome with him, but a lot of people complain that Belle has no reason “to be” outside of her relationship with Rumple; that all she is is his TL and nothing more. That’s why many people don’t like Belle and don’t want her around more because she isn’t a character in her own right. Now, I disagree because I love her, but I’m biased. They do need to show Belle becoming her own person in SB by herself, not just as Rumple’s other half.
In terms of their story, we need to see these two enjoy being in love; there is so much the writers can do with them. It’s not enough to give them some brief reunion kiss and then start the angst all over again. I would love to see Belle be a bridge between father and son as well, so that could be part of their story, but they suck at balance. How are they going to balance out the need to show Gold/Bae and Rumbelle? With the writers, it’s all or nothing……
I think this will happen, actually. I think Belle will play a huge part in reuniting Bae and PapaRumple.
I sort of thought that some didn’t like Belle because she appeared to them to be goody two shoes, but frankly, I think she’s far more popular than not. The problem is, we saw an amazing Belle in SD and the Outsider, but then she lost herself for the rest of the season. Now I think in some ways we have to give the writers something of a pass because when they made Emilie a regular, it meant that Gold’s arc had to change tremendously. Yet, they still had to have him go to NY…….so I think, and they wouldn’t ever admit this, that that is why Belle was stuck in a hospital. They would have had to adjust a lot of their episodes to have Belle interact significantly with others while he was gone – hence the Charmings doing a crappy job of looking after her. They were too busy with Anton and things that had been plotted out before.
So now they know she’s a regular and they can create her own storyline – and that’s great. I just don’t know what they want to show of Rumbelle…….. They can tell us until the cows come home how much they love them, but stop telling us – show us (or don’t tell us – don’t get our hopes up). It’s one thing to have obstacles, it’s another to face an endless string of tragedies.
This off-camera stuff has to stop. I personally think Gold and Belle would dream of each other and frankly, because I think they are extraordinarily connected, I could see them dreaming of each other at the same time, waking up at the same time and calling out for each other. They need to show something like this because it’s just not Rumbelle for them not to be missing each other, needing each other – and it would be a complete waste of Bobby/Em’s chemistry to not have them work together at all for half the season.
I think Bae and Belle are connected already and I hope that Belle will be a bridge. She has been devoted to him for a long time; I believe she loves him already because he’s a part of the man she loves. I would love for them to bond. No matter how angry he is, deep down, Bae is that little boy who adores his papa. He hasn’t forgotten how much they loved each other – he just doesn’t want to think about it. He knows who his father was pre-curse and Belle is the only one who saw that in him as the DO. Bae does not know his father as an adult, he knows his father only as a boy knows his father; even though he was a mature kid, still there were things he could never know about how emotionally damaged his papa was, what the curse did to him beyond the obvious. These are things only an adult could understand – hence Belle truly understands Gold.
I’m hoping Neal will make his way to SB somehow, Belle will have a grand reunion with Phillip and Mulan, and Neal will realize rather quickly that the woman he heard his father make that phone call to is an exceptional woman. I want them to bond – he’ll love her, he can’t possibly not.
