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I agree with both of you. It’s very season one and I’ll add it’s one of the few plotlines that I’m enjoying so far.
[adrotate group="5"]My first (unpleasant) thought on learning WishHook has a daughter was Alice as well, but I much prefer the Rapunzel and/or 2nd step-sister ideas. Hey maybe Cinderella is his daughter. Judging by his actual age his daughter could be virtually anyone. She could even be Lady Tremaine herself! How’s that for a twist?
In any case I assume we’ll find out by the end of the season.
Magic Beans…they’re everywhere! I guess Tiny and the dwarves must’ve finally found a way to grow those things by the bushel because they are evidently cheap and easy to find now. And if they’re so easy to find and use now…why hasn’t anyone been in touch with Henry? It sounded like this was the first time they’d seen him in ‘many years’ yet he was only a bean-ride away all that time?
Henry and Rumple – One of my biggest gripes with Once is how they almost totally ignore the ties between Henry and Rumple. Even as an adult Henry is acting like Emma, Regina, Snow/Charming, and to a lesser extent Hook are his only family. As Baelfire said back in season 3 ‘family meant something to dear old dad’ so why do they write the show as if Rumple doesn’t give a hoot about Henry and vice versa?
About Hook and Milah – were they really true loves? I don’t think there was ever solid proof of that and let us not forget that most cringy of lines… “You lasted longer than I expected. If you’d fought me with such vigor back in the day, I might have returned your wife to you. Soiled…but returned” (Hook to Rumple in season 5, ‘Broken Heart’). Granted that’s just one quote from when Hook was The Dark One (for a hot minute) and I’m sure someone who really wanted to could compile a list of every time Hook has referenced Milah to try and figure out how he really felt about her…but really when was the last time this show was consistent anyway? My take on Hook and Milah at the moment is that they were both unhappy selfish humans who found kindred spirits in each other. Sort of a Rumple and Cora thing. That doesn’t mean he didn’t love her, but I think this ‘true love’ concept from Once seems like a higher less selfish love or something? Like Rumple would absolutely give his life for Baelfire and Belle (cause he did), Charming and Snow would give their lives for one another ect. …but would Hook? Would Milah? Has anyone ever really outlined what True Love really is in Once?
We have had Charming breaking Snow’s sleeping curse, Emma breaking the dark curse by kissing Henry, Belle (briefly) breaking Rumple’s curse… but we also had Hook’s dad being woken from a sleeping curse by the ‘true love’ of a stranger…. yeah that’s a thing that happened.
Regina and Henry – I love that Regina stays with Henry to help him on his quest. It makes total sense and it’s nice that something in this episode did.
Emma – she was basically wasted here. But that has been true for her in a lot of Once at this point. I hated her whole storyline in this episode. Not that there was that much there to begin with. Regina and Hook’s sad looks about Emma were nothing but death bait. But hey I guess pregnancy over forty can be dangerous. They could’ve at least made her 9 months pregnant or something where it would be reasonable to say she shouldn’t be jumping through magic bean holes right then.
(sigh) Wish Hook – OK so there are now two Regina’s living separate lives and two Hooks. Great. It’s not like there was a better choice to split, perhaps a delightfully quippy (and insane) little imp who might liven up some of these flashbacks perhaps? Kidding aside (if I was kidding) the ‘old rummy’ version of Hook was funny for a minute in the dream realm, but those double shots were painful to watch and this from someone who thought Emma’s wig looked just fine. The daughter subplot makes me worry that they’ll make Alice his missing daughter and ruin the fun of her being a Rumple or Jefferson descendant. I really hope this daughter is Rapunzel instead. The one good point in all of this is that now they have a real chance to reset Hook back to the fun version…and yet I sense they won’t. Captain Hook always worked best to me as a pirate. Not as a boyfriend or a husband or a father…but as a pirate. Dashing, flirty and nefarious, with an occasional good deed tossed in to keep him interesting.
By the way since saying Wish Realm wasn’t real at this point would be pointless, I’m adding the murders of Snow and Charming to Regina’s list. If WishHook and Wish Evil Queen were real alive people…so were the wish Charmings.
Overall this season is still a mess to me. The timelines are too vague. The characters ages are glossed over. Magic beans are growing on trees now. Would it really be so hard to put a firm date on things and say Henry met Cinderella five years after leaving home and to say Emma, Hook ect. aren’t any older because of magic whatsits and that Tiny’s bean-field had a bumper crop this year. Just the basics. And if Henry could at some point acknowledge and show some affection for his other grandpa and vice versa, I would truly appreciate it.
I’m still happy with new Henry though. Andrew J. West was a great casting choice and he is doing a fine job.
I’m sort of wondering if Alice is Jefferson’s/Mad Hatter’s daughter. It would even be a cool parallel that she’s working with Rumple the same way her father once did. Thoughts?
I really like the idea and it would fit what we’ve seen of her so far, but it’s been ages since we’ve seen Jefferson. Do Adam and Eddie even remember him at this point? If (new and better) Alice is Jefferson’s daughter than will they at any point mention his other daughter Grace?
Man there are just too many forgotten children on this show. If they’re going to have baby storylines I wish they’d do something with the actual child once it’s born rather than basically pretending it doesn’t exist. As for the age disparities they’re always running into…maybe Lucy (pre-curse somehow in Storybrook) was crawling around great-grandpa Rumple’s shop, she accidentally tips over a magic bottle and POOF…she’s ten. It could work.
I had a thought that maybe it was really Lady Tremaine who killed Cinderella’s father and she just told Cindy that it was the prince to keep Cindy from getting her happy ending and then she kills him before he can reveal the truth. That would explain a lot.
Loved
Alice! No matter who’s kid/grandkid/aunt/cousin/step-sister/wife/x-wife she turns out to be…she has me hooked already. She was easily the best part of this episode. She has a very Rumple vibe to her.
New Henry…it’s still weird to have a new actor, but I do buy this guy as Henry and even though I have some issues with the plot I think Henry felt genuine to his character.
Disliked
The opening scene…how can I believe that Regina Mills would just agree to let her son go off by himself (18 years old or not) to a random realm with nothing but an enchanted motorcycle and a leather jacket? To college sure. He could call home once a week from college. Let’s not even speculate as to why Emma wasn’t there. Barring a sleeping curse she would absolutely be there.
Hyperion Heights…I miss the sweet feel of a small town. It’s the difference between a cozy mystery and a hard-boiled type of mystery. I just don’t enjoy the setting. Shout out to all the mystery fans out there!
Roni’s bar – Why is she called Roni here again?
Rumple is bad again? ok so I don’t buy for a second that Rumplestiltskin has lost his memories to a curse. In all the curses we’ve seen he has been the one person too strong to fall for this nonsense, so why is he drowning a guy and then bragging about breaking his (or someone else’s) finger? I guess I’ll just go with him playing along with the curse until he finds the right moment to strike, but we all know the real reason is that the writers always need a 2nd villain to collude in some way with the big bad of the season and they usually make it Rumple because they can’t think of another way to write. If they’re going to continue to write him as a yo-yo villain I wish they’d write in some decent scenes to explain it all instead of being all ‘oh yeah he’s the Dark One sooo…that’s why’.
Cinderella…maybe I should’ve gone neutral here, but I realized that I really did not enjoy the changes to the Cindy story with her prince being evil (maybe he wasn’t evil. Maybe it was Lady Tremaine who killed Cindy’s dad and she killed the prince before he could deny being behind her dad’s death? That one I can believe). I also really disliked that Cindy was going to murder someone like that. especially if he wasn’t evil and it was Lady Tremaine behind it all. I’ve always thought that the ‘heroes don’t kill’ stuff was crap anyway. Charming killed Percival and nobody batted an eye. He and Snow have both killed in battle. I think ‘heroes lie’ would be a more accurate motto.
Lady Tremaine doesn’t exactly sing as a villain. I mean she’s mean for sure and killing the fairy was cold, but she just somehow lacks the menace of Regina somehow. Maybe it’s her disregard for magic that makes her feel toothless as a villain? Though she must’ve cast the dark curse at some point right? So she’s obviously not above using magic, she just doesn’t think it’s cool or something. Where’s is the second step-sister by the way? Did I miss a memo?
Phillipe…that is Maurice and Belle’s horse’s name. Not Cinderella’s. Thank you.
All things considered my expectations were fairly low coming into this episode so it wasn’t too bad by those standards. Oncers have certainly weathered worse. Alice made up for a lot of faults. I do think this re-boot plan was a poor one though. A final episode with Lucy showing up with all the season one parallels would’ve been fun, but a whole season feels a bit much to me. I’ve watched this story once before and with better actors and a richer setting.
I’m a bit late to the party, haven’t been paying the closest attention to Once lately I admit, but I would gladly participate in this poll. Two episodes seems fair enough to me for recurring. I agree that babies don’t count for much as characters since they have no lines, but I don’t care whether they’re on the list or not.
I’m not sure about the wish versions. True they are in a way characters on their own, but hjbau could be right that that could make the poll more about the regulars instead of the recurring characters. But I really don’t care either way. it’s your poll ry4christ so do whatever you want with the recurring guidelines.
I saw someone theorizing online that Alice is Belle and Rumple’s daughter and Rumple doesn’t remember her.
O_O That would certainly explain why Eddy was drawing a comparison between Rumple and Alice. I kept wondering what on Earth those two could have in common other than a similar penchant for being sneaky. The actress who plays Alice certainly looks like Emilie de Ravin, and Alice being their daugther would give Rumple a strong storyline as a father, and we know that is where Rumple tends to shine the most. As far the age of Alice goes, maybe she got sucked down a rabbit hole and grew up in an WL 2.0 where time ran differently.
I wouldn’t be mad at that storyline if they did it. I’m all for Belle and Rumple having a big happy family (or at least a decent storyline). It’s just too bad that the writers made their relationship so screwed up in 4, 5 and 6. It makes their happy beginning/happy ending feel somehow both rushed and long overdue at the same time.
I think it’s safe to say that Regina, like every other Once character, has been written in a very inconsistent manner. I think that her journey from villain to hero was rushed and mismanaged, possibly because the writers were facing some criticism at the time about adoptive parents being villains? I’ve heard that and I also heard at some point that Lana herself requested to be re-written as a hero? We may never know exactly why. At this point after six seasons of this great, but far too often frustrating show all I really know is that the Once writers are just bad at character consistency and development.
I’m sure I’ve said it before, but when I re-watched all the seasons last year I really did wonder why they didn’t pair up Regina and Hook. The sass level would’ve been amazing and I think their romance would’ve worked in a narrative way that neither Hook/Emma nor Regina/Robin ever did (from my perspective).
But it also has to be said that pairing them up now in season seven would be a mistake. That ship has sailed. Maybe in the fan re-written version.
