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As for EQ & Robin Hood living happily ever after…I’d say yeah, they lived happily ever after. How…I don’t know because in Wish Realm, King Henry and the guards are still hunting her down and Robin’s still an outlaw at large, so….I just like to think the best in this case. It would have been so much better, had Henry sent EQ into another parallel realm as her younger self meeting younger/pre outlaw Robin Hood at the Tavern and show Page 23 coming true, that would have been perfect.
I thought sending them to wish realm was silly for the same reasons. Perhaps we’re meant to think that Robin and EQ were sent to wish realm past, remember wish Robin was younger than he should have been (as was Nottingham) in the real enchanted forest so maybe he was sent back into his own timeline at about the time when Tinkerbell said he and Regina were meant to be together, but allowed to keep his memories of everything that had happened before. That way in theory Snow and Charming could still meet somehow even without EQ chasing them, Emma could still be born, she could still meet Bae somehow (but how?!!!!) and have Henry so that eventually the new kinder Regina, married to Robin Hood for forty years or so by then, could see her Henry again…albeit as his step-great grandmother.
I think this was also an answer to the misunderstanding by the producers of the reaction to real Robin’s death. This, also, doesn’t change any of that. Hook is still alive and Robin is still dead. Hook still came back and kissed Emma at Robin’s grave. Hook was still special deus ex machina brought back to life by god for no reason at all, he did not deserve it in any way, whereas Robin was special extra strength killed so that he could not be saved even though he died saving Regina and helping get rid of Hades. That is all still true and all still hated and all still a mess and nothing about this storyline about fake wish Robin changes any of that.
I agree with all of this. Bringing back a different version of Robin doesn’t change what happened or make the recent storylines more palatable.
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Um, not much really. I think this may be the first Rumple flashback I’ve actively disliked.Murky
I’m not enthralled by the Gideon story. I did sort of like that Rumple took on more darkness (again at this point why not) to keep his son from doing it. But in general this isn’t working for me that well.Disliked
I continue to be uninterested in Wish Robin and Regina in general.Hook should just put on his big boy pants and tell Emma the truth. She’ll forgive him and forget all about it in two days. The whole family is ridiculously forgetful about all the bad things their friends do.
The retcon of Baelfire does not work. It was utterly out of character for him to force his father to kill someone, even a scummy guy like Beowulf.
I thought the story more or less fit Rumple’s character, but not Baelfire’s. There was a basic goodness still underlying him even after he took on the dark curse and I can see him trying to abstain from magic to please Bae, but having Bae turn like that didn’t feel right to me. I could see Bae killing to save his father as a last resort, but not with using the dagger like that and I find it hard to believe that’s he’d suddenly fall in love with magic afterwards. The story was basically just trying to merge Baelfire and Gideon into the same character so they could parallel the stories even more than they already have.
Bae was a brave boy raised by a loving if weak father.
Gideon is a weak boy raised by an evil fairy.If Gideon is truly like anyone; he’s like his father, not his late brother.
I agree it’s either very good or very bad. I’m leaning toward the good based entirely on the scene last week between Rumple and papa charming where he says ‘may we all someday be re-united with our sons’. That scene makes me feel like they’re going for good 1st season Rumple where he’s a highly complex character with good traits, bad traits and a curse and not a bland black hat with no complexity (at least none that we really see onscreen).
LOVED
Practically everything from the flashback. The Charming Family backstory fit in very well with what we already knew. Robert Charming (for lack of a better last name) being a weak man, who gave into temptation to save his son and then regretted it afterwards paralleled nicely with the Rumplestiltskin backstory and made for a lovely moment where Rumple was allowed to show some humanity peeking out from under his darkness.Hook and Charming making a potion was hilarious.
LIKED
Hook killing Robert at the end, because it surprised me. I went into this thinking they were going to make us all think Hook killed Charming’s father and then reveal that it was just King George all along. So basically I liked it because it surprised me. Too bad we all know the characters won’t even remember this happened in six episodes or so.I also liked that now we know which pages August removed from the book.
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All the Robin and Regina stuff. Look I hated that they killed Robin Hood off in such a brutal pointless way, but they did not need to bring him back and frankly I never really enjoyed any of the storylines they gave him. That Zelena scene was completely unnecessary as well.I am wondering about that heart vault as well. If Regina really is reformed shouldn’t she at least try to return some of those hearts in between bouts of complaining about the unfairness of her life?
Yup. This should change everything, but it won’t. There might be a temporary blow up when the story finally comes out (if it comes out) but by the end of the season they’ll forget all about Hook murdering Emma’s grandfather, the same way they’ve forgotten that Regina murdered her other grandfather (and her grandmother!). Yikes what a family.
I thought this was a nice moment as well. It’s nice that every once in a while the show remembers that Rumple was also a father who had lost his son and was desperate to find him again.
Can we just talk about how messed up Henry’s family is?
There’s 2 more things; Rumple has killed at least 20 people and Pan has a killed at least one person. Now Henry’s uncle wants to kill his mom.It might interest you that a friend and I have been re-watching the show and specifically trying to count how many people get killed by each major character and with I believe 11 episodes yet to be re-watched Rumple is only up to 15 kills and 10 of them were in season 1!
Zoso
Milah
Onora (The Mute Maid)
The Medicine Man (baby contract dude)
Gaston
Cinderella’s Fairy Godmother
Tamara
Peter Pan/Malcolm
Himself (yes this counts)
Misc. soldiers/badguys 5
Peasants 1Definitely not a list to bring up at Thanksgiving dinner!
So, I missed the start, so this is a bit skewed/truncated
Liked: I think OUAT is at its best when it is unapologetically structuralist, with big, mythic themes that are then explored through the characters and their relationships to each other both as specific characters, and as avatars of certain archetypes. There was something of this in this episode. By making Gideon and Emma total, almost mythical antagonists, the kinship tree clicks into place, such that Snowing and Rumbelle also become mirror images of each other — as I think the show hints at from the beginning, whereby if Snowing is the couple that, by its very nature, always finds each other, Rumbelle is the couple that always loses each other (which also explains somewhat why they’re such a stable pair despite the clear dysfunctions). It also highlights the potential parallels between Emma and Gideon, which also makes them sort of mirror images of one another.I hadn’t thought about it before, but I think you’ve really got this one nailed with the mirror image families. Perhaps Henry as the product of dark and light can help? …sorry I just laughed when I read that last bit.
Liked
August being back with a real role to play. I didn’t mind the Swan stuff.Rumple and Belle talking to each other sounded more like their real selves (if that makes sense) instead of the near constant yelling we’ve had for the last two seasons which mostly feels weird. But so does most of the Rumple story for the last couple of years… he’s evil incarnate! – he’s a vulnerable sweetie! – he’s evil! – he’s vulnerable! – his heart is pure! – he’s the darkest Dark One ever! ect.
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It doesn’t make sense that you’d get the Savior powers through murder. That’s really more of a dark thing. I hope we find out that it doesn’t work that way and that Gideon is just confused (or been lied too/manipulated by The Black Fairy).Disliked
Charming and Hook being so quick to want to kill Gideon even after they knew who he was. I know the Once ‘heroes’ are tarnished at best, but can’t they act heroic once and a while? Isn’t killing anyone who angers or threatens them more of a villain move? This reminds me of Camelot when Charming killed that knight (Percival?) without a second thought, even though WE knew (can’t remember what he knew) that Percival was just doing the traditional heroic thing and trying to kill the villain. No matter how they paint her now Regina was a villain and her being a softer person now doesn’t bring back all the hundreds of people she killed. To put it in more modern terms a serial killer could change their life and want to make up for what they’ve done, but that doesn’t mean the justice system will just give them a hug and tell all the victims families that they can’t possibly still expect them to lock up such a changed person. I mean I love Rumple and he’s my favorite character, but I don’t really expect his life to turn into roses and ice cream if he really turns good someday either.The wardrobe plot device was a little forced – how did August carve it so fast? I get that this is a different tree but it’s still weird that it’s bigger and it can take three back instead of just the two. And again how did he carve it so fast?!
Robin being back. How is this a thing that has happened? And why do none of these stupid ways to bring dead people back ever happen to Neil? I did enjoy the father/son chat between Rumple and Gideon, but it does feel excruciatingly like they are trying to recreate the Baelfire story that they should never have killed off in the first place by basically replacing him with Gideon.
Robin and Regina escaped from RUMPLESTILTSKIN… with a nail? That doesn’t make sense? He’s The Dark One Dearie! Surely he’d have noticed his flay-cell was empty in time to poof his way over to August’s workshop and quip up a storm.
