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Saw online, someone saying that they saw a interview, where they say that they were happy that the death was unexpected and a surprise, and no one knew who was and in which episode, I mean really? Everyone knew since day 1 who was it and in which episode, helped by paps, fans, crew, cast and ginny countdown pics with everyone dress in black, and no Neal. And everyone tweeting to Adam hate about it.
Looking back at it now, those BTS pics from Josh…man. He needed to choose some different ones. Like WOW. And yes. I was surprised about the way in which they killed him and how quickly, but the hope that it was anyone but Neal was fleeting at the filming pics were coming in.
I’m glad they think they fooled everyone, but no, not really.
Lets not forget those jersey bts pics at the cemetery, the fact they let someone strange on the set on the day they were filming the funeral says a lot about prodution and what they fell about neal importance on the show, like he was simply a guest part in the whole story.
[adrotate group="5"]So dont know if i laugh, cry or scream, You all know my opinions about what i think of Adam and Eddie, but now i have to say i`m worried and concern about them.
Saw online, someone saying that they saw a interview, where they say that they were happy that the death was unexpected and a surprise, and no one knew who was and in which episode, I mean really? Everyone knew since day 1 who was it and in which episode, helped by paps, fans, crew, cast and ginny countdown pics with everyone dress in black, and no Neal. And everyone tweeting to Adam hate about it.
I seriously think they need help, bc they are not ok.
That is something i dont understand, so that means that if charming or snow died they would have another true love to get their second chance at true love? I guess my understood of disney movies and fairytale stories is wrong, because in my mind you can always only have one true love, in romatic version, not talking about parents true love for their children, or i guess that their understood of true love is diferent from mine, in theirs is like a production line in a factory, like on product is damage , no biggie you will get another one to replace the other.
Well it just seems kinda odd to me that if your true love dies, then are you supposed to stay alone for the rest of your life, because you had one chance and one chance only? In a lifetime? I think that if Emma finds love again with someone else, that doesn’t have to mean that what she had with Neal wasn’t true love. I mean why does it have to be a replacement? Why can’t it be equally powerful? And your understanding isn’t wrong. It’s merely not the same as mine. People can have different opinions about something. Love is very subjective and everyone can feel differently about it.
Im not saying people can not love again, what im saying, is the definition, bc if you have one true love and dies, you can find another person to love, but cannot simply call it again true love, because if they have that notion with snow and charming they have to apply to all couples.
You can love many people in your live, but have only one true love, that whitout that person will never be the same, be complete. One example, Rumple, im sure he love Milah, Cora and Belle, but the true love kiss worked with belle, that means that they share a bond more profund and pure than the ones he shared with Milah and Cora. What im saying is that the notion of TRUE LOVE means something biger than just a normal love, and that is why in my opinion, True love only exist one, all the others you can still love them, but not that on that mighty level that true love means, and im talking in fairy tale context. I guess im just romantic.
I thought the idea was you can only have one true love at a time? So, Daniel was Regina’s TL. He’s gone, so RH (who already had his own TL, with Marian,) is her second chance at TL.
Oh I could’ve sworn that Rumpelstiltskin said it to someone once. That you can have only one true love. I could be remembering his words wrong, but I don’t think he specified that it should be one at a time. Overall I’m always very fuzzy about the “rules” of love/true love in the OUAT universe.
That is something i dont understand, so that means that if charming or snow died they would have another true love to get their second chance at true love?
I guess my understood of disney movies and fairytale stories is wrong, because in my mind you can always only have one true love, in romatic version, not talking about parents true love for their children, or i guess that their understood of true love is diferent from mine, in theirs is like a production line in a factory, like one product is damage , no biggie you will get another one to replace the other.
Because if ouat writers decide to go with this, can they say that emma and hook( if Cs happens) are each other true love after losinf the 1st ones? And if hook or emma would die, what would they do find another and say that was his or her 3rd chance of TL?
The pendant shouldn’t have survived. It wasn’t from the EF. It SHOULD NOT have gone back with Neal. But IT DID. It was in his pocket the whole time, it went with him when they left SB. It survived when it should not have. I don’t particularly care what anyone else says. That’s true love.
I agree with that RG, im just stating what excuse they may use, i guess i just dont believe they respect anything about SF, and just choose the easy way to end it, is like we always thought that Daniel was regina true love, but on 303 we found out it wasnt, they even said that emma was a lot like regina in S1, so i guess i see them using that parallel of having emma finding someone else and say that he is emma true love and that neal was just love, although i must say that even if adam would say it and confirm true love, is not like something would change, like i say, after the show end, maybe i will give a try, if they surprise me with SF, if not i guess the blurays will continue hide.
so they are all ready retracting on the true love statement isn’t that just beautiful. Really don’t make statements like that if you to scared to stand by them.
Like i said, for me when Adam says was belle talking with her heart, he didnt confirm it oficial, yeah was bc neal and emma were true loves, he made sure that there was a loophole for them to use , they can even say was bc of Neal love for Emma that the necklace survived, not bc they were true loves, maybe im wrong, and i hope i am, the thing is i dont trust them anymore and that is sad.
I mean is twiter is not live interviews, although i would love to find out what they are going to say live at wondercon, but going on, online they can avoid to answer this questions, once again if this was decided between, season, and i think we all agree that wasnt, i would prefer for them to have said on comic con, or in januaray when they released the dead, that would be Michael, that way all the especulation would have calm down , more or less by now, but he keeps giving hope to Sfers, and Neal fans, and even now with this thing of we love Michael, we want to write for him again, he is an amazing actor, we want him back for Fb, we may even see him this season who knows, or to the quaestion Was neal that sent the message to hook, their answer was , who knows , in this show everything is possible, well everything, except for the good ones have their happy ending, with all this i see them playing aroung with us, to the point of being rude, because i can say this, if after all they come and say well surprise, we will bring neal back, are you happy? I would tweet to Adam even though i unfollow and blocked him, and he would receive from me something that i cannot say here, bc that besides lying to the media, putting some, almost none actors, because still no one came to talk about this, wonder if any of them will tweet today or from now on, with fear of having to answer any Neal questions, and mostly he would have been playing with neal fans.
I wont see it again, now if they show that this death was all a play to make Emma like trying to break magic laws , like change the past to get to neal, maybe after the show finale and if they end changing magic laws, and they make like MRJ appearing to show that Sf was end game, but just maybe , bc i dont see them doing this, but of course this is just my opinion
Good Morning
Is still good to see many of you with hope, that shows what SF is all about.And the reason why i love coming here.
I think Adam tweets are the way they are to make people believe that there is a possibility that they will bring neal back if not this season maybe the next, but i dont think so, i guess i decided not to give Adam a second chance, especially with so many rumours, that we all know now that are probably true, becuase this show is the most predicable thing, paps know all the spoilers and even take pics with the cast and are allowed to take pic of sets( my suggestion, bring the show to film in LA and you will be in a control set to avoid spoilers), crew menbers that tweet and say spoilers to random persons on set seing the filming( talking about some SQ scenes coming, huge CS kiss coming on 320, jen not hiding her happiness with CS, even to the point of saying to a CSer on twiter to hold it , giving the feeling of many cs scenes coming) so i see them reverse everything and is because of that, we didnt saw a TLK, in fact Emma and Neal acted like they were just old friends, totally diferent from the way they used to act around themselfs on NVL.
Even adam yesterday said to a twiter that the necklace thing was just Belle giving her opinion based on her heart, so they are already taking back the true love thing.
Can i say also how is it that no one on ABC comes and say to adam for him to shut up, bc he is giving bad publicity to the show? He says one thing and does other, he lies to the fans and is even rude to them, i mean im no PR but this is not normal.
For you seing the show today, i give you a stand applaus, im your fan, and im sure that today will be hard, not only bc of the thing, but im almost betting that after zelena stops the wake, they will no longer remenber neal.
This article was from TV line:
HONORABLE MENTION | Michael Raymond-James hadn’t had much to do in the first episodes of Once Upon a Time Season 3B, but quality outweighed quantity when it came time for MIA Neal to resurface in Storybrooke and make the ultimate sacrifice. Having been “trapped” inside his father’s body after reviving The Dark One back in FTL, Neal implored Emma to use her magic to pull him back out, knowing that, yes, it would seal his fate, but if Rumple was able to identity the Wicked Witch, everyone else — son Henry included — would have a chance at happiness. Working opposite an equally terrific Jennifer Morrison and Robert Carlyle, Raymond-James displayed a heroic selflessness, as Neal used his final breaths to not lament his mortality but wish that Henry remember him well, thank his once-estranged father for teaching him the value of a true sacrifice and encourage Emma to “find Tallahassee, even it it’s without me.” Raymond-James’ stirring swan song reminded us of what Once had, and now has lost.
Is just me or there is a critic to the show by what they did to Neal? strange coming from tv line.
Morning guys! @RG Listened to the podcast last night and I wanted to tip my hat off to you. You made a wonderful stance on behalf of all Neal fans out there. I just wanted to thank you. It sounded a bit tough to debate about, and it’s understandable that people don’t have the same view, but I think you made you’re points beautifully. And I think it’s hard to dispute even from non-Neal fans, looking at the overall story, that this episode was a botched job to Neal’s character no matter how many excuses you make for it. The writers have the power to write it as they wish but there should be some consistency for the characters they write. They chose to vilify Neal in his last hour and then suddenly become the “Hero” in death which is pretty insulting since he was a hero all his life. Also trying to write a post for my tumblr page. Its pretty much the same as what was said over and over but I also wanted to make this point:
What still makes me bitter about Neal’s death is that they’ve stripped away the potential to evolve the other main characters in a different way then what we’ve seen already and actually deal with all the baggage that they’ve left hanging out in the open. Ever since season 1, all the characters interaction and Rumple’s manipulations was for the purpose of finding Baelfire. He was the central figure in which the story evolved and grew from. They could’ve devoted 1 or 2 episodes (which is hardly many considering all the needless Regina/Charming flashbacks that ate up screen time), to fleshing out Neal’s character in his own right. I’ve seen a lot of comments on how people that weren’t Neal fans, finally connected with his character even in a small way. WHY? Because “Quiet Minds” was an episode that was pretty much devoted to HIS character, HIS personal dilemmas, HIS thoughts and conflicting emotions, HIS story with very little extension of Rumple’s internal struggle. It was HIS OWN episode. They could have developed a more realistic relationship like Swanfire that is an abstract from the usual cookie cutter fairy-tale story of boy meets girl, boy falls in love with girl, THE END, scenario. And show the messy parts in-between, portraying a REAL relationship, the struggles, the hardships, and the forgiveness. Neal could bring more out of Rumple then just being the Dark One. Their interactions were what made Rumple so three dimensional, because of the love for his son and his struggle on the dark side. Also Belle finally had a strong bond with another character other than Rumple, since the writers seem unwilling to let Belle have any other meaningful interaction besides the Stilskin family. Neal’s character could have also helped Hook’s character develop and grow into a more interesting individual other than just a love interest for Emma. They could’ve explored Henry’s thoughts on having a father besides his moms and a whole perspective to what it means to be a father on this show. (Mostly they’ve only dealt with moms, besides Rumple’s relationship with Bae and Charming’s latest thoughts on fatherhood) Not only did they waste Neal’s character, they wasted helping other characters grow and evolve differently. What does Neal’s death really bring to the show? Not much that I’ve seen. Other than an end to the shipping wars. We’ve already explored what happens to the other characters resulting in Neal’s death from 3A. So it becomes repetitive. Hook is still going to be Emma’s love interest, nothing more. Emma is still cynical about happy endings and love. Rumple’s back to square one in losing his son. Belle just lost her connection for more personal interaction and growth and will probably recede back into the background again. Henry lost the opportunity to explore his feelings on having an actual father in his life and it will go back to just being about Regina and Emma again. Neal’s death may bring them closer to stopping the Wicked Witch but they were already actively seeking to defeat her anyway, so not much impact on that front. Instead I predict more plot devices and “shocking” twists that turns out not to be shocking at all. They’ve pretty much shot themselves in the foot for destroying any natural growth of the character’s internal struggles and continue to focus on external repetitive plots, because Neal was and will always be the original reason for why they all came to be who they are now. He was the original reason on why the show started in the first place.Hello Everyone
Totally agree with you, and this is what makes me more angry about the epi, besides crap writing, that Adam and Eddie were not even able to write themselfs, instead they gave the epi to the writer that simply writes things with no sense, talking about that taser thing against wood, but move on.
The thing is they put everything all ships wanted, mixed and cocktail with it, there was Rumbelle, SwanQueen( with emma worry about regina), CaptainSwan, CaptainFire, Snowing, OutlawQueen and SwanFire, and besides a terrible dead, even if was planned sometime, i dont believe, i really think this was a last minute solution for actor asking out, they should have said, we let you go but only on the 322, until then we will develop the story and kill you on the end, but no they wanted to get rid of the character as soon as possible, they made the most stupid thing that was putting Hook calling Neal a Villain, i mean, really? so Hook can do terrible things( including using dark magic, remenber Aurora heart) and no one calls him a villain, and then he goes and simply make the fan service by calling what many neal haters call him, a villain.
I know that many people will not see, but the thing is they say from now on everything will be OC to all characters, for me i would prefer for Emma to end alone with Henry and her family, that would be in character, but with so many fan service, probably wont happen, and they will give us a solution like, for Neal, Emma was his true love, but for her he was simply his son father and 1st love, but never true love.
Still didnt listed to the podcast, i guess, i dont want to hear anything about this yet, even videos and FF, seems fake now, like the feeling i have for the show, i talked that with @rainbow, although the show lost the magic to me and is becoming very easy to abstain myself from it, i still have the connection with the people that i meet while seeing the show, that was something that MRJ, NEAL and SF gave me, and that A/E wont be able to take from me, so i guess i only came here bc you are all great people, and the same goes to FB group , and even to Twiter and tumblr, since i made them mostly bc of the show.
