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Morning RG, well im starting to see that the more you think in crap theories more you have the chance to be right, i mean the merging thing, still would like to know how this crossed their minds, was on a theory some girl posted on the tumblr, back then everyone thought she was crazy and that wouldnt make any sense, well she was right.
Or that theories that we used to have how neal was inside hook body, like pan was on henry, and they came and make merging, without even explaining how that thing is even possible.
I have a theory, that involves the big villain for season finale, that i think will be S4, and involves, Olav , sven, Minions, Nemo, Dory,Timon and Pumba, Chicken little, aliens, regina apples, buzz light, barbie, walle, the truck from cars, i will be abble to put them all in a theory that will be reveal at the end.
[adrotate group="5"]I`ve been trying to decode the NVL poster lines, and how i think they all relate to the second part of the season, since i didnt saw any of them applied to NVL, so im trying to see if this even is important or not, or they simply decided to post some lines and get this done. What do you think?
Henry: “Believe in the impossible”
Emma: ” Believe a lost girl can find her way home”
Snow:” Believe that hope is the strongest magic of all”
Hook: “Believe a pirate can be a hero”
Regina:”Believe that a mother`s love is stronger than her dark heart”
Charming: “Believe that a prince will always save his family”
Belle:” Believe that strenght can come from the most unexpleted places”
Rumple:”Believe that you can change fate”
Neal: “Believe in second chances”
Being Neal the most perturbing of all them. Like i said, i cannot see them applied to NVC arc, and cannot see where they fit on the great scheme of things, especially with neal death.
I think is amazing that you are starting to have some hope, but i dont have it, and is bc i dont think that they would do all this publicity about regular leaving the show, if wasnt true,( they can be lying true, i don trust them anymore, and still dont understand how are people that still aski him questions and hopes for a true answer)bc they could have kept quiet about it like with Rumple and RC, but no all of them writers, media came to say that was true, and to show that they will give us the funeral for some sort of closure and say see he is really dead, he is going to be buried in a coffin, 6 feet under( guess they can do a preservation spell, but who would do it?also even rumple accepted his son sacrifice, bc was my understand of the scene in the cage) alienate like i would say the majority of SF and Neal fans to the point of them stop seeing, and with the agravate mode of the casual viewer also stop seeing, put their reputation( not that i think they care about that), the actor( although MRJ didnt had any interview all defenitive interviews are from adam and eddie) for them to say, “Surprise” we will bring him back, that is putting to the risk to high for the show.
Of course like i said here they can always bring dylan as Bae and then of S4 if is the final season of the show, they able to revert to neal and this way MRJ making a participation, but also that would be very stupid.
Now back to the Wonderland, i dont know if i laugh, cry, get mad or scream, bc they are open loopholes on their other show that is going to be hard to explain how they cannot use it also on the mother show, the is not her time, well i guess wasnt neal also, bc he didnt saw his son grow, and i will stop talking about this parallels, bc is something that makes me wonder if they actually know waht they are doing on the main show and on the spin off.
They reason they use for neal death was, life for life, sure they can make of of those crazy things , like the merger, and revert this, and then the use of dark magic, i think someone should send a copy of past seasons to adam, or make an appointment at a doctor, bc he needs help, did he forgot that all cast, even henry( although with pan body inside him, dam this family has a thing with mergers) used dark magic, hook use it to take aurora heart, robin use it with the wand, the farest of them all use it, god knows what sort of deal aurora and mulan had to make to bring back philipp, the deals that charming did with rumple on the past, even belle, when she was lacey, by wanting to see dark rumple, emma that accepts that regina takes a child heart, and other things that would make this to big. And then of the sneak peak they make canon that in reality zelena was the responsable,( bc although they may know that a price would be paid, im sure if they knew was life for life, neither would have gone to the vault, of course they were 2 Oc to think about it or even research, bc neal wouldnt make all that so that he would find out, you will never see your son again), making this sound that neal used dark magic not bc h turned dark but bc he was cheated into, so there for erasing 315 epi, so they erase the whole show on 315 and after on 316 erase the 315 epi, Bravo, someone give this people awards bc they sure deserve it, thsi writing is simply the best of the best.
Now the interviews, can i say, someone stop thme of talking, bc everytime they speak some junk cames out, so in january was the actor wont come back even for FB, their words not mine, now is MRJ is a great actor, we love working with him, hope to work again, he want him back to Fb and possible even on this season, i say, “WHAT?”, so they invented this whole merger thing, making EF past fb impossible bc neal was inside rumple body and then say , to the question on the past LH that is possible that neal was the one sending the message, bc acording to them everything is possible on this show, Oh yeah, so maybe even bringing the dead from the dead, ( nope sorry, we can bring every other cast but not neal, for neal dead is dead), and then waht pissed me of more was the dead question, in the 1st part Eddie is like saying why should emma be crying , her happy ending was neal, she will move on and forget about him, to the 2 part of that anwser, where he says we didnt robbed the happy ending to anyone, really????? so you robbed neal
s life from him, henrys father and rumples son, unless they are hinting that also in a OC way hnery will forget about a father that he meet for like 1 week, maybe less, bc was not henry happy ending to end with neal, and then making rumple realise that after all belle was his happy ending, bc he in fact losted his son centuries ago, so is like he can live without him any way.And lets not forget the twiter, his dead was tragic, he deserved a happy ending, really? wasnt you that wrote it ?bc to me that sounded a lot, if was up to me he would be happy.To end this, sorry is good to vent, in a place we all feel the same, im starting think that something huge happened BTS, i mean is not normal that any of the regular cast comes to say something , even if this is all a joke bc they will bring him back, they needed to hide it better, by come in say something, but no, is like nothing happened, and then the fact that the actor had to come explain himself to the point of talking about crazy rumours that can destroy his carer by give him bad publicity, only for adam to talk after, makes me think that something big happened, and ouat family is not such happy family as they say and try to pass .
I dont think that they will bring him back, but they can alwasy reset something and bring bae as young kid to give rumple a new chance, like they did with august, and by this bring mrj to fb like they said( although if he is smart, hope he stays again from them) but i dont know, of course if the minds of someone that thinks in merging bodys like a good way to avoid dying who knows. Also WR was saying on chat that maybe Zelena will be redeem, i hope not, i think she will die at rumple hands, bc i saw the sp just for seing and once again didnt triger anything, but she clearly says that she is responsable for neal death, so i expect to see tamara 2.0, although they could make everyone oc and simply accept her in the family.
@Slurpeez108: I’m actually really confused about all of that: 1) Neal remembers sending a message to Hook to get Emma? 2) But Neal doesn’t remember the last year in the EF or that he and Rumple have merged. So…bad writing?
We saw how Neal and Rumple initially became became conjoined in the Enchanted Forest. That was probably early on in the missing year before the events of SB. Rumple preserved Neal’s consciousness in himself. Two souls in one body. I think Neal couldn’t remember anything about being conjoined in Rumple’s body or how he got to SB because he’d been sharing a body with his father. So when Rumple was awake, Neal was asleep. When Neal was awake, Rumple was asleep. But that doesn’t mean Neal couldn’t remember anything about the missing year. Neal/Rumple may have not been cursed by Zelena, because Rumple was fully aware who Zelena was. It’s possible that Neal could’ve escaped the curse too, and so his memories of the missing year were partially in tact. Yet, Neal’s memories may have been clouded by sharing a mind with his dad, much like Rumple was a bit mad from all the voices. Neal may have even emerged during the missing year to send a message to Hook to get to Emma. Neal/Rumple was aware the Zelena was about to unleash a powerful curse that would endanger Emma’s family. Hence, Neal/Rumple might’ve escaped long enough to elude Zelena while still in the EF. Zelena couldn’t fully control Rumple as long as Neal was sharing his father’s body. The first time Neal emerged in SB was the day that Rumple went missing. That means that Neal’s awareness switched on the day he burst into Mr. Gold’s shop and Rumple went to sleep. Later, in the woods, we saw how Neal and Mr. Gold’s faces were competing to emerge. Two souls trapped in one body. That is when Neal asked Emma to release him so that his father’s mind could be at peace and identify the Wicked Witch as Zelena. All the voices in Rumple’s head that wouldn’t be silenced until Neal was dead.
That was a thing i never understood, so the vault request a life for a life, so that means that neal is inside the vault where rumple was? and about his body, to merge the body has to be like a shadow of the real body, like the body is nor exactly there, but inside the vault, bc if was souls that means that the true body was in the EF? and what about malcom, we dint saw his body also on SB 311, he went with rumple to the vault? also if they share souls can this means that rumple will remenber some of neal memories? so many questions, see this is why they could make this for some epi so that we could understand, how two physical bodys can merg into one, my understanding of this is that neal body became a shadow copy( and using vampire diaries code name doupleganger) of the real one, that was left behind on Ef of on the vault, i dont understand anything of this.
Maybe any of you can explain this better to me.
I was talking to someone that at the beginnig said wont see again, but now is saying that until the season ends she will see, then she will decide.
I cannot believe i going to say this, but Bravo writers and ABC, they gave us the weak episodes before the death and the strong ones after, bc they knew people would have the reaction they had, but also that people would want to see the strong ones, from the Zelena story, follow by a Hook centric, for a cora episode, and then almost all end episodes, they were clever, i have to say, totally brainwash, in order for people to forget neal and his death.
Sorry to know about that heather, hope everything works out ok.
Well luna im with you on that, not that me viewing will make the ratings lower, but i see many other people saying that, i just hope that the ratings dont go up, i dont want to know that they think people were happy with neal dead so they return to the show bc now is more interesting.
But you know what, i unfollowed everyone at the twiter, tumblr and fb related to ouat, i only came here bc you are all nice people, and the same to the fb group page , but i must say i feel free, im no longer craving for spoilers, now i only laugh at them, bc the more i see the more i think they lost the way. I dont believe that MRJ will comeback , i think this death happened bc he asked out, and you know what i think he did good, do i see them trying to aranje this, maybe,in a strange no explanation reset to bring young bae and use dylan, without having mrj, they even in worst case scenarion if they used this crazy idea make him have his memories as neal, and like this we would have the neal FB reason, bc i dont see any reason to bring neal to fb , he doesnt have connection to anyone else ,why not they did that think of merging that for me was like what?
but i do feel free, now im only angry, but the adiction some how lost is way, in fact since 312, with almost no neal i just thought the show was boring, and just wanted to foward, bc the voices of the actors even make me say Ew, so with no neal im free, and you know what im much more happy now, calm and accepted. To the people that still believe they may be lying, hope you wont get crush and will be worst next time. I know someone that says that believe that mRJ will be on the credit until the end of the season bc they will talk about him and will try to bring him back and that will be the story line for s4, i dont think so, and i feel that she will be very crush after this.
Adam’s tweet about how Neal really did deserve a happy ending made me rage. YOU WERE WRITING HIM ONE. Why did you stop!? This whole thing just reeks of network or media interference to me and I’m sorry to say that (makes me sound cynical) but seriously, this has been almost like a different show since it came back from hiatus. It started off great and has been slowly going WTH ever since The Tower. It’s like they took everything from S3A and erased it so they can do S3B. That’s not the way ONE WHOLE SEASON works on TV guys. At least with seasons 1 & 2, the stories built on top of each other but this year has been one giant mess of weirdness at times. Networks are so desperate for ratings these days and my current theory as to what happened here is that they saw what was going on in the media and with the fans, then ABC stuck their noses in and told them what they needed to do to their show in order to secure a fourth season, so they caved in to all the pressure and got rid of ‘the problem’ (aka, Neal’s whole presence on the show). This is NOT the story they were writing just a few months ago in NL. There is SUCH a difference in between how the cast was on Twitter and in articles prior to this arc and how they all are now. Part of me seriously wonders if they were told of this new show direction and aren’t happy with it (hence the severe lack of tweets in the last week…silent protest) and part of me wonders if they’ve just lost their own spark for the show after almost three years and just don’t care that much anymore. It’s so odd but I can’t shake the feeling that SOMETHING has happened behind the scenes of this show that has totally tanked everyone and changed them from the wonderful fan friendly cast that they always were to this more quiet, subdued cast that doesn’t interact much anymore. I also wonder if the hatred and vitriol in the fandom has finally worn most of them down. The most active tweeters now are the more newish members and when the others are tweeting, they aren’t saying much about the show anymore. I don’t know. Maybe I’m reaching and still annoyed by how everything went down with Neal’s episode but something just isn’t right out there and I can’t put my finger on it. No way will MRJ or anyone else say anything though because I do believe they all have enough class to not bring the show down by airing any dirty laundry, but I can’t help wondering if things are going to hit the fan during the summer hiatus and we found out some interesting stories. BTW-My week improved in one way (Elizabeth Mitchell’s character was NOT the death on Revolution last night. WOO HOO!) but didn’t in another (my Reds game last night was rain delayed SO long that we ended up having to leave early and then my favorite player on the team hit is 1000th hit in his first at bat so I MISSED IT. BOO HOO) so I’m still waiting for the good karma and vibes to come back this week. It’s been an emotionally draining one for me and I’m kind of glad I’m going out of town this weekend. I think it will allow me some time to recharge and finally exhale after what’s been a very long week.
To this i applaud, this is waht i think too, for example, the bowl of soup bt cast last year, and the diference btw cast this year, they dont talk and joke anymore with each other, also on 314 and 315 the main cast never live tweet, and by main i say josh, ginny, lana and jen, the only persons live tweeting were a strange choice, sean, jared, emilie , colin ad bex, and this last was doing a ask bex bc never mentioned nothing about the epi. I do feel that something is off, for example last year we got the juice details of meghan on summer hiatus, maybe we will get more about it after the show end or even after the final season, the more the day passes the more i think was actor asking out, maybe the network push them to make neal story lame in order to be the actor asking out so that they wouldnt be the bad ones, and maybe is bc of that the silence is happening,even MRj had to come doing damage control, and only after adam spoke, then the whole rumours that MRJ knew about it, probably adam telling, and i mean when an actor has to come and explain himself bc his character was killed, that to me tells me that something was going wrong, and last year, MRJ used to publicity the show every sunday, starting S3A was more the sundays he would say anything than the ones we used to publicity, not even on this last sunday that was his last episode, still dont get how the pics of MRJ and jen were taking on 8 jan, the filming the death scene, guess that back them maybe the crew would think they would bring him back and only when the filmed the funeral scene was showned that the caracter wouldnt came back, and that was when the PA spoke and on the same day they spoke to matt and the other media, bc now i think the reason why no one made any neal questions, was bc they all knew he was dying.
Someone pointed it out that emma is not wearing the swan necklace on this new FL version, ( although i cannot see if is real or not) bc if it is, and this is like a new curse that makes them go back to EF, so the bug is lost, bc no car needed of the EF, lost the necklace, probaby by saying that he survived bf bc was true love that neal felt for emma, but emma didnt feel the same, destoyed the dreamcatcher that probably stayed in Ny. yeah, so they probably erased everything related to neal. since they erase the bae part of the whole show, if they go this way is safe to say they erased all seasons, even wonder if they will make henry remenber neal at all.
