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In fact colin, jared, emilie, sean and gabe said something about the episode as like the acting was good. The only person that came so far wishing good to MRJ was Michael coleman, like wishing him all the best. No one of the remain cast even the ones that said something about the episode , came and said wish you luck and nice to meet you, bc saying that the acting was good in the epi, is not the same that say we loved to know you, hope to work with you again, have to meet us to have lunch or something, nothing. Not even RC, although he is a more private person, but he said it several times that he loved to work with MRJ bc they have similar backgrounds. Even adam only said something when MRJ came to twiter to make damage control.
[adrotate group="5"]You know when i think this show cannot stick the knife further on the heart, oh wait , they came and say, well you sill suffer more and more, giving hook new clothes like a prince, even people are saying emma has a ring is bc she is engaged with hook, is like want to make me vomit, dorry if any Csers see this, i cannot stop what i think.
I decided to unfollow everything ouat related on twiter, only follow MRJ and Emilie and Robert, and only go to private chatzy chats, of fb group and here, decided not even go back to the chst here, is a dangerous place bc of all the gloating and people calling us crazy bc we are freak out bc of a death character, even on Fb group page yesterdy i had to vent after someone there say that she liked neal, but there were another characters on the show and we should stop with the hate towards the show. I simply vented, the words simply came out, i will post here what i wrote.
“I guess the show lost is way, can any of you see the show from S1 until now the same way? knowing that everything that rumple did was for nothing? that 1 little boy that wanted to save his father will never have any happiness and dies on the middle of the wood in a totally OC way, without even seeing his son grow? while henry will have 2 new fathers, that also used dark magic in some part of their lives and never paid the price? and neal bc he opened one dam door, has to pay the price of never be a father to his son, so that everyone forget about him and simply move on, even his father that will be made oc like he wont even try anything to bring his son back and simply move on with belle. The show values died sunday, the past sunday killed 2.5 seasons, and started a new season like nothing before that happened. Do i hate the show, yes, bc i feel betrayed, bc i feel that if they decided to kill neal btw season i was given false hope, bc like 1 month ago we trend hope for neal and adam said great and he was already dead, bc they killed the person that symbols the casual viewer, i hope that the show crash, so that haters cannot say that bc neal died the ratings grow, bc he was the cancer of the cast. Do i feel disapointed that none of the regular cast comes and say something to neal fans and to MRJ, or even ABC, yes. Instead we are offered with the news that 2 new charaters will become regular, one with no connection what so ever to any regular cast, that will be brought bc is loved in wonderland and is consider hot and cute, we are given several pics of funeral, with extras that never meet neal, while the darlings, ruby, ariel, eric,darwfs, archie, gepetto and pinochio arent there, we are given pics of rumple being force to kiss the person part responsable for his son dead, we are offer the vision of hook being on the place that was supposed to be neal, we are treated as haters by writers and other fans, bc we see loopholes on the writing and the mighty writers dont accept that, we are given BTS pics of other cast menbers on the cemetery laughing like neals fans should be happy about his death, i gues this explains my feeling for the show now,sorry if some of you dont agree or feel like im being crazy, i lost all my time during 1 .5 year, bc i came with MRJ to the show, to see my favorite character and actor treated like garbage and not deserved of love.”
And i keep seing posts everywhere that in the cold of the moment, they show some light, they killed neal bc they didnt know what to do with the character, i guess is easier to write stories about pirates fighting other pirates over a ship, or with mermaids, than develop a whole story to explain things about one original story, guess is bc of that , that even emma doesnt have centrics, bc they simply can write an original storye, and when people demanded neal story, they simply didnt have one, and waht they do, lets make him open one door in a totally oc way and then kill him.
Also Adam words, i thing the only reaction i have is vomit, although im starting to think that he may be seing that they may have doomed the show and is starting to see that was the worst move they made, bc this is not, cora, graham, milah, lancelot, pan, or any other character they killed, this is the base of the show, and you see that bc on sunday was, through his death neal got his happy ending, to now saying his death was tragical and that he totally deserved a happy ending, i guess they thought now one would care about it, and now they are picking the fruits of the worst move they made on the show, this of course if was not actor request, although evenif that was true, i think if they really wanted neal, they would say to mRJ that they would give him more screen time and then on the end of the season he would decide, but guess was also their interest that neal disapear from the show.
You know what aslo makes me angry, that they will make rumple move on, like nothing happen in a totally Oc way, like saying my son would want me to be happy, be friends with hook and robin, saying that they are doing a great job as henry new parents, bc the thing is they will be forever on henry live, even if henry say no one can replace his father, that will be something at the beg, bc he had maybe one week with neal and his memories will be replace by new ones with hook and robin that will stay much longer, in the end, villains get more than 2 chances and sweet kids that make one mistake not, i would almot prefer that during that year, they would de age neal, and the reason why no one saw im on Sb was bc there he was bae, if they wanted to get rid of neal so bad. maybe like this, although would be stupid and bold writing, and would need a lot explanation, they could decide frm there a more action about what to do with neal, if bring him backi, like grwo up o the finale season or let him and rumple have his happy ending and him becoming friends with henry, without knowing henry was his son.
Hi im here again, i dont even know what to say, so i give congrats over more than 1000 pages, or o cry for the reason that in 3 days we got more than 100 pages.
I keep thinking and still nothing makes sense, the bad writing, the fact that A/E didnt write it themselves, the disrespect , please, you didnt died like on the last year, bc you live inside your dead body, wonder when they were on the writers room, if they gain some price for this death idea.
What upsets me the most is that now A/E are saying that, this was always meant to be his end, so no longer was decision from S2/S3, was from the beginning, can i please stop to go vomit, are they joking, i still wonder what MRJ and RC , thought when they saw this script, i dont even speak of the other actors.
The more i see it the epi was like rush in a way, @rainbow said some pages ago, like we dont want to work with you anymore , you also dont want to work with us anymore, let get this done and be over it.
I even remenber of MRJ after the premiere, that he would be surprise if the boys would make neal some wizard addicted to magic, or something like this. I thought they prepared the death from beg season 3, this all makes no sense, i can say that now beside sad, and most angry, i need anwsers and real ones, not the crap they been saying on media, and where is the interview with MRJ, so a regular cast menber leaves and only the writers speak? where is MRJ interview, where are the other actors interviews, about how this death will after the other characters, were are the tributes, or words from ABC and the cast to MRJ? this is all wrong.
The lack of respect toward neal fans and SF now named haters, and i must say the barin wash is so big, that even some fans that were sad , say that after seing A/E interviews, are stating to feel better, bc now they look at it and the end was fitting, what is this?
I have to say that the words hope and the trend thing is stuck with me so bad, that i cannot even express myself.
I know that some people still hope that neal will be brought back to live on the end of the season, and the big plot for S4 is to bring back neal, i have to say i feel sorry for this persons, they will suffer, they say that the credits still have mRJ, although i said that probably will be like Meghan, like in credits until the season ends, or not, since he is dead. I dont believe they go that way , that would be the most stupid thing, so they lie to the media and to the fans and bring him back again. they said there goodbyes, unless they see the rating droping and make a new theme for S4.
Can i also say that although i dont think they will bring him back, especially bc some people on the chat think that WW wants to bring cora, i want Rumple to try to bring Neal even if he is buried( guess a preservation spell could explain that, they did it with daniel) but i think will be very OC that rumple acepts this, but from the end i guess i was already accepting, he just wanted revenge for his son, not trying to find a way to bring him back.
I guess that in the middle of the fight, they will all forget about Neal and all move on. Still dont get why Adam said like some few weeks agio that he talked about neal every day on the writers room, so waht they going to make every character say we will do this for neal? with the rumours of a cs kiss on 320, i guess that hook and emma will kiss for neal memory, if this is true.
Well i will leave for now, come back later.
Ok, i came back here, to speak, i thought i was one with the show, based in all spoilers, but was expecting that, they destroyed the character story, like forever, is almost like starwars, the good kid join the dark side and sacrifice himself, looking for redemption, but that is all crap, Bae/Neal is the character that most deserved happiness, and all the other villains will move one like nothing happens, and wont even remenber him, henry will learn to love as father Robin and Hook, and neal will be just a person i saw during one week of his life. Even the last real talk neal and henry had was when pan was inside his body, this is all crap.
I think that maybe MRJ has already some projects in mind and the keep tuned is that he will reveal something, i really hope so, bc lets be honest he is to good to this show, the only person that is on his level is RC, and even him, im starting to think is tired of all this crap writing, so rumple arc is your son goes to a portal, you do everything to save him, at expense of other people lives,when you find him he doesnt want anything with you, then he dies, they you go suicidal mode, to save the grandson that is supposed to be your undoing, then go to find your crazy father, find out your son is alive but hates you bc you want to kill his son, then save his grandson, is put in a box by your father, then make peace with your son, your father merge into your grandson body, then after saving your grandson , he kills his father and himself so that his son has a chance at happiness, then a curse separate his son from his grandson, then his son does everything to go back to the son that doesnt remenber anything about him, by saving his father , his son dies, and to save him, he merge with his son, to be captured by the crazy witch, to have the savior you said will give everyone happy enddings, unmerge him from his son, making his son dying, in the middle of the woods, in the arms of the woman he loves, without her even given him a kiss, with his son thinking he is a jerk, and his son thanking him for showing what is sacrifice, ( the character that showed more sacrifice in the whole show), and then as it wasnt enough, he must leave his son body on the woods, alone, and cannot go to his funeral, yeah, RC must really like rumple story, it makes total sense in the general story.
I said on the chatand i say it here, the only thing that could make thsi not like the crap it was, was if this was the last season of the show, bc that would mean that they will defeat the ww on the finale and all go back home, but now seeing rumple story with hsi son, probably make another character assassination, like make him move on with belle like nothing happened.
And i must say, only if MRJ is crazy is that he go back to ouat or work with this crew, cast, network and writers again, hope he learn his lesson and never cross the path of this people again.
The crew and cast are also the most impossible thing i saw in my live, i can say that i came into the show bc of MRJ, then had to check the show to understand, and when he joined the show, my friend @Rainbow, that is also here, she said to me , is he crazy join to work with this persons, escpecially with JMO , she doesnt like the actress much, the only persons she said taht could make a good show, was Lana, RC and emilie, guess she was right.
And looking back, the signs were all there, 306, 311, 312, but i think that this was something they decided after 304, bc on 306, someone call the attention, the acting on MRJ changed, was like he was only there to do the lines, until 304, he talked about Neal as I after he started talking about neal as He, until 304 he talked about Sf after he talked all ships may be possible, and what happened between this , i tell you is called 305, and what happens there, the kiss. Because i dont believe that in comic con they would know that neal was going to die, until then also jen used to talk about SF after they shoot the 305 and before airs her mood was hook is this, hook is that, he is perfect.
Can is say im fan from all of you, bc you still have hope, because now i have none, after the filming reports came out.
Im sorry if im with no hope at all( i was full of hope last week, but this week i lost everything, i have to say some fans help this process), but one thing is MRJ being in Van but not filming, another thing is he is not being there, the door pic, im starting to believe that was a reshoot, and was a way to not make obvious that is neal. If ends not being neal, i would say bravo prodution for the kept secret, but i the same time , i will still be disapointed, guess this S3B is not good for us neal and Sf fans, because i feel that we wont see neal, more than few seconds, if he appears in all epis.
Someone asked if Neal dies we will still see the show, well my anwser is NO. Because i had the anwser on 313, with almost no Neal, i felt like i was seeing a boring show, i just wanted the show to finish to see the 314 promo, and that made me realize that with no Neal, the show means nothing to me, maybe is bc until MRJ started in the show, i was simply a casual viewer, in fact i didnt even saw all full episodes of S1, of S2 only care about the ones that neal enters, and the same goes with S3A.
Someone told me that was bc of the hiatus, i say no, i think the principal reason was bc of the death spoiler, bc i feel that is really neal, many can say that if is neal why was a very bad secret, well since the PA spoiled and even said that the actor was not very interested on the show anymore, Adam and Eddie had to come and say something, bc they would know that everyone will be checking who was filming, so without confirming they release the spoiler so that the fans would have an idea of who was, whithout saying is neal.
About Adam and Eddie like Neal, i think they had other ideas for Neal, that people would love him because he is Bae, but since they saw people hated him and prefer Hook, they simply decided not to develop his story anymore. Even Jen words lately, he will always be henry father, that is true, but for me that sounds like , in a way she is saying that now for emma that is only what he means for her, and i would say that is almost like, he is dead, but will remain on our memories, bc emma passed good moments with him and he is henry father. If emma is wearing the swan necklace , i see that as a Graham shoelaces part 2.Also Adam says that he talks about neal, but to say what, that he may go dark, that he will go with belle in one adventure, that is all past, waht about the present, we even know hook story, and that will be in end episodes, and about other characters, they say they have plans and are excited, but nothing about neal.
Do i feel is story driven if is Neal? No, i believe we have a Meghan 2 again, the actor asked out, i mean, if we look with casual viewers eyes, to the story, makes no sense being neal, but also the casual viewers eyes, would say to the fandom, that we are all crazy, and that way the media, ABC and some fans treat MRJ, only a crazy person would stay on the show.
Fandoms exist because people like us, see the show for more than just one show, we see characters and identify each other with them, bc during that 45minutes, we dont worry about our lives, we live on that world, that is why im thinking in leaving ouat fandom, the show is becoming more about ships, about fans being bad to others, so if neal is the one that dies,i prefer to think the show ended on december with an open ending for everyone to make their own, if is not neal that dies, all his scenes will be available on youtube, tumblr or even here, so no need to see the whole show, since will be only seconds.
I guess what im saying is that i will make a hiatus of ouat, if is forever depends if the writers surprise me or not, but by the way the writing goes, i dont think that will happen, everything is to preditable, so i thank you for all good times and we can still speak with each other on twiter of something, about non ouat related.
I aslo wonder if rumple will remenber this past years in SB? bec if he doesnt he doesnt remenber neal or everything that happened. I also think what kind of deal aurora made with the WW, i wonder if that is why they will bring the wraith story back, bc zelena, may know the whole story bc aurora told her, thet henry was regina adopted son, that he was the son of the savior and the dark one son, so to zelena having neal is a great leverage, she has the way to control rumple with the dager and make sure he doesnt try to rebel and no one tries to free him, also he has the father of the truest beliver that is also her nephew and the ex of the savior, maybe taht is why she knew so much about emma and henry to send walsh, she may have used neal love for emma or his blood to see where they were. If por example she aslo has the wraith medallion,she could use it on neal, also that would mean that mRJ was not used in filming very much, bc he woud be on a bed, so not needed to film, only some shoots to use in some epi.
I aslo wonder if rumple will remenber this past years in SB? bec if he doesnt he doesnt remenber neal or everything that happened. I also think what kind of deal aurora made with the WW, i wonder if that is why they will bring the wraith story back, bc zelena, may know the whole story bc aurora told her, thet henry was regina adopted son, that he was the son of the savior and the dark one son, so to zelena having neal is a great leverage, she has the way to control rumple with the dager and make sure he doesnt try to rebel and no one tries to free him, also he has the father of the truest beliver that is also her nephew and the ex of the savior, maybe taht is why she knew so much about emma and henry to send walsh, she may have used neal love for emma or his blood to see where they were. If por example she aslo has the wraith medallion,she could use it on neal, also that would mean that mRJ was not used in filming very much, bc he woud be on a bed, so not needed to film, only some shoots to use in some epi.
i dont think are 2 diferent figures, also lets not forget that was an actor that that filmed with them, back then and since we only see charming in the past in the tower, and this actor thanked, ginny, josh, colin, sean and emilie, i would say is in the present, so if it is two diferent persons, i would say the actor that filmed with them, is also working for the ww, why would neal be is his EF clothes, none of the others were, well except hook, but that is writers option, and if was neal why would he walking around in the woods like creepy person, unless the ww has his heart and is aslo making him do stuff, although dont like that option, bc that would mean that she can kill him like regina did with graham.
i don`t think that the hooded figure is Neal, bc we also see that same figure on rapunzel tower, i think is walsh, he was the one was supposed to have a connection with Emma and Rapunzel, and would make sense that he was in a charming quest in the past and also again in SB , since next epi is a charming epi. I have also have several questions, on the promo we see emma asking hook was he is hidding, can this be that he had some sort of contact with Neal is the previous year?How they find the farm? How come to hand the pics on 315 from MRJ and Jen? Bc when they return to SB they should have return, with almost the same clothes and mRJ was not with the same clothes from 311. Also they said that 4 or 5 darwfs were missing, but at grannys there were 4, where were they?Can i say , bravo prodution, very good hiding Meghan, and also lets not forget those inside informations that the paps had that RC was not in van filming epi 313 and 314, that he was on scotland, wonder know what other things they hide or even lie about, to use as decoy. BUT MOST IMPORTANT WHERE IS NEAL?( this almost sound like where is wally) i dont thing that rumple would kill neal, since we will see neal again with the pics, and lets not forget that according to the girl that filmed with MRJ she was double for belle, regina and emma, so cannot be on the past, i think, unless we will find out that is like a imagination, like the one charming will have on 314. Zelena says something to rumple on canadian promo: “What you took a life time seeking, i found it in less time” many say is neal, others say is family, but she doesnt consider regina family in the sense that rumple thinks of Bae, she only wants revenge. I must say that i found very easy and simple for people start thinking neal is a monkey, or is death, is to like not surprise, and many people say is a going to be something big and emotional and the end of a character arc, how would that be a end for neal journey, so i can only say this, or i will be schok that they went to far with neal and the writing is crap and they dont even deserve a s4, besides sad, or i will applaud the writers, actors and prodution, for the best decoy i saw and the most amazing turn of events, bc now for me i only want neal alive, the rest (SF) if comes,ok, if not also ok, just want neal not to die at the end.
