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The fact that Neal wasn’t waiting for her in SB when she returned from the Enchanted Forest was the time I was like “hey… he CANNOT be her true love”. Because all we heard from Snowing OVER AND OVER AGAIN throughout season 1 and 2 was that TL finds each other. We saw that with Aurora and Phillip as well. He woke her up and she returned his soul to his body.
At that time I was shipping Captain Swan but wasn’t sure if they were TL. That didn’t come until 2×22 (ugh I can’t think about those dark days when Colin broke his leg without shuddering)
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Ok sorry I get what you mean now. But AGAIN my problem with this is that Rapunzel is supposed to be 14. And Christopher Gorham is undoubtedly a MAN
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@hookian – I’ve been thinking he’s Eugene as well (this thought won’t let me go), but the problem I have about that is that the casting call for Rapunzel was for a 14 year old or something. UGH. I need March now.
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Thinking about it though it seems oddly specific the way they’ve worded that last sentence. They seem to be pretty sure that Emma and Rapunzel are connected by this guy.
The confusion is real.
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@emmajones – because they are determined to ignore canon and hate Killian no matter what is shown on the show 🙂 let them hate, by the end of the season Emma will make her choice and it won’t be Neal.
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The “triangle” summed up in one PERFECT post from thepixiewoods:
True Love storytelling and this lopsided blob of a love triangle
After reading Hilary’s post today (and along with a few other posts I responded to), I got thinking about the storytelling of this love blob ”triangle.”
There’s an element of catharsis in the endings of stories, I think. The reader obviously has expectations about what will happen based on the clues they find throughout. When a reader’s expectations are met, they can experience that catharsis at the end – an odd feeling of satisfaction the readers has, that, after all that tension, things have ended up how they should be. I’ll grant you, not all readers feel this way at the end of a story because every reader has different desires and expectations, but because of the nature of fairy tales and the fact that happy endings are such an important element of this show, I’d venture a guess that for the ending, they’re going to go for making the viewer feel like everything has ended up how it is supposed to.That being said, I thought about the way this “triangle” story has been told in terms of the males involved and what we know about the nature of true love in the OUAT universe. As viewers, we want the heroine, Emma, to end up with the right person (her true love) and to be happy.
Consider what we know about true love. The three biggest lessons we’ve had so far are:
1.that it doesn’t move on
2.it always finds one another
3.and when it is separated, both lives are ruined.When it comes to the story telling payoff with Emma’s romance, her true love needs to fit (at minimum) these three characteristics, or (many) viewers can’t get on board with it and feel that she ended up with the right person. This is a show that prominently features the idea of happy endings. Emma is going to end up with her true love, with the right person. For it to be the right person, it needs to be her true love, who needs to meet (like I said, at minimum) those three requirements.
Now for Hook, we’re missing part of the story. We don’t know the details of his year apart from Emma. However, before she leaves he tells her he will think about her every day, so I think it’s pretty safe to say the separation negatively affected his life in a profound way if he was thinking of the woman he loved every day and being told that he truly couldn’t ever see her again (but not believing it, no – you’ll see). I think Hook meets true love requirement three, and I predict we’ll get to see a lot more of how much his life actually was ruined when 3B starts.
Obviously, Hook also meets true love requirements one and two. When he is separated from her (and not by his choice, mind you), he doesn’t move on, or he wouldn’t be at her door a year later, trying to plant a TLK on her. If he had moved on, he wouldn’t have even tried a TLK because he would have known it wouldn’t work. Further, he finds her in a world he doesn’t know and minimally understands. Like, how the eff did he do that without a car, or knowing anything about trains, or addresses, or anything modern at all? I’m interested to find out. But in the biggest city on Earth, he finds her. Let’s be honest, here: Hook thinks Emma is IT for him. He can’t be happy with anyone else now that he knows what it’s like to even just have Emma IN HIS LIFE, not even being with her. It’s just the truth.
I don’t think Neal fits any of the three true love requirements. For one, when he is separated from her, his life isn’t ruined. He doesn’t go to jail and he faces no repercussions of any kind. He gets out of the country, is eventually able to come back (since Rumple uses magic to figure out that his son is in New York, we know he comes back to the US), and has a fiancée he’s about to marry. Seems like he’s doing pretty peachy to me. After Neal is separated from Emma (by his choice, in contrast to Hook, who has no choice thanks to Pan, that little *poop*), he acts like he wants to find her after she has “done her job,” and even tells August to contact him once that has happened. August does, and there’s Neal’s chance to go find Emma. He doesn’t go. So he doesn’t fit requirement number two either. And finally, given that he had a fiancée and was prepared to marry her, clearly he had moved on, and can be happy with someone other than Emma.
(Brief aside to address comments about Milah that will undoubtedly come: listen, you can’t count Milah as moving on from Emma. Hook hadn’t met Emma yet. Emma hadn’t been born. SNOW, Emma’s MOTHER, hadn’t been born. When Neal moves on, though, he has already been with Emma, whereas anytime after Hook meets Emma, he doesn’t move on.)
So. Which guy, in terms of storytelling, will it be satisfying for the heroine to end up with? The guy who can’t be happy with anyone but her, or the guy who can? The guy who doesn’t meet ANY of the requirements of true love, or the guy who meets all of them?
I don’t think this is a hard question to answer.
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Yeah I’m inclined to agree actually, re-reading. Where have all the good spoilers gone????
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I have to give you shippers credit I don’t see you in chat very often and the few times I did you never complained about Neal or did I miss something hmmmm
We don’t actually hate Neal (well most of us lol) and to be honest we (well most of us) don’t see him as a threat to Captain Swan anymore 🙂 now anytime I talk about him it’s as a comparison between what is love and what is TRUE love (sometimes I get mad at him but hey I’m human lol).
I try my hardest to keep it friendly and non shipping. I want us to be able to talk and not have it go stupid. I try guys, I try.
I’ve seen the evidence of you trying!!!!!!!!!!! (i’ll never forget when you were shouting about dwarves in the chat the one time I actually jumped into a shipping discussion lololol)
i had to stop looking at the Swanfire thread. It would upset me and I found that I started to dislike Rumple and Neal (because I felt Hook was being unfairly targeted to benefit of these characters), which impacted my ability to enjoy the show. Since I’ve realized I can’t change anyone’s mind, I’ve stopped looking at the thread and am liking Neal more.
SAME
Completely agree. In fact I don’t know how @RumplesGirl can stomach to come into our thread(maybe you should get somebody else to police our thread RG?).
I think it’s just nice to stick to our own shipping thread (God knows I see all the SF arguments on tumblr anyway lol) and talk about our beautiful ship here and nowhere else because outside of it it just degenerates into a back-and-forth where nobody wins.
As I’ve said before, I like Neal and I want him to get a character arc. I’m hoping that 3B will focus on the relationship between him and Rumple a lot because omg if he’s on that gurney (which I don’t actually think he is but whatever) it would just reduce him to a plot device YET AGAIN as somebody who needs to be saved which… ugh. Don’t let me down A&E!!!!
NOW
LET’S FLUFF THE AURA
ADAM LOVES US
And I don’t have a screencap but last summer Adam said “good work” to all the CaptainSwan/Snowing parallels!!!!! 🙂
AND WE ARE ONE OF THE TOP FIVE MOST POPULAR CURRENT COUPLES ON TV OK
Who feels better? I do lol.
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