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@CaptainEala I hope you’re right about that, and the incoming event comes after Emma and Killian are able to be together.
They’re not going to be together lol, but Neal ain’t gunna fight for her, of that i’m 99% certain. He certainly hasn’t shown any signs of it so far. And Emma’s feelings for Killian are going to come to the fore in 3B – that’s twice he’s come back for her now, when nobody has before. Confirmed by JMo herself. We’re going to see her being more emotional about him than in 3A.
It’s not so much that I care about what they say, I’ll just be less annoyed with them unable to say that and well tbh I’m a little vindictive so I’d like to be able to throw that one around a bit after some of the stuff that’s been said
Ha! The haters will come up with literally anything to say. When our predicted TLK happens, they’ll STILL be saying that CS aren’t TL. Guaranteed.
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@emmajones – yeah i saw that. I’m not giving him anything though, not even a vote, he is nothing short of a f—-ing troll.
@Aurora – *snort*In that case let’s kill off Tink and the Darlings too.
*rolls eyes*
Hook’s sole purpose on the show at the moment is to be Emma’s love interest. Killing him off wouldn’t drive the story forward, would upset fans and OUAT would lose ratings.
Honestly i have zero percent worry on this score anymore.
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I think Emma’s choice will be made even clearer before the death if i’m honest. I’m pretty certain Neal will be fairly passive in terms of finding Emma. He may make an initial effort, but ultimately he isn’t the one to go, as we know. That alone means that they aren’t TL.
one thing I dread hearing is “Neal’s gone so it took the decision out of Emma’s hands.” Obviously that’ll be completely trivializing Emma’s decision making but they’ll say it, and if things play out this way it’ll get brought up.
I talked about this a few pages ago i think, but when Emma ends up with Hook after Neal dies (sorry, forgone conclusion for me) ANY arguments to this effect are crap. If they say that, they’re basically admitting that CS are, and always were intended to be, TL:
If you died I would not be able to move on!
Honestly i couldn’t give a flying *fancy* what the haters say, because they have been consistently proven wrong time and again by CSers, and I fully expect that to continue lol.
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Like you guys have been saying, even people who were resolutely SURE SF was going to be endgame changed their minds after 3×11.
E-X-A-C-T-L-Y
I’m wondering if Adam’s tweet was just to cover his butt.
Yeah, i don’t think we’ll ever know. But either way, Neal’s death being planned means CS is TL. And MRJ being unhappy with his role in the show means that CS is TL, really. The only way an actor is unhappy with his role is if it’s not being developed properly.
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i was just about to post this! Thanks Eala Still don’t like the idea of losing one of these characters, especially since there’s so much to be explored with them.
But you no longer think it’s a cheap way to develop them??? 🙂
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Something else, I saw yesterday, Remember that spoiler that the reason why it was Hook who showed up at Emma’s at not Neal, the poster commented, maybe that’s because by that point, Neal is dead. That would be a HUGE hindrance to why Neal couldn’t go.
Except MRJ was seen filming with JMo in normal clothes for 3×15 or 3×16. He can’t be dead. This is a BIG DEAL. It’s going to be in the latter half of 3B IMO.
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Am posting this for you @zoeandnimo lol 🙂 she made this post yesterday, basically saying all the things we’ve been saying in this thread lol, but it will make you feel better!!!
From lady-silverblood:
Okay. I am going to make one post and logic everybody’s face off and this will serve as my official statement on the subject and no more.
First, Hook is not going to die. Period. I state this three times in my FAQ (with the spoilers I may need to bump it up to six). Other shipmates have written about, if the character death is voluntary as is rumored, WHY ON EARTH would it be Colin? Answer: it wouldn’t be. He loves Hook, ships CS harder than just about anyone, quit his band, moved his whole family to Vancouver, and otherwise has demonstrated multiple times in the real world how devoted he is to the role. For him to now be dissatisfied and asking off (the same PA who originally started the rumor of the death and the unhappy cast member, which IMHO was gossipy and unprofessional, told someone wondering about the lack of Colin pictures that there was “nothing to worry about” and that Colin was one of the nicest and most down-to-earth cast members ever) just wouldn’t be the case. So it’s not an attitude issue, it’s not Colin being unhappy, none of it makes sense that he would ask to be written off. He’s been in a few minor projects, but OUAT is his breakout role and will give him steady work for at least 3-4 more years. He has a young son. Job security is a nice thing. In contrast to MRJ, who’s an established actor who’s worked on many shows and let’s face it, isn’t getting much to do with Neal at all and after the interview (“there was only one” re Hook ending up at Emma’s door) clearly isn’t going to get much more. It makes sense that as contract renewals roll around, he could have politely requested A&E write him off the show to free him up to pursue other projects.
Next, Hook is a fan favorite. Don’t listen to the haters; he is EXTREMELY popular. There is good evidence for this (the popularity of Hook/Captain Swan things on the OUAT facebook etc). The last time we had a fan favorite redeem himself as a hero by dying (3×11, Rumple) it was such that NO ONE believed he was really dead. They just weren’t going to take him off the show like that. Likewise, Adam and Eddy aren’t STUPID. Hook is famously popular among the ABC executives (remember that interview about how they kept asking if he was in every scene?) who already stopped them from killing Charming. Do you REALLY, REALLY THINK they’re going to kill off their handsome, romantic, dashing, popular, controversial leading man, when everybody is buzzing about his chemistry with your leading lady, when they just got nominated for a PCA for it, when you’ve planned for him since the start of the show, when you already went the kill-off-Emma’s-love-interests route before, when the character has stated over and over in canon that one of his chief virtues is survival and that he’s in it for the long haul? Dying at this point truncates his arc and does nothing. He just dies, forever, leaving Emma broken and none of his character objectives fulfilled. Why spend almost two seasons building him up, giving him all the momentum, writing yourself into a corner with his love for Emma, journey to find her, and his dynamic, ongoing struggle and transformation, just to bump him off? It would tell him that it wasn’t worth it to change that much in hope of love, as he got neither his happy ending or the woman he did it for.
Third, it’s sad and ridiculous to think that after Hook dies a hero, Neal can then somehow swoop in and pick up the pieces. Emma already TOLD Neal she’d rather have him dead than enter a new relationship with him. Multiple times, she chose to actively stay away from him and to resist any idea of giving him false hope. I can’t think ANYBODY would be happy if after having lost Hook, her TL, she just sadly and reluctantly ended up with Neal as a second choice, having to settle once more for the guy who caused all her trust issues and f—ing let her go to jail (thank you Kitsis). That would be a tragedy. It would be BEYOND depressing, flagrantly untrue to Emma’s character, require the hasty and obvious retconning of everything they’ve ever established about that relationship to date, and be contrary to why Adam and Eddy have stated they write the show in the first place: to give hope to people that things can change and they can experience a little magic for themselves. Hook isn’t dying for the same reason that ST isn’t endgame. This is a show about hope, family, true love, and happy endings. Emma doesn’t get that in the relationship specifically designed to show us why she is the way she is. She wouldn’t take Neal back even if Hook wasn’t in the picture.
Once more, Adam and Eddy have stated that the attempted TLK at the end of 3×11 was a “natural and inevitable place” they kept getting to, it was the only ending (as in, no Plan B to set up Neal as the possible TL), it leads into a whole new story, it was all about Emma and Hook connecting in thematic and character ways that “made a lot of sense,” and so on. They’re both talking about how they “hope” to see more CS in 3B. (After “I’d like to see it” in regards to the possibility of CS in 3A during the summer hiatus last year.) You don’t destroy the story you’ve worked so hard for like that. Killing who is almost beyond any doubt your main character’s true love doesn’t fit with ANYTHING you’ve decided or demonstrated to the audience to date, and hence they would be MAD. We’re invested in Hook because we’ve been set up that way. We get his glances, his reactions, his flashback episode, his high places and his dark places, everything about his journey. He is the character who has the momentum to start that “whole new story” with Emma. To cut that short and give it to the absent, passive, invisible, plot device Neal is simply a beyond stupid move that Adam and Eddy are too smart to make.
tl;dr: There’s no good reason on earth that Hook would die, and this is the last post I’m going to make on why not.
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