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My favorite moments were few in this episode. I did not hate it, but I did not love it. I thought it was only ok. Those favorite moments were:
1) Emma cuffing Hook – because I was completely fooled, and did not expect it. When Emma said “You owe me 2 favors”, I thought, she has a code of honor, she’ll make sure Hook is alive and come back with him. Furthermore, it removes all ambiguity from Hook – no way he’ll team up with the Princesses now, he’ll definitely be on Team Cora.
2) The scene with the dream catcher – because it ties in to part of what we saw in the opening episode.
3) Henry describing the nightmare, and the reveal/suspicion that he and Aurora saw each other.Least favorite moment is when Neal looks into the box, and we’re not shown what he saw. I know it’s meant to be a tease, but it did not work as a tease for me. It felt more like something was deliberately left out just to artificially create suspense. From that point, it’s obvious that Neal is from Enchanted Forrest, or at least another world, otherwise his reaction to August’s story would have been something along the lines of “what drugs are you on”. So, for me at least, it would have been better if the whole August scenes were omitted, and we were left with the feeling Neal turned on or abandoned Emma. Then, have another episode where we learn who Neal was in EF, how he became Neal, cut to the scene where he leaves to fence the watches and then reveal August’s role (possibly having the scene where Neal looks into the box as the cliffhanger).
[adrotate group="5"]@Hannah97 wrote:
Yeah, I completely agree with you. At some point she’s bound to find out and she’ll begin to hate Jefferson. The only question is, does she find out before or after she strands him in Wonderland? From what we say in Hat Trick, she didn’t seem like she had a whole lot of animosity towards him, but was more manipulative than anything. Then we find out that she made his curse different than everyone else’s by causing him to remember. So, either something happened between the events in Hat Trick and the casting of the curse, or Regina is a really good actress to hide her hatred for Jefferson and not even tell him about it as she strands him in another world.
Yeah, I’m going with something happens after she strands him.
I think she found out about it before she left him stranded. Something happened to make Jefferson lose his fortune. Regina could be behind it. I think she stranded him in Wonderland as revenge for his role in the plot.
Of course, I have nothing concrete to back this. Just a feeling. Will be nice to find out who’s right. 🙂
Favorite moments: 1) David punching Dr. Whale. Probably undeserved and uncalled for, but it was fun to see. 2) The dialogue. So many good lines in this episode. 3) The black and white sequence at the end. Loved it, and a nice tribute to classic horror films.
Least favorite moment: 1) Seeing the logo with the producers’ names. Because it meant the show was over. 2) Don’t get me wrong, I loved the episode, and seeing Regina turn into a heart-ripping evil queen was cool, but I thought her motivation for doing so was weak.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Now that we know Rumplestiltskin is the stand-in for the crocodile and that he said “tick-tock” I wonder if we can start to draw some familial connections. We saw that Mystery Man has clocks in his NY apartment. We also saw that Henry has clocks in his bedroom. They could be directly related: Rupmel, the grandfather, Mystery Man/Baelfire, the dad, and Henry, the grandson.
The clocks in Mystery Man’s apartment could have another significance.
Based on my interpretation of the clues, I believe MM is either the Tinman of Oz, or Igor from the Frankenstein movies. If he is Tinman, or any other character from Oz, the clocks could be a reference to the character Tik-Tok, who appears in the 1985 Disney production “Return to Oz”.
If he is Dr. Frankenstein, where Igor? With all the body part in Mystery Man’s NY apartment, or body part related items, I’m thinking he might be Dr. Frankenstein’s assistant. It’s a stretch, I know, but I think it’s definitely a possibility.
The Bae is Peter Pan conversation has stayed with me for the past couple of days. I took that time to organize my thoughts – sorry if I don’t quote exact posts. But I really like this conversation / exchange of ideas.
I don’t believe that Bae will turn out to be Peter Pan, as I don’t believe Bae will be anyone but himself. However, in the case of Peter Pan, there’s three reasons why I specifically don’t think it will be the case.
1) Bae was supposed to go to a land without magic. Usually, that expression in the show refers to the Storybrook world (which is almost our world). I know the Blue Fairy has been known to be wrong or mistaken. However, I think that expression was deliberate on the part of the producers. They wanted us to know Bae was in “our” world. They have used mis-direction before, but this would be an out-right lie on their part. I don’t think they would toy with us in that specific way – in other ways, yes, but not in that way.
2) It does not fit the character of Peter Pan. True, they have been known to re-imagine the tales. However, Peter Pan is usually depicted younger that Bae, by at least 5 to 6 years. In the original book by J.M Barrie, he is even younger, as he is in not older that a few days, although the illustations make him look like about 5 years old. Furthermore, he is depicted as very naive. Before coming to Neverland, he has never been betrayed by an adult, so because of that, even though he spent years in Neverland, he never learned that some adults could not be trusted. In the original book, this was a trait that Hook exploited a number of times, by promising to fight fair and then tricking him. Bae, on the other hand, as been betrayed by his father. Such a betrayal would mean he never would have the childish trust that Peter has, such a naivete and love of life.
And more importantly,
3) It does not fit Bae’s character. Bae wanted his father to give up magic and power. Neverland is a land where magic is present. I don’t think Bae would accept living in this land and hang out with pixies, much less accept a magic shadow that can leave whenever it feels like it. They only way I could see him use some magic would be to fly to our world, and they stay here.
Yes, I know Regina wanted her nothing of her mother’s magic and then embrassed it. But I think Bae will turn out to be closer in character to Henry (who probably is his son), who rejected Regina’s magic, than to Regina’s character.
If I am wrong, and Bae is Peter Pan, than I think the rivalry with Hook will be because Hook will lie and say that he (Hook) killed Milah. I agree with those who think Hook is a bully, however, he does seem to have some sort of code which, to honour Milah, would prevent him from trying to turn a Bae against his father.
Again, thank you for the conversation. Nobody at work seems to watch the show, so it’s great to have people on line with whom I can discuss the episodes.
Favorite moments: 1)The scenes with Ruby. I love how she’s portrayed this season. Very different since she woke up from the curse. 2) Rumple opening Jones’ cut off hand, and finding no bean. 3) The conclusion between Hook and Cora
During the initial reaction podcast, they mentioned the axes the dwarves use in the mine came from a hardware store.
Even if it was a dream from Belle, I think the axes are in Mr. Gold’s Pawn Shop. Everything else seems to be there.
The bean took Bae to a land without magic. Neverland has magic, since it is populated with pixies that give people the power to fly. It is also magical, since people there do not age, according to Captain Hook.
Furthermore, Rumple told Belle he designed the curse to bring everyone to the land where Bae was.
@DanielJLewis wrote:
As I shared in the podcast, I think the wardrobe now has magic again because Emma touched it. She’s like a magic jumpstart battery.
I haven’t had time to listen to the podcast yet, but I like this theory. Emma seems to bring back magic to those who have lost it – probably a by-product of her birth being possible because Snow drank water from the lake.
Do we know for sure to whom the title refers to, because I’m starting to think Emma is the lady of the lake for those reasons.
