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I’m also leaning towards Glinda. What if the thing Glinda loves most is herself? Since the topic of sacrifice came up quite often this season, she could sacrifice herself to send all of them away from the Enchanted Forest to Storybrooke.
The Wicked Witch could have followed them easily with the silver slippers. This would also explain why she apparently still has her memories.
[adrotate group="5"]- You know what the issue is with this world. Everyone wants a magical solution for their problems, and everyone refuses to believe in magic.” - Jefferson
ChrisParticipantShe surely will get her wings back and if it takes believe in a fairy to make her a fairy, we have someone on this island who is the proud owner of the “heart of the truest believer”. So my guess is that Henry will play an integral part in making her whole again.
- You know what the issue is with this world. Everyone wants a magical solution for their problems, and everyone refuses to believe in magic.” - Jefferson
ChrisParticipantI *think* it might be a reference to “Song of Roland” French ballad. Hero is a romantic figure a la British Robin, though their stories are very different.
I think you are right. The song is also the basis of the “novel” Orlando Furioso. A side story there tells of the Chinese princess Angelica coming to the court of emperor Charlemagne where many knights fall in love with her. Paladin Orlando (Roland) looses his mind over his unrequited love and only a trip to the moon where his mind is within a bottle saves him.
The name Roland itself comes from Old High German and means mighty, courageous and glorious. So perhaps there will be some great deeds in the future of Robin’s son. He already proved his courage when he summoned the shadow after all.
- You know what the issue is with this world. Everyone wants a magical solution for their problems, and everyone refuses to believe in magic.” - Jefferson
ChrisParticipantThe road to hell is paved with good intentions… What were Tinkers intentions to help Regina? Pure selfless goodness? Was she just interested in Regina’s happiness, or as much in her very own happiness to be called a good fairy if successful? Was she acting out of truly felt hope and empathy for Regina or more based on hope for herself or both? Did she ask herself, if Regina was ready to meet her possible true new love, did she stay around to help if need be, or did she assume, some pixie dust and fate and love does the rest? Regina didn’t call for help when she was falling, not out loud at least, what gave Tinker Bell the right to interfere at all? Can one actually kinda push happiness onto someone?
Selflessness? Well possibly not but Tinkerbell was trying to help Regina to get out of the grasp of Dark Magic. Then, when trying to rid the Dark One of an apprentice, she gets told by the Blue Fairy (I like Jenny’s suggestions of Navy) to cut it? If this isn’t suspicious, what is? The original power, thought to be the source of goodness wants to deny hope and fresh start to a girl who suffered from the hands of her own mother and has given in to the temptation of darkness? Why would she do that if it wasn’t for some ulterior motive. Also some of the reasons she gave were quite ridiculous: “No, don’t help her because her mother was Cora who ripped out hearts!”
As to what gave her the right? Let me rephrase your question, if you saw someone in a deadly situation or trying to commit suicide and it was within your power to help, would you let him die? This is what Tinkerbell found herself faced with and she decided to save Regina.
When Tink and Regina met through this and became close, it started to interfere with Navy’s plan to let the curse happen and so she tried to forbid Tink to interfere. When she saw that it didn’t work she made sure Tinkerbell would not derail her scheme by clipping her wings and turning her into a common person without access to magic.
- You know what the issue is with this world. Everyone wants a magical solution for their problems, and everyone refuses to believe in magic.” - Jefferson
ChrisParticipantI just did a little read up on some fairy tales that popped to mind featuring shadows.
One “The Shadow” by Hans Christian Andersen tells the story of a man who loses his shadow and the shadow later turns into a spitting image of the man, replacing him in the end. The ShadowWhat if the Peter we see as “human” is in fact the true shadow while the shadow is a degenerated form of the actual Peter Pan who tries to become his old self again.
I also like the theory that the shadow is ripping people’s souls out In many fairy tales shadows and souls are associated. In one “The lost grace”, a woman is so afraid of childbirth that the she goes to a witch to keep her from having any. She gives her seven stones and tells her that they would have been her children. The woman drops the stones into a well, doesn’t get children, but looses her shadow in the process. She saves her soul in the end by repenting and giving up her own life.
A variation of that theme can be found in Strauss’ opera “The woman without a shadow”, part of the plot ar an empress who is not human and doesn’t cast a shadow and a poor woman who sells her unborn children and her shadow for riches.
I’m curious how this whole shadow theme will come into play in future episodes.
- You know what the issue is with this world. Everyone wants a magical solution for their problems, and everyone refuses to believe in magic.” - Jefferson
ChrisParticipantA really whacky thought just crossed my mind.
Could Tamara be somehow related to Dr. Facilier from “The Princess and the Frog”. He didn’t posess the true ability to do magic and only got it through dealings with evil spirits. He also was oozing false charme when he tricked Naveene into becoming a frog.
Her grandmother could be Mama Odie, the white witch, whose magic also was more witchcraft than true magic.What if she tries to follow in her fathers footsteps but without the cost of her soul, by stealing magic from Storybrook. Also the “Princess and the Frog” took place in New Orleans and not in some enchanted kingdom, so the characters might well be from our world.
- You know what the issue is with this world. Everyone wants a magical solution for their problems, and everyone refuses to believe in magic.” - Jefferson
ChrisParticipant@Ziera117 wrote:
lol…and I help them! Yes I do. 😉
Think about it. Both August and Neal were “Poor Unfortunate Souls” 😆
- You know what the issue is with this world. Everyone wants a magical solution for their problems, and everyone refuses to believe in magic.” - Jefferson
ChrisParticipantRegarding the Nuns: I just found a second century St. Melitta of Preslav also known as Melissa. Her legend says that she smashed idols with the power of her prayers. The name comes from greek, meaning bee, which would be quite fitting for the fairies.
- You know what the issue is with this world. Everyone wants a magical solution for their problems, and everyone refuses to believe in magic.” - Jefferson
ChrisParticipantI like the theory that she will cause the rift between Rumple and his son to deepen again. Especially if you take into account, that Tamara means lotus flower in its Indian version of the name and in the language of flowers it means estrangement.
On the other hand, there is also a celtic water goddess of that name, which might her put into the direction of Ursula.- You know what the issue is with this world. Everyone wants a magical solution for their problems, and everyone refuses to believe in magic.” - Jefferson
ChrisParticipant@Phee wrote:
@HappyEndings wrote:
Why would August know about the dagger he told Gold that a little fairy told him. ❓
It does not compute. What other fairy did August know, who he could have spoken to after leaving FTL, (because he certainly knew nothing about the dagger when he was a kid in FTL)? Blue was the perfect candidate.
And now Blue and the dagger get another connection. First, she waves her wand and then conveniently drops it, stating the protection was too powerful. Did her waving show any effect at all, or has she just faked it? There was no physical reaction to her counterspell as far as I can remember, was there a sound effect indicating magic at work?
Then the phone rings and she is standing right next to David and Snow when Emma calls in where to look for the Dark Ones dagger? Finally, surprise, surprise, Regina and Cora “pop up” in the right hiding place, of which three people in Storybrooke knew of. I think it is fairly safe to asume that neither David nor Snow told their enemies, which leaves… You do the math.
Sure, our favourite wicked witches could have watched invisible from the shadows, but then they would have known immedeately where to look and wouldn’t have to bring Johanna for their little “trade”. They could have had the dagger long before the others went up into the clock tower.- You know what the issue is with this world. Everyone wants a magical solution for their problems, and everyone refuses to believe in magic.” - Jefferson
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