[Chris]

There is a fantasy novel called “The Hero and the Crown” that is set in a Kingdom called Damar and also features Dragons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hero_and_the_Crown

Interesting side note the author, Robin McKinley, also wrote a re-telling of “Beauty and the Beast”.

[Chris]

@medchen wrote:

So Chris let me understand you right.You believe that it was something about the original power(Blue) that ‘in the dawn of time’ created The Dark One or more correctly the ‘power’ of the dark one. And then perhabs because it was an accident or that Blue changed her mind and wants to destroy the power of the dark one, she then set all the event that we have seen in motion in order to make that destruction happen ??

No Medchen that would be to elaborate a plan for something, the flick of a knife could do. I believe, or rather, I wouldn’t put it past the Blue Fairy, to have created the first “Dark One” for some sinister reason or other. Perhaps she had always planned to one day use him to bring the Dark Curse to the Enchanted Forest. Of course she also needed a safety valve should the dark power become to strong, so she crated the knife that could control or kill the Dark One.

This is why she knows about the dagger and could tell August all about it. If you look at the events in “The Return”, August talks to Mother Superior. Why would he talk to a nun? What possible help could she be to him in this situation? He knows who she is and my guess is, she knew too and was not affected by the curse.

I belive that Blue is the true mastermind behind the curse. She wanted all those people here for a specific reason. Maybe for the “Final Battle” we keep hearing about, maybe for something completely different. This is why she deliberately seperated Baelfire from Rumple and set in motion the the events that have come to pass since then.

But I also believe that she didn’t expect Emma to get Henry and even less for him to be the son of Bae and Emma. And as in all good fairytales, this somehow will spoil her masterplan in the end.

Ok enough rambling from my part, this is the crackpot theory I’m running with. 😛

- You know what the issue is with this world. Everyone wants a magical solution for their problems, and everyone refuses to believe in magic.” - Jefferson

[Chris]

I love this theory. I always though blue was a bit shady. I just posted in another thread that we never found out how August knew about Rumples knife. All he said was that a little fairy told him. But when and how did she know about the knife. They must have been communicating or that was part of her “preparations”? perhaps

Blue as the original power might just as well have brought forth the first Dark One and to get a possibility of destroying him should the whole affair not go to her plan, also may have created the knife. 😈

- You know what the issue is with this world. Everyone wants a magical solution for their problems, and everyone refuses to believe in magic.” - Jefferson

[Chris]

I agree with Daniel here. Henry would be way to obvious and a prophecy usually is ambigous and open to interpretation. What speaks against it though is that the Seer said “a young boy”. Pinocchio doesn’t really qualify as young when he found Neal.
Yet, he was young when he came through the wardrobe with Emma. If he hadn’t taken care of Emma, none of these events would have happened and Henry might have never been born.

This whole prophecy has a bit of a Macbeth feeling to it. As “undoing”, could also mean a fatal flaw. His newfound grandson, who is currently wanted by two of his old pupils, qualifies as that. Rumple is getting one more weakness Cora can exploit in her quest for power.

- You know what the issue is with this world. Everyone wants a magical solution for their problems, and everyone refuses to believe in magic.” - Jefferson

[Chris]

So Nealfire, huh. Well… what might be the real bombshell is that Neal and Bae are not the same person, cause that is what everyone is thinking. Perhaps Bae and Neal are both in New York and we’ve got a case of mistaken identitiy.
I guess we will have to sit and wait.

- You know what the issue is with this world. Everyone wants a magical solution for their problems, and everyone refuses to believe in magic.” - Jefferson

[Chris]

A captain would be translated as “Hauptmann” in German and suprise, there is is a “Hauptmann-Hermann-Straße” in Klagenfurt. Named that way, in rememberance of Johann Hermann von Hermannsdorf (a captain in the Austrian Emperor’s army). Don’t know if this is of significance.

There is also the town of Metz in Lorraine, France near the German border. Its coat of arms is a black and white! shield.

- You know what the issue is with this world. Everyone wants a magical solution for their problems, and everyone refuses to believe in magic.” - Jefferson

[Chris]

@medchen wrote:

Maybe Her is Ursula and Greg is one of the little eel spies.

Good thought, I love your theory. Since they are called Flotsam and Jetsam in the movie, Flotsam would be very fitting for Greg if we consider the way he arrived in Storbrook. If he was one of them, it would also make him to a true outsider in the best sense of the word as he not only came from outside Storybrook but the morays were outsiders in “Little Mermaid” too.

@slurpeez108 wrote:

… with my theory that HER stands for Her Evil Royalty (a reference to the band HIM when on tour in the USA). If Greg serves an evil monarch, as I suspect he may, his reporting to a phone number associated with the word castle could be a big hint in that direction.

I really would love Ursula to appear on the show, she is one of my all-time favorite Disney villains. In the Broadway version and I belive in an early draft of the movie as well, she was imagined as Triton’s sister, which would maker her evil royalty. That would fit nicely into your theory slurpeez. 😀

- You know what the issue is with this world. Everyone wants a magical solution for their problems, and everyone refuses to believe in magic.” - Jefferson

[Chris]

Earlier today, I was thinking of Frankenstein and scienence, so I did a bit of math. (Not my strong suit so correct me if I did a mistake in the equation)
If you take the Letters K and FL as their respective elements in the periodic table, you get Kalium (19) and Flerovium (114). Add them together and you get 133. Now taking the rest of the licencse plate into account it looks somewhat like that:

2×133+138= 404

404, is a dead link.

Could it be that the driver of that car was someone who was thought lost by his brother (a dead link to the past) or maybe even resurected. Pennsylvania might have been choosen because ouf the resamblance to Transylvania.

- You know what the issue is with this world. Everyone wants a magical solution for their problems, and everyone refuses to believe in magic.” - Jefferson

[Chris]

Apart from the obvious reasons, him lacking the key ingredient for the curse and perhaps his feas of paying the price, I think that there is a whole different layer to this that we have not seen yet.

Rumple as the Dark One is a master schemer, he had his fingers in almost every Fairytale so far. He wove a net of deals and counterdeals and all he had to do was pull strings to set events into motion. Why? Rumple is also the creator of the curse, he could easily have fashioned it in a way that required different ingredients, like a true love potion. The Dark Curse was fuled by true love, that was what gave it its power, Rumplestiltskin has made that potion before what hindered him of making it again and using it for casting the curse himself? There has to be another motive there.

- You know what the issue is with this world. Everyone wants a magical solution for their problems, and everyone refuses to believe in magic.” - Jefferson

[Chris]

Good thoughts Slurpeez.

I also think she’s on to Mr. Gold, and won’t fall for his manipulations like Regina did. Emma isn’t vulnerable like Regina was, because Emma has her family.

Yet, there is that favor Mr. Gold is owed. He could easily make Emma use her magic for something big so he doesn’t have to pay the price.

Also, when Nealfire enters the picture, he’s going to be dead set against anyone using magic.

If Neal actually is Bae. Sorry I’m not convinced yet. I still think it would be to convenient. And although Henry’s father may be set against the use of magic, how exactly would Bae be able to stop someone like say Cora from leading Henry into temptation. Even Rumple might not be able to help as Regina so apptly pointed out, he has a weakness now, two if you count Bae.

Also, while Henry seems curious about good magic like fairy dust, he’s against dark magic and what it does to those who wield it.

Who said that fairy dust was good magic? All the Blue Fairy, of all people, said about it was that “Its magic is what powers the world”. No word about good or evil. We have seen that it can be used to create realy destructive energies when Mr. Gold and Regina sealed the well. Henry surely would use magic if it presented itself as his only option. I’m sure he would use it to keep Emma or his Grandparents from harm. Would he use fairy dust then, which he perhaps thinks is an instrument of good? Surely. Just a nudge or two from Mother Superior, like she did with Rumple and the Curse would be enough.

Speaking of the Blue Fairy, I just had another look at the scene where she stopped the arrows. She looked rather pleased that Snow decided to spare the Queen’s life. Out of compassion or because of a more sinister plan?

- You know what the issue is with this world. Everyone wants a magical solution for their problems, and everyone refuses to believe in magic.” - Jefferson

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