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I would like to see Hook have some sort of motivation that isn’t directly tied to Emma. For example, Charming looking for his father’s potential murderer. That has nothing to do with Snow but it could tie him to a villain they just introduced…..my cookies are on black fairy being the murderer. I’m also sticking to my theory of Hook’s mother also being Black Fairy, making Rumple and Hook brothers. That would tie Hook to the main villain in the second half, and it literally pins everyone against this woman which could lead to the final battle. You have Rumple and Hook hating their mother for abandoning them, Charming hating her for killing his father, and Emma trying to fight for her life against Gideon who was raised by the black fairy to be evil. Sounds like a final battle to me. I could even see a rehash of the finale of 3A instead this time, Hook and Rumple sacrifice themselves together as brothers to save the town.
If anyone is sacrificing themselves it would be Rumple. I don’t see Hook having to make the ultimate sacrifice. He already made it last season. Rumple has been a piece of crap ever since his sacrifice in 3A. Rumple should be the one to make the sacrifice, nobody else.
I don’t see Hook and Emma not getting a happy ending on this show. At all. They’ve clearly been built as “endgame” and they’re gonna get a happy ending. Otherwise what was the point of the entire S5 season?
Personally in my opinion either Regina or Rumple will die before the show wraps. I’m leaning more towards Regina cause she’ll leave nothing behind whereas Rumple would be leaving a baby boy. The only way Regina will not die is if Zelena dies in her place and she will take full costody of Robyn.
As for the murderer I say King George.
[adrotate group="5"]<p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1.5em; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.74902);”>I’d like Emma and Hook to break up (at least temporarily)</p>
That’s never gonna happen. No matter how much some people will want it, it will never happen.
Really upset about the origin of Emma’s tattoo not being ever shown. I hope that was just about this season and not the entire series.
What do we need a million flashbacks to Regina’s time as EQ, and we get barely any for Emma the titular character?
Also this whole thing reads to me that they don’t know yet if it’s the last season or not. Which at the time made sense, seeing as this took place the first week of December.
If it’s the final season there’s gonna be a wedding, if it isn’t it’ll be held back till next season and they’ll just get CS engaged by the end.
<p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1.5em; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.74902);”>Do you think thats enough to keep the audience invested in him?</p>
Just cause you don’t like him don’t make the assumption that audience is not invested in him already. He’s one of the most popular characters on the show for a reason.
And no that’s not a minority opinion, go have a look on social media. Sure he’s divisive, like Regina but that’s part of what makes them so popular.
<p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1.5em; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.74902);”>Even Henry telling Hook that he genuinely doesn’t care for him, according to Michael, is false because the writers said so. I don’t buy that. I’m sure that was exactly how Henry felt deep down inside.</p>
<p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1.5em; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.74902);”>But ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Hook must be held in high regard by all.</p><p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1.5em; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.74902);”>So you’re taking a S4A quote as canon and ignoring what happened on the show and with that relationship in 4B,5, and 6. Interesting. Definitely makes sense.</p>
EDIT to shorten: The darkness didn’t brainwash him, it didn’t force him to do any of that. His own feelings and emotions did. Hook is still responsible for his actions. He was so angry at Emma he was willing and had the power to send her to hell for she did. Being the dark one doesn’t take away his accountability any more than it should from Rumpel and all the crap he’s putting everyone through since he’s still the dark one.
Agree to disagree I guess. The way I see it, Hook begged Emma not to make him a DO. Bc he knew what would happen if she did. He knew he wouldn’t be as strong as her. He knew if he tasted the darkness again, he wouldn’t be able to control himself. But Emma still did, to save his life obviously, but there are consequences and Hook still had demons in him he was fighting and the darkness latched onto it and Nimue in particular was using his weakness for lust and revenge against him. She was manipulating and tricking him until the very end. I just do not blame Hook for everything. The way the show presented itself, it made us feel like the darkness grabs hold of your weakest traits and exposes them for the world to see. I don’t think we were supposed to look at all of that and think, man Hook is truly a horrible person deep down. I think you were supposed to look at it like, man no wonder why it was taking Hook so long to come around as a good person, he has so much hate buried deep down, we have to save him before he destroys the entire town (due to the darkness)!!! I cannot emphasize more that Hook wouldn’t have done any of those things if he didn’t become the DO which he specifically told Emma not to do. But again, it’s debatable, so agree to disagree.
I completely agree with you and yet another case and point of the obvious double standard in this fandom. They hold Hook to incredibly high standards knowing that he won’t meet them just so they can continue to bash and hate on him.
This is actually interesting.. I didnt know Hook was a more divisive character than so many others, but from this convo Im assuming he is. Perhabs its different because he isnt one of the main characters. And then, because he is so intertwined with Emma’s story, fans want to “figure him out” so to speak… and then if you dont like what you see you speak up more loudly if you are a Emmma fan and you want to look out for her. Also Hook fans are trying to look out for him. I think the writers arent very interested in him and, Im sorry but I can relate to that, because what I think is the problem for him is- That the writing only sees him as someone to relate to Emma’s overall storyline. Because “she needs happiness and that means a boyfriend” (well appearently)… Then the writing doesnt care about Hook as a character on his own,, but they still are trying to “pretend” he is a main character, by giving him central storylines/episodes centered on his “very impportant” story….. I never was a Hook fan Ive always found him boring.. there was nothing for me to latch on too in his story. But to some fans there was that factor to latch on too. I really doo think it comes down too- the writers, I think they, like me and others, havent latched on to Hook,, so the writing didnt give him a story that would bring in the “other side” that is why he is so divisive within the fandom.
It may not seem like it but out of all the males Hook has the most screentime still with over 90 minutes. It’s not fair though cause aside from 4 episodes he along w/ Emma and others has been mostly background but you would think Rumple would be the one with all the screentime. What with how many times we’ve had to see disgusting scenes feat. EQ and him making out.
Hook and Regina are both divisive characters, and easily the most popular characters on the show. This coming from someone online with resources that hates Hook. Admits that he and Regina are the most popular characters.
If you honestly think that Regina is not hated in many factions of the fandom then may I suggest going to other forums or social media?
You’ll see that Regina is not as loved as you think she is. Much like Hook she has many people that love her and just as many people that hate her.
Oh there are huge similarities between them in this relationship. A (literal) lost boy….a lost girl….both sent away from their families…one a child of dark magic…the other a child of light magic…who found each other even though they were centuries apart, connected through fate and destiny, have a story and relevance that exists outside of one another and were original characters to the series…..Oh wait….
Thanks for proving to me that you’re clearly still bitter about what happened to Neal and SF even though it was literally 3 years ago.
season 3B again, where they all went back to the Enchanted Forest. See, Regina didn’t revert back to the Evil Queen and start terrorizing people. She stayed with her family and tried to help the issue they were facing. Hook up and abandoned everyone and went back to…being a pirate.. Oh, but hey at least he’s not sleeping around anymore because he loves Emma, so hes a good guy afterall, guys. He only did something heroic when he believed it would get him back to Emma. That’s the only thing driving his character
I wouldn’t say he went back to being a pirate considering the fact that he had no ship. He was just desperate for some sense of familiarity after losing Emma and thinking that would be it. He stayed true to his word though and even when his crew offered him company he denied it because he was in love.
And furthermore if you want to bring up 3B don’t twist things please. Hook came back through trading the thing he viewed as his home for over 300 years all for the sake of the chance of finding Emma and reuniting her with her family. That was the goal. It had nothing to do with winning Emma.
Are we forgetting how long it took Hook to tell Emma how he found her? How he got to her? In fact all throughout the season he avoided the question until in the season finale Emma asked him. If it really was all about finding and getting w/ Emma he would not have hesitated in telling her how he did it but that wasn’t his intentions. His only intentions were reuniting her with her family and stopping the new threat.
And let us not forget what Henry’s true feelings of Hook are, as revealed through the shattered mirror curse.
Adam and Eddy already confirmed the shattered sight curse was not how they really felt and even so S5/S6 clearly showed that Henry does like Hook.
<p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1.5em; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.74902);”>Storylines? Which were what? He’s had dialog with them…he’s had scenes with them. What is Hook’s role in this season, let alone the show other than Emma? Let’s discuss that then I will address ur other points.</p>
<p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1.5em; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.74902);”>See, Regina is dealing with her inner darkness quite literally. Emma is dealing with what it means to be the savior. Rumpel….is addressing his issues as being a crappy father, husband, and all around bad guy. Whats Hook doing?</p>
<p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1.5em; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.74902);”>And just to prove my point, you are making every criticism about Hook as a character about ships. No, its not about Cs vs SQ. Its not about SF vs CS. For some it is, sure, but that’s not the entire fandom. It just seems like Hooks character exists solely because of CS, his entire function on this show is to be Emma’s boyfriend, and anyone saying he needs to be written better is taken as being a CS hater. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t see the appeal of the ship, but my issues with Hook go beyond that.</p>Yes he had episode storylines with Emma and Henry in 6×03. Which was the episode where Emma decided to ask Hook to move in with ehr</p>
6×06 was an episode which paralleled Hook longing for family and in the end finally being accepted into one with Henry and Emma. It focused heavily on the Henry and Hook relationship.</p>
6×04 focused on the Belle and Hook friendship, and showed how much Hook has grown as a character as well as Belle.</p>
If you don’t see this then IDK what to say.</p>
As far as Hook’s role on the show, it’s to be Emma’s kindred spirit. A lost boy much like her looking for a family and a place to call home which is basically what ALL of our characters storyline on the show is. Hook suffers and owns up to his mistake and knows that redemption is a long winding road and it takes lots of work. Hence why he wears the rings on his finger as a reminder to himself about the things he’s done in the past and to be a better man. He still to this day even though he does view himself as a hero he still has a hard time forgiving himself for his past deeds even if the people around him have already forgiven him. That is how you do a correct redemption arc and I’m not sure how he’s never payed for the things he’s done. He’s literally died for it.</p>You don’t see that with Regina and Rumple. With Regina you have her crimes literally being whitewashed. Oh the curse it was a good thing. Graham…who was that…rape nonsense. Oh she murdered and ruined countless lives….oh that wasn’t her that was The Evil Queen. It’s that kind of ridiculous crap that has her being a character a rarely can stand anymore. The fact that she blames this entity within her as the reason why she’s where she’s at is just a rehash of 4B albeit more poorly contructed and going nowhere.</p>
With Rumple…I mean it’s just disgusting what he’s done this past half. From the disgusting GQ, to the literal mental and verbal abuse of Belle.</p>
Oh but Hook killed Merlin, and the show has never brought that up again. Same way it has never been brought back up that Regina murdered and raped Graham, the death of Johanna, etc.</p>
I’m just saying just within your words alone the double standard is shining through.</p>
And sorry to say this but Hook’s role on this show is not to be Emma’s boyfriend. It’s to be her true love and kindred spirit. 🙂 He’s not simply a boyfriend and anybody that says as such is just bitter. He’s much more than that and going from spoilers, he’s likely to be a very different title soon.
<p style=”box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 1.5em; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.74902);”>Man do I agree with this. And I don’t even love Hook anymore. But that guy gets ridiculed more than anyone else it feels. Some of it is warranted. Much of it is an overreaction due to the nature of the character and him offending easily offended people.</p>
Actually I think most of this dislike of Hook can be summarised very simply. He gets in the way of a non-existent romantic relationship between Emma and Regina that is never going to happen and has been stated multiple times.
He also is blamed for the reason Neal died and SF which was a very small ship compared to CS in terms of popularity is still bitter to this day about Neal’s death and hates Hook/CS because of it.
Really being real this is literally what it comes down too.
I disagree that Regina generates as huge a divide as Hook because she was a fan favorite from day one. There are people who dislike her, but I wouldn’t say its a fandom wide war between those who love and those who hate her.
Clearly you’ve never been on social media nor have taken a peek at Adam’s twitter mentions daily. Cause it’s a war between Hook/Regina and CS/SQ fans daily.
BECAUSE SHES ONE OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS AND IS ACTUALLY MOVING THE STORY FORWARD.
Oh please what story!? There is no story this season. It’s a bunch of convoluted messes. Regina is just getting shoved down everyone’s throats not progressing anything. EQ is an absolute joke of a villain this season. She’s campy and a cartoon character, not the EQ from S1. The ONLY scene this season where we’ve seen that S1 vibe was Snow and EQ in the woods in 6×07.
Emma is basically in the background except when she needs to pat Regina on the back and assure her how perfect she is and how good of a person she is. Emma’s savior story is shoved in the background for this mess of a half season.
The only story in 6A was the toxic Rumbelle relationship, disgusting Golden Queen making out, EQ looking like an idiot, and Regina getting whitewashed of creating the curse.
Charming’s father? Nope benched cause we need more Regina
Untold Stories? LMAO wuts that, nah more Regina
Jekyll and Hyde? What more EQ and only used to tell us EQ can’t die without killing Regina.
Snowing’s curse? Only one can be awake while the other takes care of the kid
CS? Henry and Hook had an episode together as did SJF w/ Cinderella. They also helped out Belle in 6×09
Zelena? A waste of space, literally. She’s had like 30 minutes of screentime total, kill her off. She’s doing nothing.
That’s it. This season is not balanced, this half season is a joke. Every character aside from Regina and Rumple has zero storyline and it’s not even a good storyline w/ Rumple. Just want to punch him in the face.
With Regina, she has had her ups and downs, but she has been going the road of a hero for a long time and struggling along the way. She is acknowledging and trying to get past her dark past and evil ways.
So much so that she literally felt the need to rip it out of her.
Which is absolutely pathetic. You don’t blame your evil deeds on some evil entity in you. You’re responsible for what YOU do. She’s not acknowleding it at all and you just said it. She’s ripping out the “bad” part of her that did all those things.
Hook does not do that. Hook NEVER has done that. He always accepts the things he did in the past were his fault and he works to redeem himself for his past actions. He doesn’t rip out the “evil” part of him. His scene with Belle in 6×04 was a prime example of this. Even though she forgives him for what he did to her because he has changed he still can’t forgive himself.
What does Regina do? Oh that wasn’t me that was The Evil Queen. That’s not accepting the things you’ve done in the passed. That’s playing the victim and blaming some entity in you for doing the things you did.
Sorry, I need more than constantly reassuring Emma about stuff and making smexy eyebrows and quips to make an interesting character.
This season he’s had storylines with Emma, Henry, and Belle. He’s going to have one with Charming, and of course more CS.
