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You agreed with me for most of that post
They can call Victor’s world “Schnitzel World” for all I care. The point is, it will be reflective of what we, movie viewers, have come to think of Transylvania being
Is exactly what I said
so even though Frankie’s world looks like Tranyslyvania it’s not
The only part I disagree with you on is the name. They won’t call it Transylvania as they have avoided real place names so far. Mulan hasn’t said she’s Chinese or from China, Lancelot didn’t say he was British or from anywhere on Britain.
I personally think it’s a world full of Horror stories, similar to how the Enchanted Forrest is a land full of Fairytales. Horror Land may be what you and I perceive Transylvania to be, but it will never actually be called Transylvania, firstly because it mind offend people living in Transylvania.
Any story teller has the right to name any land anything they wish, but what they have done so far is go to great lengths to explicitly not mention real place names in Fairytaleland/Horrorland etc.
[adrotate group="5"]I agree it seems only big spells have a price.
Also just because you don’t recognise someone as your Prince, doesn’t mean you have a Prince of your own. Personally, I’m British so if I told the Queen of Denmark you’re not my Queen, you could assume oh he was talking about the Queen of England being his Queen.
But to the Americans on this site, if Prince Charles went over to the US, and started telling people in the street what to do, if one of them turned around and said remember you’re not our prince, that wouldn’t mean that they had their own Prince, it just means what it says on the tin, he’s not their/your prince.
Leopold never really seemed to care about Regina, as long as there’s she’s there at night to keep him warm I don’t think he cared about what she got upto. I think Regina probably married him out of a nowhere else to go mentality, or maybe Rumple asked her too?
It was Cora who said she couldn’t leave without the King, Leopold was never seen making such a demand.
@TheTrickster wrote:
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
Gypsy is right Trickster, Victor/Whale’s price is having to concede to magic. Man of science hates to concede to man of faith.
That was a price he paid to the wizard to get his arm back. I was thinking about the consecuences of having an arm attached by means of magic.
Actually it will be a bit disapointing if nothing happens after that. I mean, if that sort of magic comes without more consecuences than a pride damage, then magic doesn’t come with a price… Rumplestiltskin does. I also remember him telling Regina that the magic in the book was not good for health… and re attach a dead arm is not bad?
As I said before, I’m most than probably wrong. But leave Whale with his arm again without problems of any kind is a bit simple. At least in my opinion. but Again I’m most than probably wrong.We’ve seen lots of instances of magic used without a price. Every time a heart is ripped out, everytime vines wrap someone up, everytime someone is knocked off their feet by someone waving their hand, where is the price that is paid?
It’s only the really big spells that come at a price. Even then a lot of them don’t have any real price other than Rumple asking for something in return for his own means, if he wanted to he could do it for free, as he has done occasionally from time to time.
I think they avoid using actual place names for a reason. Belle isn’t mentioned to be French. Lancelot said he comes from a Kingdom, didn’t say United Kingdom. Also you kind of argue against your own point.
if we ever see her backstory, her land will look very medieval China, but it won’t be CHINA
You’re right, so even though Frankie’s world looks like Tranyslyvania it’s not and I doubt it will ever be called that. If we ever see Lancelot’s kingdom they will probably throw in some dated British stereotype, like the accent that no one actually speaks in, or bad teeth etc, but it won’t be Britian and will never be called Britain. (Camelot maybe, but they won’t mention where it is)
@Marilou wrote:
First off, the show does a lot of slut shamming. They often paint sexually active women that are not married in a negative light. The only two example that comes to mind right now are Emma who had a child out of wedlock was a thief and to look at it from another angle, Ruby use to be very out there with her outfit and her attitude but since she has become more important in the second season they have covered her up… A LOT.
They do exactly the same to Men, such as Dr Whale, who was portrayed in a negative light for his attitudes to women.
Another point that has bothered me or a little while about the place of women on this show is that they are all looking for their “happy ending” and somehow, the only way to achieve that goal, is to find a men, settle down, get married and start poppin’ babies.
Again it’s the same for the Male cast, Rumple, Prince Charming, they just want to be with their true loves as well. Most people’s idea of a happy life is finding true love. Whether it be a man/woman gay/straight whatever.
I don’t want to go too much in depth on the topic, but the only reason these women are being oh! so strong on the show are extremely conservatives ones (protecting my child, finding my husband, running from the men who wants to kill me, seeking revenge for my long lost lover). It seems like a women cannot be heroic just for the sake of being a hero, they always need a justification that is “christian friendly”.
I’m sorry I didn’t know “protecting my child” was an exclusively Conservative ideal??? Do non-conservatives not want to protect their children? Guess I must be a Conservative then as I love my family. Also Once Upon A Time is very Unchristian, I doubt the devout followers of any religion would be too happy with it. Magic, demons, children out of marriage, etc The show has done well to avoid any mention or reference to religion so far. Closest they got to religion was a vague reference to the Holy Grail from Arthurian legend.
literature and movies often likes to portray male murderers or serial killer in a very clinical matter. This approach almost makes them seem fun and entertaining. That sort of writing does not happen a lot for female characters, usually when a women does something morally reprehensible, it is an act of passion or if they dare go the sociopath route, they will go in lengths about her past and how she got to be that way and OUaT is no exception.
Like they’re doing with Regina you mean? How she was the villain but now we’re all made to side with her, and feel sorry for her.
In conclusion, does OUaT have a prominently female cast? sure! Are these women portrayed in a positive light? I guess. Is Once Upon a Time helping and furthering the cause of women? Not really, under those shining armors and impressive swords, it would appear that all the OUaT women want to do is go back in the kitchen and give birth to future princes and princesses.
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Are you even watching the same show??? Do Emma and Mulan really seem like “want to go back to the kitchen and have babies” type of people to you???
I think the show does the exact opposite of what you’re saying, it’s showing that women can have it all and be both, take Regina, she’s shown to be a good cook and a mother of Henry, but she’s also this powerful ruler who runs an entire Kingdom/town.
Even Snow who is traditionally a girly princess, is shown to be smart, as well as a warrior more than capable of defending herself.
@beautyistruth wrote:
Also I hate to pull the race card, but I’ve always felt that Mulan is there because they wanted a token Asian character. Oh, who’s the one Asian princess? Mulan! Let’s just bring her in. That’s one meta-reason I don’t think she’ll turn out to be a traitor. I do hope they start doing something with her character, though…
A black woman has never been since on Once Upon A Time, maybe the first will be the one from Princess and the Frog?
I don’t think they can call it Transylvania as it’s a real place. Transylvania is a state/region in Romania, just as Scotland is a State/region in the UK, and Ohio is a State/region in the US.
When Lancelot mentioned his land, it wasn’t called Britain, it will just go unnamed similar to Lancelot’s Kingdom.
I don’t think Cora/Hook will get back to SB until the series finale. I believe the cliff hanger similar to the purple smoke in season 1, will be cora taking her first steps in SB.
