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As for the Heaven Realm….I see it as being one huge world, where everything is there for everyone! You have amusement parks and the real world for people like Neal, you have the wide open seas for people like Liam, Mount Olympus is surely the capital of this realm and is for people like Hercules & Meg, and you have castles, estates, mansions and innumerable wealth for people like Cora & Henry Sr.
YES! Many people in the Christian faith beleive that this is what heaven is like. A world where things you can never imagine occur. Colors and sounds never seen or heard before. I can see the OUAT “heaven” having all the worlds together with all the “magic” , technology and creatures from all worlds, which would just be amazing to people from each world who have never witnessed things from the other worlds.
I haven’t read this full thread because I’m late and it’s a bit TL;DR, so sorry if I repeat something.
At first I was upset Cora didn’t get swallowed up by the fire, but I think there is a larger message, one that Christian people and spiritual people may recognize.
Anyone who seeks forgiveness can be forgiven. Everything they’ve done in the past gets washed away. That is what happened to Cora, as terrible, terrible, terrible as she was. She FINALLY sought genuine redemption and forgiveness.
Maybe that is also the point of the Underworld. It’s a place for you to not only finish unfinished business, but this process leads some people, who are deserving, to a path of redemption and salvation.
And what would her pack be doing in Oz, of all places?? I didn’t realize this was such a poorly constructed story line.
We haven’t decided how we’re handling it yet. But all conversations here at the forums are open so long as they abide by our rules.
No offense, but why not handle it like you’d handle any other piece of material on the show? (This is purely a rhetorical question, btw, so feel free to ignore it). I mean this season pretty much takes place in hell so…
Also, I hope the Podcast does the story line justice and discusses it with grace and dignity. There is really no overlooking this one.
I’m late to this discussion but..
Am I the only one who likes the relationship? It was random and from left field, but I think that was the point. It was a bit of a surprise/ twist. I think the writers knew the audience just had it all figured out that Mulan was this lesbian who was destined for love even though her sexuality was never confirmed. I would love it if it turned out Mulan was actually straight and had a crush on the Prince and not Aurora the whole time!
Why not Mulan?
At the end of the day we really don’t know why they decided to ignore Mulan again.
I’ve been reading a several theories and have some of my own:
*She’s a beloved Disney princess and is probably protected by Disney, while Dorothy and Red are minor and more universal. They were the safe choice.
*She’s a POC. Notice that NO POC has ever found true love on this show. The closest is probably Merlin and Nimuae, but look how that ended. One complaint I personally have with the show is how they treat POCs, not to mention LGBT. Despite being a Disney Princess, Mulan will never be on the same level or status as the main cast. She barely, if ever interacts with them. Ruby is less of a hero than Mulan, yet is consistently “in” with the main cast. Her falling in love and we the audience adoring it probably comes across as more attainable than using Mulan.
*Mulan and Ruby Slippers (my ship name) are tokens. The main cast are run of the mill attractive straight white people. Anyone else is there to make them look good. Period. That’s how American TV works. Dorothy and Red’s relationship is a token to appease and entice, much like some of the other minority characters in the show. In that sense, it doesn’t matter who falls in love with who, they serve their main purpose of representing a minority group, while staying out of the way of the others.
*Or it could be that Mulan’s purpose was to show unrequitted love. Her story line serves one purpose for explaining love, while Ruby and Dorothy serves another. Ruby and Dorothy have a reciprocal love, while Mulan represents a lonely passion. Making her finally fall in love would ruin that aspect of her character.
*Or it could be a casting decision. Perhaps Red and Dorothy had more chemistry. Maybe the actress playing Mulan could not commit to further episodes to do the ship justice.Because it’s a Sunday 8pm family shown run by Disney.
I’ve seen abortion dealt with on tv shows targeted to children, well, teens, and we’re talking about a show that current takes place in the underworld, filled with affairs and such.
But yes, I agree with MatthewPaul, Disney is probably too afraid to go that route. They will probably save the baby through screenwriting magic. But it is the most logical response.
