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You, me, and Henry… We’re a family.
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Slurp, I had a similar theory at the top of this page, and honestly, the whole Hook choosing the dark offer from Zelena was part of it, but I chose not to post it.. for those reasons haha! But yes, it makes sense too, considering some of the other quotes and spoilers we’ve gotten about someone who has tried to redeem themselves going “back” or whatever .
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Perhaps if he is captured by the WW, she temps him with a dark way to get his family back. When he refuses, she turns him onto a flying monkey :/ I have the utmost confidence in our eternal optimist; our confident , good hearted Nealfire.
On another note:::
PAAAARRTTYYY ALL NIGHT LONGGGGG
That’s the thing about calling people delusional and acting like they know everything when they know just as much as us…the key is, nobody knows anything!! So be humble, state your opinions and theories, but by golly there’s NO WAY to be sure!! So why treat people (US) like we are stupid in delusional!?!?! WE DONT KNOW A THANG AND IT IS WONDERFULLLLLLLLI LOVE THIS THREAD AND I LOVE TODAY AND I LOVE YOU ALL TOOOOOO
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This is seriously me right now, except with BOOMS
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I wanted to write up my “Why I Started Shipping SwanFire” post last night but got distracted by all the shiny new episodes of my other fave shows (Nashville = winning), but hopefully I can write that up tonight before two more of my fave shows come back on (Grey’s & Scandal = winning). I feel like writing that out would be therapeutic for me at this point, LOL
I look forward to reading it!!
YES YES YESSSS I was just coming in to post this… so brilliant!
And ultimately why I still have #hope. A and E are storytellers first and foremost. They’ve been telling the story of Emma Swan getting her life back since S1. And dealing with Neal and their issues is a HUGE (huge huge huge huge) part of that, so even if Neal dies someday, it can’t be in 316. I mean…come on. How do you go and kill a character before they manage to resolve ANYTHING between him and Emma, him and Henry, him and Rumple even!
Oh man, now I feel some pressure….RG wants to read my essay, LOL
I can’t get over how many people think the ‘big death’ happens in 3×16 just because they filmed in a graveyard at night one time. They filmed at night for like a week and a half or something back then so who knows what all was going on with the story. Forget the fact that they’ve actually filmed in that area several times in the past and those scenes weren’t funerals (or even deaths) at all. I remember all of us thinking Granny was a goner back in S2 from set photos and it makes me laugh now how people take things like random pictures (most of which weren’t even taken while filming IIRC) and turn them into something that they might want to see instead of thinking about any other scenarios. And for the record, I think that there’s NO WAY Neal is dying at all this season if we’re all ready up to episode 3×19 and we still seem to be without any noticeable SwanFire interactions. Emma as a character will come to a screeching halt in the character development department without resolutions to all of the things in her past. We know she still hasn’t totally dealt with her parents abandonment so how on earth is she supposed to deal with her and Neal’s history if he’s not even in the same realm as her right now?! My bet again is that he’s in Oz trying to help his father…seems more and more likely as things start adding up. There’s also no way that can be done in a short amount of episodes either so if he somehow gets back to them in SB before the end of the season (say, episode 3×20 ish), there’s only three episodes left to deal with all that history and given that the WW is probably going to be causing even more drama/destruction than ever by that point, I’m thinking the SawnFire resolution will not be happening much, if at all, this season but their reunion could at least get the ball rolling and set up future stuff for them. I don’t know. I may just be rambling at this point but the more things start adding up from actual FACTS that we know from that first episode, the more convinced I am that Neal isn’t going anywhere. RG is right, these guys are great storytellers, and they’ve used a lot of words to describe SwanFire that aren’t things to be taken lightly nor are they things that are easily resolved in a few episodes. I think the slow burn is exactly what their plan is and although it sucks that we haven’t gotten much in the MRJ photo department, I think the story overall may make that worthwhile in the end. Random head canon from a bored person at work: Neal has been in Oz for most of season 3B trying to rescue his father but he discovers that he needs help from everyone else (especially Belle) in order to truly save his father from Zelena. In episode 3×19 or 3×20, he figures out a way to SB via some type of portal (maybe he finds the shoes?) and starts trying to find Emma and the others in town. Before Neal can get to them though, Zelena discovers that he’s escaped and sends Walsh, her head monkey, after him to stop him from telling them everything he knows about her and Oz. Walsh bites Neal and starts the process to turn him into a monkey too and once Neal realizes what’s happening, and he sees Walsh’s face after he turns back into human form, he runs away to hide in the forest because he knows eventually he won’t be able to tell them anything now. He decides that if he can’t tell them anything, he’ll help them the only way he can by protecting them from the other monkeys and from Zelena’s plan (which I can’t figure out at this point, LOL). In the midst of a random attack on a crowd of people, one bad monkey goes for Emma but is taken out by Neal who swoops in to save her. She thinks she’s been captured but instead he drops her off on the beach away from the insanity, kind of pats her to make sure she’s okay, and then flies off the opposite direction of the other monkeys making Emma wonder why this one is different from the others. Emma being Emma decides to go find out more about him and once she finds him hiding in the forest, through a series of yes/no questions she figures out that Neal is the monkey who saved her and also sees that he’s desperately trying to hold onto his humanity by helping them out the only way he can at that time. Emma swears they’ll save him but in another random attack the next day, Neal is trying to protect them all again and the other monkeys turn on him (per Zelena’s orders who’s figured out who he is and now wants him destroyed) and he falls to the ground badly injured. Emma runs to him and asks someone to call an ambulance (prompting what could be my favorite line from anyone ever, “I have to call 911 for a monkey?!”). She’s holding onto him and telling him that help is on the way but Neal is shaking because he knows he’s badly hurt and probably dying. Emma tells him to hold on for her and when he starts fading away, she admits that she loves him and while crying kisses his face….prompting Neal’s monkey curse to end in a blaze of yellow light (hello Oz reference) because we all know TLK will break ANY curse. He realizes that she actually was able to save him and they share EPIC HUG #3 while everyone watches amazed (including Hook at this point if he’s still alive and maybe it’s here he realizes that he has to do right by Nealfire now and make sure he gets to be with his family). Neal fills them in on what he knows (including that Walsh isn’t who they all thought after seeing a photo of him on Emma’s phone) and they all form a plan to defeat the WW and rescue his father which leads us into the final two episodes of the season. Hopefully you guys are able to appreciate how weird and dorky that felt to write (I can’t believe I used the word monkey so much in this theory, LOL) but DANGIT, it could actually work somehow, LOL 
I will now be calling a therapist and set up a session with them because clearly I have totally lost it. #HopeforSwanFire All I can do is think about how sweet that sounds <3 can you even believe there is a show out there that has these types of possibilities? LOL Oh man... it's very humorous that we are getting genuine feels over monkey kisses. Oh A & E! But aww, what a way to find out TLK![/spoiler]
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My god. Someone find me this person so I can give them an award for “the most accurate thing on the internet.”
here’s the thing about swanfire and character development. for emma, neal (in her life in any capacity) is the hard choice. because hard choices and nuanced, complex, emotionally difficult relationships don’t always come wrapped in leather and soaked in a hero/villian dichotomy. sometimes it’s knowing that if you’re capable of love and being loved so much, you’re capable of the opposite as well. sometimes it’s knowing that love doesn’t protect you from crappy things happening, that sometimes love can take away pain, but sometimes love and pain coexist. emma puts up walls to keep herself from getting hurt. it’s one of the first things we learn about emma swan. she’s been so hurt by not having people there— her parents, neal, having to give up henry— that it’s easier to just not let them in anymore. emma’s season 1 arc culminated in her fully accepting her role in henry’s life— going from barely being able to call him by name in the pilot to an i love you, and i think her overall emotional arc is similar— it’s Emma Swan Learns to Deal With Her Crap. Emma loves Neal. Emma will probably always love Neal. Emma was scared by the fact that not only did she never stop loving him, but he never stopped loving her, and they still went through all this crap. That hurts and it’s scary and him being back in her life means she can’t shut down as the past. For Emma, being able to reconcile the relationship they had, the hurt they went through, and any current relationship— friendship, romantic, even strictly co-parenting— means taking down those walls and dealing with things. That’s not a thing that’s easy, but it’s something I think is the cornerstone of Emma’s development in every major relationship in her life. for neal, emma’s a gamechanger. emma’s the thing in his life that makes him want to tear down the lesson we saw him learn as baelfire: you can create all the connections you want, but ultimately, you’re going to be alone. neal is very, very, very resilient. his father becomes this monster, he finds a way out of it. his father abandons him and he’s left alone on the streets, he’s taken in by the darlings and is able to consider them family. he leaves the darlings to protect their family, is taken in by Hook and is eventually able to trust him as a father figure. He’s turned over to the lost boys by Hook, and he manages to hold on to enough hope to find a way out of Neverland. He finds Emma and plans to make a home with her, and surprise, she’s got to break a curse that’ll lead her to the family she’s always been looking for—her real home. and this is what breaks him. the next time he attempts to move on, with tamara, it’s not the same type of moving on— he hurt emma, he lost that connection, he doesn’t get it back, it’s stupid to think he could want it back. i do think he thought he could have some kind of a good life with her, but i think it was a result of a much more jaded form of resilience. 3A broke that down. Neal opened s3 with the determination to get back to the family he should have had. and he closed it losing them again. But this time he says it’s not over. I’ll see you both again. And I think ultimately, that’s what his arc is about—learning to be 14 year old Baelfire fighting to stay with his family again. tl;dr, but for me this is why it works narratively— because they’re ultimately built into each other’s arcs and their relationship is based on actual, mutual, simultaneous character development.
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(edited for language issues) *insert a million GIFS of people clapping*YES YES YESSSS I was just coming in to post this… so brilliant!
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In light of the set reports of Colin and Henry filming together in the diner after Emma and Henry have an argument, there are a few things that came to my mind. I loved the scene in 2×21 where Hook is running out on everyone and remembering Baelfire makes him turn around. I think that if Henry is acting out and their family is still in shambles because of everything that is happening, this conversation with Hook could parallel young Bae with Hook in NL. We’ve all discussed why Hook would sacrifice his life for this family…He’s torn this family apart more than once, and we still haven’t seen a resolution of him betraying Bae. “You tore apart my family” is what Baelfire said, and it wouldn’t be the last time. Working with Cora in the EF and in SB, stabbing Rumple, working with GOAT to torture Regina, abandoning everyone in a doomed SB… His love for Milah made him want a life with Bae, which is understandable, but he was unwilling to choose family and love over his revenge. In a way, his revenge wasn’t even about Milah anymore. Because he could have taken care of an abandoned kid, MILAH’S son, who was willing to look past the whole pirate thing. But the revenge just took him over.
So we all already see where this story could be going in terms of Hook sacrificing himself. But what will it be that triggers it? Will this talk with Henry be something that leads up to that? When he just says enough is enough? “This is my tribute to Milah: Saving her family…”?
Anyway. Just my thoughts this morning… not really a theory really. Just ponderings.
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In the last two pictures, Snow and Emma are wearing what they wore in A Land Without Magic/Broken. I know they reuse their coats and such but it just caught my eye 🙂
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I’m sorry… These 3 things don’t make for a credible source.
Like, if you 1. Choose tumblr as a viable source for releasing your top secret spoilers
2. Have only vague things to say, particularly word for word what we’ve ALREADY GOTTEN from news sites, like TVGuide…yeah… that’s pretty much what this person is using to answer questions…
3. Have Taylor Swift as your icon (nothing against Taylor, just saying…)I remember learning as early as elementary school about credible and legitimate sources. I’m not going to throw everything out the window about legitimate sources and hang my head and be sad like CSers are telling me to be. I TOTALLLY understand how it is disappointing some of you. I totally get it! Hugs to you all!
But they’re trying to tell us that ONLY THEM or US can be happy in the premiere. But guess what? We’re all going to have things we enjoy and things we like. It’s not going to be devastating for us like they’re trying to say. Because THIS ISN’T THE END. This isn’t even CLOSE to the end.
I’m so proud of you guys and this thread. So positive, never putting anyone down. And we rarely utter a word about the opposite ship. We keep the focus on the love. And what we love. We’re along for the ride and I’m so glad to be on this ride together <3 [/spoiler]Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.
