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@hjbau wrote:
I actually think that the only reason people find Rumpel a sympathetic villian is because he is male. I think that he is just as evil as Regina maybe even more so because he is behind the curse. And i think that he was still evil before he became the dark one whereas Regina seemed to be kind and want happiness and freedom for herself. I think that both Rumpel and Regina are evil characters and i think the reason that Regina is given so much grief is quite simple, Regina is female and Rumpel is male.
I don’t think that’s entirely fair. To say that our views are based entirely on sex, gender and attraction is a little offensive. Of course, there are people who do base their views on gender and attraction, but not everyone does that. We’ve actually had extremely detailed conversations with you about how we feel about this character, and we have both used solid examples to back up both of our arguments. So, diminishing our views by saying it’s all based on gender kind of makes me feel that our discussions and opinions aren’t appreciated and shouldn’t be taken into consideration.
Even though you and I disagree on a lot of things, I thought we at least had a respect for each other. That’s why I always always respond to your posts in this thread. I want to show you the respect of acknowledging your viewpoints as valid. But as time passes, I’m beginning to think that we’re just talking in circles. We’ll never really convince each other by our separate arguments. You believe Rumpel was born evil and will die evil. I on the other hand, believe that he will be redeemed and will try to better himself. And I don’t see neither of us budging from those positions. 🙁
[adrotate group="5"]Welcome to the forums, Ms. Pixie. 😀 Glad to have you here! And don’t worry, your English is beautiful. 😀
I agre with you that his human side tends to be “cherished” more than his evil side by his fans. But I think a lot of his fans (me included) do that because we want to see the good in him. We want to see him be redeemed because he NEEDS to be redeemed. You’re right, he’s done a lot of terribly evil things. But that is why I feel that he needs to prove himself and turn his life around in order to begin his redemption arc. So yes, as fans we do tend to only look at his human side. But it’s only because we want to see a glimmer of hope in him. and so far that glimmer has been Baelfire and Belle. The Blue Fairy said it best, Baelfire is that last glimmer of goodness in his heart. And that was proven to be true in last week’s episode.
And I also think that Mr. Gold was on the track of turning his life around in last week’s episode “The Return.” When he gave August the knife, he did as a sign that he was finally ready to give up his power and live a quiet life with his son. But when Mr. Gold figured out that August wasn’t his son, he reverted back to his old ways out of anger.
It’s only been one season and judging by the ratings, it will be one of many. So, we still have a lot of story to tell with his character. 😉
@PriceofMagic wrote:
I think Baelfire could be dead. He went through the portal to a land without magic centuries before the curse took effect. Of course it could be argued that he travelled through time but it would be more tragic if he was dead. Just imagine, everything Rumpel has done from the moment Bae disappeared was to get Bae back. He got more power, he created a curse, for 28 years he’s been stuck in Storybrooke and still no Baelfire. He thought August was his son and he got his hopes up but it was not to be. Rumpel blamed the blue fairy for taking his son and didn’t like it when she told him that he drove Baelfire away. Rumpel has been fixated on getting Baelfire back but perhaps it is already too late. His cowardice has really cost Rumpel the things he loved most and he has laid the blame on other people (blue fairy for baelfire/Belle’s father for Belle) rather than himself. The only way Rumpel will become human again is if he learns to let go of Baelfire which means letting go of his power which is what Baelfire wanted in the first place, for Rumpel to become human again.
I still can’t get over what the Blue Fairy said. She called the vortex a “time hole.” That’s an obvious clue that Baelfire may still be alive.
@hjbau wrote:
Though i am not a fan of time travel, as long as they don’t travel back in time and change something, then they don’t have to worry too much about it. If it is just this one hop by one character then they can get away with it without causing too many issues.
I agree. 😉 As long as the time traveling doesn’t reverse or undo something from the past, then I’ll be fine. I don’t want any of the current storylines to be in vain. 🙁
What are the real ingrediants to the curse?
Who’s Henry’s father?
What happened to Baelfire?
What’s behind the doors inside of Jefferson’s hat?
When will Mr. Gold be reunited with Belle and Baelfire?…I’ll think of more later on tonight. 😉
@hjbau wrote:
They don’t need to make Bae 14 years older then Emma though. If he is going through time there is no reason he can’t go to a time when Emma is 14ish.
God point. 😉 I hope you’re right too. I’d hate for the show to get too tangled up in the rules of time travel.
@Pandora’s Imp wrote:
@*The Looking Glass* wrote:
I agree. He finally saw a glimpse of remorse and regret from Mr. Gold. I think it’s the beginning of his redemption arc. The audience needs to see that he is at the very least, remorseful. The writers show us these kinds of Rumpel-centric episodes for a reason.
I agree with that but for Rumpelstiltskin his redemption isn’t just being remorseful and sorry, he actually has to conquer his fear and be brave.
As for the Kiss. I’m just saying that’s how beauty and the beast ended so it is possible for Rumpelstiltskin to perform an act of bravery that hurts him and be saved by True Loves kiss.
I agree. but Mr. Gold did attempt to overcome his fears. He gave August the dagger as sign of him finally giving up his power. He said “I chose power once, and now I’m choosing you.” So, Mr. Gold did finally overcome his cowaradice and lust for power. The dagger was his power, but he was willing to give it to his son.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
@hjbau wrote:
I don’t know. Both Snow and Regina tried to kiss their loves when they were dead or dying and it didn’t work so i hope they don’t make the exception for Rumpel.
Charming and Daniel weren’t cursed though. Rumpel is cursed with being the dark one so it could play that way.
Good point. Besdies, true love’s kiss isn’t meant to bring back the dead. It’s mean tto break curses, and Rumpel is cursed.
@hjbau wrote:
I don’t know. Both Snow and Regina tried to kiss their loves when they were dead or dying and it didn’t work so i hope they don’t make the exception for Rumpel.
Huh? Who said that? Who would he kiss?…wait, don’t answer that. Sorry. 😆 😳
@Midnight Dreary wrote:
Ooo! Just wanted to come back and say that the producers have also stated that we may or may not already met Henry's father. That might be a clue as well. 😉 We've seen Baelfire twice now.
Oh, really? 😮 Wow, that is a pretty big clue. I think our crackpot theory might be right. 😆
