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The only way we’re gonna have confirmation is keeping track of the set life.
Will we? If they keep the dead character appearing in flashbacks we might not know before it’s too late.
[adrotate group="5"]Isn’t that a wee bit gruesome for an 8pm Sunday show run by Disney? Because if you take the WHY (bring back Greg) and put it with the HOW (he was eaten) this spoiler really feels like a giant misdirect.
Heh, they obviously know ways to tell gruesome things so subtly they hardly look that way, as evidenced by “Greg Mendell’s body was eaten by the wildlife”. 🙂
If you read this spoiler carefully, you’ll notice it doesn’t say that Greg Mendell is the one whose death may be undone. Instead, it just says the answer to where Greg Mendell is these days is related. I take that to mean they’re two different spoilers: someone’s death will be reversed AND we’ll also find out what happened to Greg. If we find out that Rumple, for example, is still alive because of the Shadow being destroyed, then it’d be a natural follow up question to pose “And what about Greg? He had his shadow ripped off so is he alive too?” That doesn’t mean Greg is alive though, since Adam tweeted us that his body had decayed.
Fairly good point, and hopefully that’s the case.
that is true, she could do some magical hand waving but—eaten. I feel as though that’s the real stopping block here.
Like I said before, there’s an easy “oh, snap!” solution for this: someone else got there before Tink and took his body away, possibly cutting small bits and pieces of his body like fingers or earlobes to cover his/her actions.
This is hardly the problem. The problem is why. Why bring him back? What’s the point? They wasted any potential he might’ve had, he’s best left forgotten.
Surprised to see Greg’s ressurection being hinted. Admittedly it’s the very logical consequence of Blue returning to life with the destruction of the Shadow (perhaps added to the plot to make room for Greg’s return?), but I have to question why.
Greg’s conception could’ve easily brought a potentially great Regina story where facing the most terrible consequence of her evil actions – turning a good person she once cared about into a monster – would lead her to reflect on what she’s done and how it keeps hurting those she loves without ever bringing the fulfillment she craved, but they trashed this from the very beginning: for all her talk about keeping Owen’s keychain to remind her of the time they spent together, Regina has never shown a single drop of care for his adult self, effectively rendering Greg’s character so pointless his and Tamara’s demise in the season premiere reeked of Nikki and Paulo’s from LOST: a quick gruesome death and moving on to sweep the mistake under the rug. Why, then, bring he back? What’s the point?
Ugh. I’ll be so peeved if it is Greg. Not only would it go against what Adam said, but it would go against what Tink said in the actual show too.
EMMA: Greg & Tamara? Where are they? Why did they give you that?
TINK: I got it off the girls body. I spent half the night cleaning the blood off it. And the other guy – Well there wasn’t enough left of him to find anything useful.
In all fairness, there’s an easy “oh, snap!” solution for this: someone else got there before Tink and took his body away, possibly cutting small bits and pieces of his body like fingers or earlobes to cover his/her actions.
Was the story Hook told Bae about his father abandoning him true or a lie to get him to reveal Rumple’s secrets?
Well I think the major difference is the way in which they died. Pan was selfish to the bitter end, but Rumple sacrificed himself. Rumple was also currently the Dark One. So I think he has only be “undone” whereas MalcolmPan is dead dead.
Indeed this could well be used as an explanation, but it’d have to be stated in the show, otherwise it’d come across as a plothole.
For me it would be enough of an explanation that Malcolm had the dagger go right through his body, in one side and out the other, then Rumple twisted it. Malcolm would have bled out pretty quickly with an injury like that. The fact he changed back into Malcolm suggests that his magic left him. So he was a mortal man with a major wound, and that equals dead.
Rumple is a different, more complicated, potential loop-hole containing case, because his fate was tied up with the Dark One Dagger being used, and the fact that he was sacrificing himself to save others.
But if it was as simple as stabbing Malcolm with the dagger for him to lose the power, why would Rumple feel the need to stab himself and commit suicide, thus taking them both into oblivion? I think this is likely to be simply due to Malcolm being in pain enough that he could not sustain the magic that was keeping him young anymore.
Look, maybe I’m just grasping at straws, but with Pan having been such a rich villain with a complex relationship with all the main cast, especially Rumplestiltskin, and the titular character in A & E’s favorite tale, I think it’s possible that they believe they can still do so much more with him, so long as he doesn’t keep that Big Bad aura of unstoppable force that the gang must destroy or it’ll be doom for everyone. In that sense, his Class A defeat in “Going Home” would work similarly to the one Angelus had in Buffy’s season 2 finale “Becoming”: he’d still be regarded as a threat in his later appearances, just not as the main one of the storyline.
I really doubt that Pan is still alive, (I do hope we see him in more flashbacks at some point though). At the time Robbie said that, he wouldn’t have wanted to spoil that he was gonna get stabbed, so instead he implied he’d still be around to throw people off.
But then they’d have to cocoon a solid reasoning for bringing back Rumple without doing the same to Malcolm/Pan. They both shared the same fate, being stabbed by the Dagger and fading into oblivion, and while we cling to the trope of “no body = no death” to hope for a return of Rumple we have to acknowledge that it also applies to Pan and it’s very within the realm of possibilites that we may see the villain return at some point in the future.
That said, I can’t see Pan returning and not be impacted by the experience in some level. At the very least it has to humble him up a notch.
Ok, having seen the whole episode, my take is that, in Rumple’s understanding, Pan, as an immortal, could not be killed so long as he was magically empowered, so he instead stabbed himself and Pan with his dagger. Since he was stabbed by himself and not someone else, the Dark One’s curse overloaded and destroyed them both.
That makes sense to me. What doesn’t make sense is why does he believe Pan to be unkillable. They never really explained the nature of Pan’s immortality; we understood it to be because he was living in Neverland, but he wasn’t in NL in the winter finale, why wouldn’t he be just as mortal as Emma, Regina and everyone else, Rumple excluded? And you’d think his powers would still be waning since Regina took Henry’s heart out of him, but apparently not.
Seriously, that’s the second episode in a row that the flashbacks could’ve been used to actually ADD to the backstory, to answer questions, but they instead chose to use them to parallel themes we weren’t really caring about. C’mon now! -.-
So, I’ve yet to see the full episode, but I got to see Rumple and Pan’s death scene in Youtube and I have to agree with no body = no death. It’s too much of a common trope to think otherwise, just ask Joker! 😀
That said, I’d even include Pan in the no definite death list – why would Rumple survive and he dies when they shared the same fate?
