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Honestly, I don’t like paralleling couples because I doubt even half of them were remotely intended. The only parallels I see as intentional are:
– Emma and Snow: like her mother, Emma met her lover while stealing, had a child with him and let her baby go for adoption to give him his best chance at life;
– Neal and Rumple: like his father, Neal was abandoned by his parents for selfish reasons, followed the advice of a stranger in detriment of his lover (even Emma and Milah’s words to Neal and Rumple are similar: “(You left me… and let me go to prison/You did this) because (Pinocchio/a seer) told you (/to do it)?”) and ended up abandoned his son too (though, in his case, unknownlingly);
– the practice of keeping objects meaningful to their relationship: Ruth’s ring for Snowing, the Chipped Cup for Rumbelle, Daniel’s ring for Stable Queen (which Regina only let go when forced to choose betweeen the love she had for Daniel – who was long gone – and the love she has for Henry – who’s very much alive) and the Swan Pendant/Dreamcatcher for SwanFire.
@Phee wrote:
Parallels undoubtedly play a role in this show, in that they use them blatantly as a storytelling device when showing how the flashbacks relate to present day events and how people have or haven’t changed as a result of the Curse. And I do get a kick out of little “history repeating” type moments. But sometimes the obsessive dissection of tiny things, like a similar reaction to a certain situation in eps that are half a season or more apart, that stuff just feels like grasping at straws in an attempt to validate a personal viewpoint to me.
Yup. I’ve seen some “parallels” or “foreshadowings” for both SwanFire and Captain Swan that are just so much eyeroll-worthy it’s laughable.
@Phee wrote:
I have faith in SwanFire because of their own, personal story together, not because of how it does or doesn’t mirror other characters/relationships.
Agreed. Neal and Emma are both complicated, messed up characters with issues both personal and between themselves, which makes for a far more interesting and satisfying love story in the long term to me than Hook and Emma. And then there’s Henry: as the character who drives most of the major storylines forward, I can’t see OUAT ending in a way that doesn’t reflect HIS happy ending, and what more does Henry want than his parents getting back together?
@RumplesGirl wrote:
What the what?!?!
So, fictional Victorian London for Alice but NOT for Bae? But that means fictional London does exist, so it’s a world that we could visit.
But why can’t that be for Bae? Why are the Darlings in REAL London but Alice isn’t?
Yeah. Like I said, consistency would’ve been nice; either have all these characters who are originally from our world be from The Land Without Magic or from a fictional version of it, this hybrid is extremely confusing. 😕
I really wish they’d be consistent with this. Wendy’s London was the real one, but Alice’s is fictional? Really? 🙄
@RumplesGirl wrote:
I think the minor characters in OUAT–like Granny–may be more heavily involved in OUATinWL, she may appear a few times because she doesn’t have her own individual arc, like say Belle or Emma.
Agreed. I imagine the cameos will work similar to how they did in Buffy’s spin-off Angel:
– regulars from the parent show appeared sporadically among the seasons, always playing a role in an already ongoing storyline and never for more than one episode during the arc. Examples: Buffy in 1×08 and 1×19, Oz in 1×03 and Willow in 2×22 and 4×15;
– special guests could appear more often and even have a small story arc. Example: Faith in 1×18, 1×19, 2×01, 4×13, 4×14 and 4×15.
@Kranen wrote:
@Demileto wrote:
There’s a blog about OUATinWL claiming that filming for the show starts at August 7th:
http://ouatwonderland.com/filming-dates-for-ouat-wonderland/
Naturally I’m frowning at this information because a) it doesn’t have a source and b) it’d be about one month later after OUAT supposedly starts filming again (July 12th). However, I found it noteworthy because it'd mean the spin-off starts filming around the same time Captain America 2 wraps up, so theorically they could get Sebastian for the very first few episodes if they so wish it.
I’m sure it’ll be earlier than that. If the show is supposed to start in September, the air dates would catch up to the filming really quickly. I personally would imagine that the filming will start the same time as ONCE. The days that ONCE isn’t using the green screen, OuaTiWL will be.
It does seem a week or two too late to start filming to me, but I’m not sure they really need to start at the same time as ONCE because AFAIK the spin-off won’t be following the new experimental hiatus model of a single but longer break during winter that ONCE will.
There’s a blog about OUATinWL claiming that filming for the show starts at August 7th:
http://ouatwonderland.com/filming-dates-for-ouat-wonderland/
Naturally I’m frowning at this information because a) it doesn’t have a source and b) it’d be about one month later after OUAT supposedly starts filming again (July 12th). However, I found it noteworthy because it'd mean the spin-off starts filming around the same time Captain America 2 wraps up, so theorically they could get Sebastian for the very first few episodes if they so wish it.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Ah well, the waters of Lake Nostos have the magic property of restoring that which was lost but not to open portals. The enchanted wood ashes Snow and Emma used are what contained the magic to portal jump, not the water in and of itself. I’m 99.99% sure that if getting to A Land Without Magic were as simple as taking a swim in Lake Nosots that Rumple would have done so. And since he didn’t have a bean or wardrobe ashes, he created the Dark Curse to be able to travel from the EF to our world. So, I’m fairly confident that water in and of itself (even the magic water of Lake Nostos) is important but not sufficient to realm jump. Whether one is a mermaid or anyone else, she or he would still require the addition of a realm-creating device to travel through water to another realm. So, if mermaids did travel through underwater portals, they would need some sort of additional magic (be it beans or some yet unexplored object).
Bear in mind that not all sources of realm travel could take Rumple to The Land Without Magic; Jefferson’s Hat is one such example. We can expect to see other sources being further introduced in the Onceverse, like the White Rabbit, and just as quick an explanation for why Rumple didn’t use it.
@chianna wrote:
Yes that’s my point, if there’s a bigger puppet master out there then they too need to have someway to know how events have to unfold. Making sure Henry is born has too many possible variations for them not to have that knowledge.
Very true. Yet, PP was kidnapping children left and right for… what exactly, if he supposedly pulled some strings to ensure Henry’s birth?
I’m inclined to think he kidnapped the Seer that foretold Rumple losing Bae and she told him all about the boy he should seek. The rest is history.
@chianna wrote:
There has to be a seer involved somewhere, there’s so many events that have to unfold exactly so.
If the goal is Henry then the ultimate plan could be to get rid of the Dark One altogether. As it is the DO is immortal, the vessel might die but the power finds a new host. Henry’s mother is the embodiment of true love and his father the son of the current Dark One. Bae was the catalyst in the past but in the present everything happens because of Henry.
There is one: Rumplestiltskin. A greater number of those events were orchestrated by him, using the power he gained from the Seer in the flashbacks of Manhattan, in order to get Regina to cast the Dark Curse that’d take him to The Land Without Magic, where he expected to find Bae. What’s in question here is if there is an even bigger puppet master than him, putting his/her own touches in the greater scheme like Rumple losing Bae, Bae meeting Emma and Emma giving birth to Bae’s son Henry.
