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@MysteryKat25 wrote:
Also the only part of that that Kitsis actually said was
“Wonderland takes place post-curse, so the pilot actually starts when magic comes and the Wraith happens.”
Everything else is conjecture based on whatever conversation they had with him, not words straight from his mouth. I have a feeling that’s why it was teased as “angry” since he wasn’t out and out letting them say who, but the last couple of days I’ve been focused on source material for things and this is all we officially have to go on. We see the same little quotes with a million different interpretations all the time, and people wonder why we thought it was official something was happening. Also things change once series get picked up, especially when you have to revamp because you can’t use the character you thought you were going to.
We don’t really know how much Kitsis or even Horowitz actually said to journalists. This excerpt from EW’s article about Once and Once:Wonderland crossing over, for example
Get this: The first episode of Wonderland currently starts in Storybrooke. We’re sworn to secrecy on details beyond that.
seemingly implies that they usually know far more than they say to us in articles and such.
I’m inclined to believe that TV Guide wouldn’t publish spoilers based on conjectures. Wetpaint, on the other hand…
[adrotate group="5"]@RumplesGirl wrote:
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Perhaps the White Rabbit is a time-turner as well as a portal-jumper. He seems to have magic, which he uses to open rabbit-holes, which could also be time portals.
And traditionally the White Rabbit carries a pocket watch and is overly obsessed with time. We know A and E have said there will be no time traveling on OUAT but maybe they could explore it more in this one. If Alice is world hoping looking for Cyrus, the White Rabbit could bring her to SB in present time before realizing he isn’t there (at least not the Cyrus she knows if you’re right about Jefferson) and leaving.
Interesting. I agree that it makes sense for the White Rabbit to be a time jumper, and I guess that as long as they don’t try to deal with the most messy aspects of time travel – paradoxes, changing the future, etc – it should be fine. But it still brings us to the original Mad Hatter problem: Sebastian can’t be all that much on OUATinWL, if at all, because of his professional commitments with Marvel’s movieverse, and I’d think that if he’s Cyrus with a new face that he’d necessarily have to have a bigger guest presence here, if not a regular role starting with episode 1×14 onwards.
I’d absolutely LOVE to find out that Alice is Grace’s mother; it’d certainly be interesting to see this show turn out to be yet again about a family – Grace’s family – like Once is about Henry’s. However, I feel like we’d have to deal with a lot of stretching to see this scenario come true, given the little we know about stories of Jefferson, Alice and Cyrus.
Alice meets Cyrus in his genie bottle, frees him, has a ton of adventures in Wonderland and other realms and then she loses him when the Red Queen pushes him into an abyss of an unspecified world. She then somehow returns to Victorian England (!) while the spin-off starts almost at present-day Storybrooke (!!). Meanwhile Jefferson was already an active realm jumper, and a shady one at that, about 10 years prior to the casting of the Curse, sometime in-between he met a woman who he seemingly loved deeply and they gave birth to a daughter, Grace, for whom he dropped his realm jumper job, but lost her when he got stuck in Wonderland. It’s already a tough job to have Alice be Grace’s mother when Alice and Cyrus seem like true loves by the trailer, it seems to be an even bigger one to have Cyrus be, somehow, Jefferson all along.
Then again, a lot of the OUATinWL’s potential timeline seems confusing, with the pilot featuring a Victorian England sanitorium and Storybrook at the same time. 😕
@Phee wrote:
Also look for the spin-off to feature other lands in a mash-up style similar to Once that may make you question who a past character really was.
Having read this sentence 50 times, I’m leaning towards it meaning we’ll see someone from Wonderland in another world. Or someone we’ve seen in another world appearing in Wonderland.
As long as Rumplestiltskin doesn’t double for the Cheshire Cat, I’d be fine with it. CC is likely my favorite Alice in Wonderland character, I really want him to be a voice-acted CGI one like the White Rabbit will be. And that better be an awesome design, because Burton’s is my all time favorite. 🙂
@Phee wrote:
The “angry” must have significance, given the italics. My best guess right now…Jefferson, the Mad Hatter.
Whoa, that wouldn’t make me angry AT ALL. In fact, it’d blown my mind, as no one’s expecting Jefferson to appear this early in the show, let alone in the pilot, because of Sebastian’s schedule. 😯
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Who a past character really was??
But we already have a white rabbit, yes? The cutie with the glasses that I would totally buy if ABC mass produced him.
What if he’s the March Hare? Or the Cheshire cat? We haven’t met those iconic characters.
I was thinking the White Rabbit because in the original tale the character DOES become a herald for the Queen of Hearts:
@vroni wrote:
Eddy and Adam have said many times that the beauty of the show is that no one is completely good or completely bad and I think they have shown that to us on multiple occasions. Even with Cora they explained why she was the way she was – especially when Regina put the heart back inside her. We could see that with her heart she would have been quite different.
So I think it is really unlikely that they will introduce a character like PP, whose story is one of their favorites as far as I understand, just to make him purely evil – and thus, to be honest, boring. The interesting stories are the ones that show the internal struggles of people, which is why they killed of the Blind Witch so quickly. She did not have potential to be interesting in any way…
While I agree that they won’t have PP, of all people, be purely evil, I disagree on evil characters being boring. All of Buffy’s villains were and that was never a problem on that show; on the contrary, some of them were actually pretty cool, like the Mayor and Glory. On movies, characters like Emperor Palpatine and the Joker are pretty good examples of evil characters that are awesome.
Honestly, after ASOTM I’ll be really annoyed if they try to pull a “Henry is not really the prophesized boy” card, as it was a high moment for Rumple in the episode to accept his demise if it meant Henry lives and I don’t want to see that being diminished by such a revelation.
@Schmacky wrote:
I want them to work for it, to earn their happiness, not having it come wrapped in a box like Snow/Charming did, even if it’s understandable in their case.
I gotta defend Snow and Charming here. While pretty much right away they fell in love with one another, they by no means had their love “wrapped in a box.” They definitely had to work for it. Just the amount of times they’ve been separated and had to fight to stay together is staggering. Their love has been tested and tried and came out on top but they earned their happiness.
Snow and Charming had a lot of outside obstacles in the way of their love while Neal and Emma will have a lot of internal obstacles to deal with. Though different, I find both very interesting and entertaining.
Actually, you didn’t contradict much what I intended to say (which perhaps might’ve not been with the best words).
What I meant by “wrapped in a box” was precisely that: Snow and Charming don’t have psychological issues either inside or between themselves to act as obstacles in their relationship; as such, they’d have had their happily ever after way earlier if there wasn’t external factors – namely Regina and George – keeping them apart. Even so, the series begin with their marriage and the very expected birth of their only child, a point in a relationship that neither Neal/Emma nor Rumple/Belle are (or, in Neal and Emma’s Tallahasse relationship’s case, were) remotely close to being, with Henry’s conception being pretty much unintentional.
@Gypsy wrote:
OUATinWL’s Alice resembles Grace.
Yeah she does, but she doesn’t look old enough to have a 10/11 year old daughter.
As opposed to Snow and Charming as Emma’s parents? 😆
Seriously though, the little we know about OUATinWL makes that show’s timeline be very confusing: it starts in (almost) present-day Storybrooke, but Alice is in a Victorian England sanitarium. Time travel? Can’t be, Adam and Eddy already said there won’t be time travel in OUAT, and I suppose that extends to the sister show as well since it’s the same universe. A Victorian England specific to Alice’s story? Could be, but they already opened themselves to literary characters that are originally from our world really be from The Land Without Magic with the Darlings. A Matrix-like reality designed to destroy Alice? Who knows!
And then there’s the reference to her travelling to other worlds, facing pirates and mermaids. It can’t be a coincidence that the trailer makes such an obvious reference to Neverland of all possible realms, this has to be a hint that, like Bae, she stayed there long enough to be alive in present day Land Without Magic even if she was born in real Victorian England.
Then again, the trailer also strongly hinted at Alice and Cyrus being true loves, I’d think Alice wouldn’t be having children with anyone else other than him if that’s the case.
@Gypsy wrote:
Yeah, I thought she would turn out to be Alice, too, but I guess not.
Yeah, it doesn’t seem so. Still, it’s rather remarkable how OUATinWL’s Alice resembles Grace. Curiouser and curiouser. 🙂
