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@PriceofMagic wrote:
Considering none of the characters on the show are purely good or purely evil but have shades of grey, it would seem odd to have the Blue Fairy as the one character who never does wrong, who always helps others etc, it makes her sound like a Mary-Sue.
I wouldn’t worry about that too much, as long as the Blue Fairy always remain a very secondary character and doesn’t take the spotlight from the cast we really care about she can be as black and white as one can be. Her being regularly used as a Deus Ex Machina is far more annoying, both her roles, on or off-screen, in “Selfless, Brave and True” and “And Straight On Till Morning” are regarded as some of the worst writing for the season. Convenient appearances are convenient. 🙄
@HappyEndings wrote:
What episode was it again about Morranie and Bae talking about the BF
“The Return”. 🙂
[adrotate group="5"]@PriceofMagic wrote:
I don’t think August went to Neverland. It would complicate things too much timeline wise
Not at all if it happens before the events shown in “The Stranger”, which is when Pleasure Island happens in Disney’s Pinocchio. Remember, we haven’t seen the whole of Pinocchio’s tale on screen, only the very end of it.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
and also would be introducing August back into the Story when his story is pretty much done
There’s still the nagging question of how August knew Neal was Bae in “Tallahasse”. Having Neverland be Pinocchio’s Pleasure Island solves this elegantly: he’d met him when he was a wooden puppet boy there.
Oh, dear, I never check the Caption thread, and in the day I do PriceOfMagic post that! I’m laughing myself off with images of Charming/Regina and Rumple/Cora playing with handcuffs now! 😆 😆 😆
@Pan14 wrote:
So on the topic of Lost Boys, I got to thinking about August. When he left Emma, he technically could have been considered a Lost Boy. I don’t know if this has already been theorized, but here’s my thoughts.
1. August Ran away, leaving Emma in the foster home.
2. Spends some time on the road.
3. Is taken to Neverland by the Shadow.
4. Meet Baelfire?
5. Meets Tinkerbell – aka the fairy August mentions in The Return
6. Escapes Neverland around the same time as Neal and Hook. Possibly the exact same time.I agree about this, I’ve theorized much the same and I even pitched this as being ONCE’s version of the Pleasure Island chapter of Pinocchio’s life, with this take of Neverland bearing a lot of resemblance in spirit to the place boys were taken to become donkeys in the Disney adaptation.
@Gypsy wrote:
He mentions the Civil War….which I thought was odd….how would Jefferson know about the Civil War?
Well, Jefferson was not without a cursed personality and memories, he just had the unluck of being the only one before “A Land Without Magic” to also retain his FTL memories. From We Are Both:
Jefferson: Then all we’ll do is both sit, stuck… Two lives in our heads, cursed worse than ever. Two lives forever at odds. Double the pain. Double the suffering.
Agreed. Neal/Emma is the most realistic, down-to-earth, messed up couple on the show, with both of them having serious issues both personal and between them, I want them to work for it, to earn their happiness, not having it come wrapped in a box like Snow/Charming did, even if it’s understandable in their case. 🙂
@obisgirl wrote:
When you love someone you fight for them, no matter what.
Myself, II prefer to see this as a case of “If you love someone, set them free. If they come back they’re yours; if they don’t they never were.”
But that’s just me. 🙂
@obisgirl wrote:
Neal was ready to leave her the moment he knew he could end up in jail, it took Emma to argue and to tell him she loved him to make him stay.
He didn’t want her to be taken by the police as his accomplice and be jailed with him, I don’t see what’s the problem here. *shrug*
@obisgirl wrote:
And yet Neal took the deal August proposed him, he left her high and dry in her happiness bubble, Neal offered her a home, he promised her Tallahassee.
There is nothing worse, than giving someone high expectation, high hopes and then shatter them to pieces. Neal broke Emma, he crushed her heart.
That sucked, that’s true.
@obisgirl wrote:
“He left her go to jail so she could fulfill her destiny ” this is not a valid argument,
Well, Adam and Eddy said in the Manhattan podcast mentioned this to be the only reason he did that, not any other. Whether people like it or not is another point entirely.
@obisgirl wrote:
Neal was afraid to be reunited with his father, he didn’t want to go back to him. He chose himself over Emma. He didn’t leave her for her greatest goods, but for himself.
But if he was that much obsessed in not being reunited with Rumple, why would he burst through his apartment’s door to stop Rumple from hurting Emma?
@obisgirl wrote:
He even admitted that he ran because he was afraid of his dad. He wasn’t running to allow Emma to fulfill her destiny. He ran because of his dad.
Uh, where was that?
@obisgirl wrote:
How many prisons for ladies exist in Phoenix? If Neal wanted to find Emma he could have found her. Within the ten-eleven years they were apart.
When he received that postcard from August, he could have gone to SB, and tried to apologize to Emma. But Neal never came back. He was happily engaged to Tamara and it was all he wanted: He didn’t want Emma, he didn’t need her.
But that was explained in “Second Star to the Right”. He didn’t try to find Emma again because he was afraid that she would never forgive him because he never forgave himself, regretting his decision to this day. He’s been burned so much in life with his parents’s abandonment of him for selfish reasons and his happy moments being constantly ripped from him by magic that he didn’t want to face another rejection.
Neal is just as much psychologically damaged and closed off emotionally as Emma, if not more. In Emma’s case, her being featured since the Pilot has allowed her enough development to mostly transcend this, as seen by her accepting the role of Henry’s mother and being comfortable to call Snow and Charming Mom and Dad. Neal, on the other hand, has just been reintegrated into the story, his journey is just beginning, he still has a long way to go before he can transcend his issues.
And I wouldn’t call his engagement with Tamara a happy one; he tried to find some semblance of a happy ending with Tamara, that’s true, but notice he never said “I love you” to her. He did it with Emma, not Tamara.
@obisgirl wrote:
In Manhattan, Emma had to run after him to catch him, cause Neal was still running away from her
Pretty sure he didn’t recognize her voice on the intercom, or he wouldn’t be surprised to see her there.
@obisgirl wrote:
he told her that if he had known about her he would never have approached her.
That was him saying that their whole past relationship wasn’t something out of a master plan of his. *shrug*
@obisgirl wrote:
When Neal met his son, it was cute, okay, but when Emma warned him about not breaking his heart the way he had broken hers, Neal’s reaction was to laugh at her. Okay it could be because he was nervous and yet, at the bar, Neal could have apologized but he didn’t.
He didn’t laugh when she warned him not to break Henry’s heart, though, he did a humorless laugh when she retorted his “I won’t do to him what you did to me” with a “and what you did to me”. Remember, Emma attempted to hide the fact that he had a son from him, she’s not a saint there either.
ETA: As always, RG said it better than me. 🙂
@Phee wrote:
Hmmm, I’m inclined to think that given the hashtag, the whole tweet should be read as, “Yes, technically I can tell you, because I totally know the answer…but…#nospoilers…so I can neither confirm or deny.”
Yeah, I’ve been told basically the same thing on FanForum and I’m inclined to agree. I don’t use Twitter myself, barely checking the ones that are worth my time, so I’m not well-versed in Twitter talk, and such a statement IS a bit of a bombshell given how they’ve been hinting at a love triangle :x. Hence the shocked emoticon I posted along with the tweet, I wasn’t expecting an admission this early.
Doesn’t matter, though. I’m confident of SwanFire being endgame anyway! 🙂
@obisgirl wrote:
@yuka chan wrote:
Hate’s a strong word but there’s something about Neal that really rubs me the wrong way. I really like Bae in the flashbacks but it’s like he and Neal aren’t even the same person. He just comes across as such a jerk whenever he and Emma have differing opinions on something (see: Tamara & Emma’s “superpower”), he can really get on my nerves. 🙁
You’re not the only one who feels that way. I hate the way he makes Emma doubt herself. I didn’t mind the teasing part in the beginning but now, and the way he still sees things as black and white is really unnerving. Guess Henry is the same way to a degree but Neal’s an adult! I feel like ever since he came to Storybrooke, he’s done nothing but belittle Emma.
yuka chan, obisgirl, MRJ did an interesting interview discussing Neal a few weeks ago that might bring a bit more understanding of the character to you. It’s on this link if you feel like reading it: http://www.onceuponafans.com/a-drifter-s-golden-dream
