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@RumplesGirl wrote:
I really want Bae and Belle to have a good relationship, they should be friends. And I would love love love love to see Belle tell Bae all about what a good man Rumple is and how he’s changing.
This. That Bae and Belle never got to properly meet and interact in this last season is one of my chief disappointments by far. I hope the new season rewards our patience by building a big story out of them developing a friendship with slight stepmother/stepson undertones.
[adrotate group="5"]@PriceofMagic wrote:
I think one of the main players is going to have their shadow ripped from them by PP.
Oh, good one! They’ve made such a case of having your shadow being ripped being a terrible thing to happen to you that they can’t NOT show us it happening at least once, and to have one of the main players be the victim would definitely resonate far morer to the audience than if it was Greg or Tamara.
@HappyEndings wrote:
Ok, going back to my idea I believe PP is working for the “Home Office”. I think the Home Office is holding PP and the Lost Men hostage until Henry arrives perhaps Henry will be the “Savior for PP and the Lost Boys” like Emma was to the town of SB. NL is frozen in time and so was SB (28 Years) 💡
Not particularly fond of this, truthfully. The Lost Ones have already been shown to have a Death Eater like mentality, I don’t buy it that they’re these good guys being held hostage by THO. Furthermore, the use and abuse of magic by Peter Pan without consequences in his tale goes against Once’s theme that magic always comes with a price, it’s only natural that in Onceverse it’d led him to be corrupted into becoming a darker version of the character we’re used to see.
@obisgirl wrote:
There could have been more potential for conflict with Gold/Lacey/Bae. Gold trying to be on his best behavior for his son but at the same time, he wants to be with Belle and the only way they can be, is to be bad for Lacey. Sadly, that aspect of that relationship was never really explored. We had one scene in Second Star to the Right where Bae broke up Gold/Lacey bullying Whale — but that was it.
For a more prolonged conflict to happen Rumple and Bae’s relationship would have to have a more solid foundation than what they had at the end of the season.
When Bae met Rumple again he had absolutely no faith that shred of the loving father he once had remained in Rumple. The Queen Is Dead showed that deep down he still hopes that he can have the father he once had back and The Miller’s Daughter provided him that shred of hope, but the foundation was so tenuous that it only took one bad act from Rumple to dash that, returning their relationship to square one.
I think that’s intentional. RG covered the need to put Rumple in a situation that’d shake him like nothing else could, but I’d like to add another: Neal is a character to stay who has a ton of issues (I suspect he could easily surpass Pilot Emma in that department, and I never thought that could ever be possible) to deal with, chief among them being his relationship with daddy Rumple. The Miller’s Daughter made it pretty clear that Belle is essential to mend their relationship, but with so few episodes left there was no way they could ever do a Belle/Bae friendly and/or stepmother/stepson relationship justice, so Lacey also served to postpone a proper development of that potential relationship to a moment where they can take their time to evolve it into something really solid. At least I hope so. 🙂
I think this is just a case of the bean taking the caster to whoever he/she wants to be, honestly. I don’t think it’s likely to have any formula to direct where the destination will be.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Wonder if Hook had a spare portal jumping device apart from that one bean? Or did he just figure that no worries, he had all the time in the world(s) and there was bound to be a way to get out of NL though he didn’t know what before he got there. Then he got there and realised that there’s only one person who controls who comes and goes from NL.
We know he took the JR to FTL when he went back to try and kill Rumple so I wonder if he used pixie dust to move his vessel. In the PP movie Tink’s dust helps the JR to fly and take the Darling children home, so Hook could use the same method. Of course, that involves him finding Tink.
Good call. They seem keen on turning the plot devices used in each of these universes to travel between real and ficcional worlds as sources of realm travel, like the Ruby Slippers, the Rabbit Hole and the Looking Glass (specific to Wonderland), so it makes sense for pixie dust being Neverland’s version of the magic beans.
@KFChimera wrote:
Phee–brilliant! So of course the explanation will be something else not as cool. (mutters about BF having no memories, fictional London link to Land without Color, and other busted theories).
😆
@KFChimera wrote:
I like that idea as it explains August instead of leaving us to think he was just lazy (or crazy) to be so insistent that Neal had to leave Emma. It could also be that August knew about the HO but was not following orders. If he knew they were after Neal, it would make sense to say don’t lead them to Emma. Then if they almost caught August after his conversation with Neal in Canada, it explains August stealing the money and heading to hide out in Phuket.
I’m still rather partial to my theory of Neverland standing in for the Pleasure Island chapter of Pinocchio’s life, but I like this as well. He’d have to have a very loose connection to THO for Tamara to do what she did in “Selfless, Brave and True”, though.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
except that the island has some sort of magical property in which if you set foot upon it, you are doomed to stay forever.
I’m still not convinced of that. Hook said that it was impossible to leave Neverland even while not having set foot upon the island in the finale, one’d think he’d believe otherwise if this magical property existed. Moving between realms isn’t something easy to do, I see this as being just a case of the known means of doing that being controlled by Peter Pan.
@Kranen wrote:
Yea they did. You can read it here:
http://www.zen134237.zen.co.uk/Once_Upon_A_Time_1x01_-_Pilot.pdf
I find it interesting that Emma was originally called Anna.
LOL, Henry was originally meant to be blonde? 😆 So glad they changed that and used it to hint at Henry being Rumple’s grandson.
@Kranen wrote:
ABC did release the pilot script for ONCE though. Do you know how early they released that? Or was it after it aired?
They did? I wouldn’t know, I didn’t watch the show back then. But Once Wonderland isn’t a completely new concept, it’s a spinoff, and we don’t know yet if the pilot will be used as the first episode. Neither Buffy the Vampire Slayer or Angel did, after all.
