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But Pan always cast a shadow (unlike Rumpel). I thought the other shadows were just shadows he RRRRRRRRRRIPPED out. I also thought Neverland was destroyed, when Tink destroyed The Shadow, but whatever.
They never did explain the in universe reason for the lack of sunlight in present day Neverland in Season 3, but I figured it had to do with Pan.
I think that’s how they’ll explain it.
I always thought it had to do with the flow of time there. Wendy did the sun set, and the Jewel of the Realm first landed at daytime. Plus, it would match neatly with Gideon and the Black Fairy: Rumpel’s father kept his first son in a land where time flows more slowly, while his mother kept his second son in a land where time flows more quickly.
[adrotate group="5"]yeah, in hindsight it was always obvious Cora was always intended to be the queen of hearts. Her name literally means heart, she had hearts on her cloak, and her spellbook had a heart on it.
I started late, so I already knew the Queen of Hearts’ name was Cora and was played by Barbara Hershey. So, for me, the twist was that she was Regina’s mother (in “The Stable Boy”), not that she was the Queen of Hearts (in “Queen of Hearts”)!
Regina having been named Mills is also an indication teh writers must have been thinking ahead. I dont think she counts at all.
I think “Mills” might have also come from the Greek word for “apple.”
technically she was the millers daughter before she was a mother. The only original (main) characters are Emma, Henry, and Neal. We have original side characters to (Lily, Dragon, Tamara, etc) but Cora no count. Unless we count the likes of Greg and Tamara, I think Black Fairy is the first central villain who is original.
Right in the show’s timeline, she was first the Miller’s daughter. However, in how the story unfolded to the audience, she was simply Regina’s over-protective mother who wanted power. So she started out as an original character, then they molded her story to fit with previous told literature. That’s why I count Cora.
There were hints dropped in “The Stable Boy” that Cora was the Miller’s Daughter. Also, in “Hat Trick” (one episode earlier), Barbara Hershey dubbed all of the Queen of Hearts’ lines, albeit uncredited (if you turn up the volume, you can tell it’s her). She was always meant to be both characters.
Edit: Come to think of it, the hints may have been in “We are Both,” but she was always meant to be the Queen of Hearts.
I find it odd that this promo focuses so much on Bruce (and his journey to becoming Batman) but uses a shot of Lincoln at the end.
I also find it a little unbelievable that someone–anyone–wouldn’t look at Gideon and not realize 1) he’s clearly been seriously abused by the Black Fairy and 2) he’s missing his heart. It’s a good canon compliant answer to Gideon but the fact that neither Regina nor Emma nor Rumple can’t simply tell that he’s heartless is a little…odd. Heck, Rumple could tell it about Cora by being her presence.
Oh, that’s easy for the Black Fairy to disguise: keep Gideon’s heart, and give him someone else’s.
She doesn’t even need to do that. Graham had a heartbeat.
Pointless Question: Didn’t all the Lost Boys go to Storybrooke?
They are filler because what Hook is doing in the Enchanted forest and Neverland does not matter. They were pointless scenes.
So him getting back home doesn’t matter? You’re not making any sense.
Him being stuck outside SB, in the first place, is filler.
Is there any way that Regina or the Evil Queen could have had a daughter? After all, the actress is Latina. I know Regina basically made it so that she could never have biological children by taking a magical potion, but could she have potentially found a way to reverse that?
Water from Lake Nostos. Which is now the Wishing Well, right?
I think Jo and Once_Dude were probably right about Mr. Gold (the cursed man) having a false-but-not-so-false memory of losing a son even if Regina didn’t know about Bae at all (which is weird since Regina sorta built everyone’s cursed lives…)
Ashley Boyd also had memories of a stepfamily she didn’t talk to, even though they weren’t in SB.
Anyone else think Snow and Charming will suddenly be the “reason” for a lot of our smaller unanswered questions? Like we never learned who called the cops on Emma (writers always said it wasn’t Neal);
I’m pretty sure they said it was August.
This was historically bad for Jane Espensen for sure.
After thinking about this overnight, I have started to wonder if Jane only wrote the present day SB stuff–drunk Snow, Regina/Emma, and the ending with Gideon/Emma. While the last bit with Gideon and Emma was totally horrible and eyeroll worthy with the “Tears of the Savior” the other stuff was the only highlight, IMO, of an incredibly weak episode–so weak that many have noted that it’s Jane’s worst. So maybe she didn’t really have a hand in it?
Jane deserves a better gig than this, at this point.
Have you watched Wonderland? A lot more Jafar there. Gives him a backstory and everything
A few people on here said I should watch it. I watched the first two episodes and wasn’t really impressed. They said it gets progressively better but now there’s like no way to watch it for free anywhere.
Looks like they’re still up on ABC’s website, from when they were put back up, in the Fall.
