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Headcanon: The old wizardey mouse guy was the author of The Book. Now he’s been… uh… zapped into a hat? so the responsibility falls to the new Apprentice, Henry.
(Think he can author his father back to life?)
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*sniffle*
In my head, that’s the happily ever after. Also, that kid is all the awesome things and if the show keeps messing with him, more than tables are gonna flip.
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There’s some interesting things in that article. Rumbelle doesn’t exist… what? I don’t think he quite gets the shipping thing, that’s merely shorthand for their relationship which most certainly DOES exist, lol. It doesn’t necessarily mean it’s its own entity with decision-making skills etc… lol.
And things get very, very bad as we go into 9 and 10 – that’s after 8 and he tries to suck Emma into the hat? Trying to off Emma *isn’t* the very, very bad thing?
Sounds like Hook has more coming to him. GOOD. I was trying to decide in that paragraph if he was referencing just what we saw in 404 because he ends the paragraph talking about the hand, but I think it’s a longer-term thing than that. And he’s right, it was pure idiocy on Hook’s part. His ego got in the way of common sense (when doesn’t that happen) and he made a completly stupid decision. Seriously, who goes to your centuries-long rival to ask them to restore the body part they removed?
Sounds as if he thinks villains might not get their HEA. Interesting.
Maybe Rainbow’s right and S4 is it. Still waiting for that “final battle” to begin…
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LOL at us all watching TV together but it being different TV. It must be amusing to see Ranisha and I freak out over a clown.
Being at the ranch while people are watching shows that I am not watching is literally my favorite thing. “TWISTY!” I don’t know what that means but it’s clearly alarming… đ
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It’s been a loooooooooooooong time since I’ve voted in internet polls.
Oh fanning, the things I do for you… :p
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Slurpeez, I think after reading your posts the last few pages you and I are very much on the same wavelength with all of this. I am trying to rely on general writing tropes and how shows are typically written and not what I want to happen… and looking at things in general terms, I’m waiting for the fall. But there’s no guarantees, of course.
As far as Will and Ana, the amount of talent it takes to ruin a true love ship from a show that has completed its run is astounding. Truly astounding. Hopefully that’s not what’s going on and there’s some logical explanation…
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Do I *think* it? Heck, no. I know it.
I think the WRITERS are a bad influence on Emma. I haven’t seen realEmma in, well, at least 11 episodes now…
I am just so baffled how they’re going to jack up Will and Ana after they had them running WL at the end of OUATiW. Seriously. What the ACTUAL word-that-starts-with-f-that-RG-won’t-let-me-use đ
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Genuine questions here: Would Neal and Emma be shipped together if Neal WASNâT Baelfire and was just Henryâs dad that left Emma in jail?
Would Hook and Emma be shipped together if Hook WASNâT played by Colin OâDonoghue but by an older actor closer to the age of Hookâs traditional characterisation but the storyline and actions weâve seen of Hook so far remain the same?
Answering backwards: No. CS is a ship because Colin and JMo are hot and they have chemistry. Someone on tumblr took photos of the actor who played Hook in Hook and put lines from Once’s Hook overtop of the photos and the result is stunning (and not in a good way.) Everyone would view him as the creepy villain that he is.
As far as the first, that’s actually a loaded question. I think I still would have shipped Neal and Emma – much in the way that I’ve shipped a number of couples on a number of shows throughout the years – without the Bae connection. What took me from casual shipping where I watched the show and wanted the characters together within a show I loved to hard-core shipping where the ship was more important to me than the overall show was the re-watch. When I went back and watched from the start, and it became clear how amazingly detailed, long-term and all encompassing the ship was (because the sketched outline of the show was the story of the SF family,) that’s when I started shipping hard-core. So if Neal was not Bae, I would have rooted for Emma and Neal (I love couples with history,) but I wouldn’t have the same sense of heart-wrenching “HOW did you screw this up?!” that I have with Neal-as-Bae and SF family clearly being the planned endgame from the start of the show. Does that make sense?
As far as 404, um, that was interesting. In some ways, less painful than I expected, largely because of the Rumple-Hook undertones. Loved, loved, LOVED Rumple calling him out on his garbage, exactly as we’ve been saying, and LOVED the revelation that all of the crap Hook did was Hook. What was forgiven by viewers in the moment of “cursed hand” is SO damning when viewed as “true nature.”
It’s particularly curious to me that they’re writing Emma as pointedly blithely unaware… the Will-Hook thing AGAIN is an example where Emma has been “shielded” from the truth. I’m about ready to start keeping a formal list: 1) who Milah is, 2) what Hook did to Bae, 3) Blackbeard, 4) teaching Henry to cheat… things that they’ve pointedly shown Hook doing and pointedly had Emma NOT know about. I still contend they’re setting him up to take the fall.
(I kind of go back to, if network demanded CS and writers were required to comply, if it is their setup for unraveling CS as endgame, at the end, when network has sold all of the advertising and allows them to do whatever they want. I just see enough in the writing that indicates to me they are not unaware of the garbage… and I can’t see any reason to include that stuff if they are lock, stock and barrel on CS, kwim? Yeah – I know – crazy wishful thinking DSB. Leave me to my delusions, will ya?)
Anyways, Emma is being written as so straight-up stupid here – I don’t know why they’re writing her as stupid and blind, but they are setting her up for a fall without question. I’m not sure why they feel posessed to do such a thing to her character, it’s truly bizarre to me, but when you look at writing conventions that’s very much what they’re doing. “Oh, I had a lovely time!” Huh? Are you BLIND to everything around you?! SINCE WHEN are you blind to everything around you?!
And Henry… somewhere between him rooting for both of his moms in situations that S1 Henry would have RAILED about, and the emotional manipulation he did of Rumple, they quietly decimated his character, too. Leave me while I go sob in my little corner now…
-DSB, still choosing to believe that Emma fell asleep on the couch in NYC after watching Wizard of Oz and Back to the Future with Henry and we are watching her crazy dream…
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Troubling – absolutely. There are so, so many poor messages being sent out, I just… I can’t.
BTW, my logical side totally agrees with your lack of optimism. After 322, especially. The problem for me becomes that if I fully accept this is what the show is now, and that there is never any hope for it to get better, I’ll have to quit it. I can barely hang on as it is, and it’s become a Really Big Deal in my household to have that hour a week of time we carve out to watch it together. When I threatened (planned?) to stop watching over hiatus, it made Other Roomie very sad, so I’ve gotta hang on to whatever shred of hope I can that maybe, someday, they’ll right this darned thing.
Time will tell, I suppose. There is the potential to fix things just as quickly as they screwed them up, and man did they screw them up quickly – so you just never do know.
41 to go :p
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I would hate for Emma to become Milah 2.0 although theoretically it would make sense if that was Hookâs intention. Hook has been
When a couple starts to change so much to make a relationship work, I think the relationship is doomed to fail. Hook looks at Emma and thinks of the adventure they had together climbing the beanstalk. He told Emma then sheâd make one heck of a pirate. Emma, by contrast, is looking for stability, for roots, and for belonging. She has said several times she can never just sit back and relax so long as sheâs the savior, because something bad is constantly happening to her. That is why Emma so enjoyed her normal life with Henry in NYCâaway from all the madness of Stroybrooke. She identifies the town as home now because that is where her mom and dad are located, but she still feels the weight of the world on her shoulders. She still is that reluctant savior of sorts. Even though sheâs trying to reconcile with that role by trying to give everyone their happy ending, she still hinted in 3Ă12 that her idea of a happy ending was not being the savior.To me, that is a big reason why Neal and Emma made so much more sense together than Emma and Hook ever did. Neal came to A Land Without Magic to escape âall that crapâ that his dad put him through. Emma came her as an infant, without any choice in the matter, but as a result is used to our world. She and Neal were both so adapted to the real world that coming back into SB was sort of like culture shock. Emma and Neal were both in the element living in the Big City, doing a normal 9 to 5 job, and were happy. Emma had Henry. Neal had Tamara (before he discovered she was playing him). To me, itâs still a big thing that Emma chose to end up in Nealâs hometown due to a fire. Why write that in except to show how similar Emma and Neal were? To show that Emma and Nealâs concept of home was in sync, that their lives wouldâve blended seamlessly together, whether in NYC or SB.
When I get caught in the trap of trying to analyze the show – a fool’s errand at this point, which frustrates me to no end, because I LOVE looking at what they set up through 1 and even 2 into the long term – I have to remind myself that there’s a line. 410/411/412 were set up very clearly for a SF reunion. The missed lunch – think “An Affair to Remember” – and “I’ll see you both again.” Sending her to Neal’s city, Charley’s Girl, sending her to Neal’s apartment, etc.
But the danger, IMO, comes from when we try to pull anything from pre-314 and apply it to post-314. I still maintain that the hinge comes on that nightmare of Charming’s in 314 – that’s where the shift happened. The only thing that remains confusing to me is why they continued to string along the parallels throughout the rest of 3B: the parallel scenes in 314 and 315 (“I’m glad” vs “I’m sorry” about Walsh,) Henry asking about the keys to steal the car, the apartment near the water, etc. I remain stymied about 321-2; why make the hero of the CS movie the dead guy who comprised the opposite side of the triangle? The whole thing remains so bizarre to me, so bizarre in fact that I cannot spend too much time pondering it because I literally RAGE.
I read something really interesting on tumblr recently that I’d never considered, about how much *Hook* has had to change in order to pursue Emma. Being a fan of Emma’s and not a fan of Hook’s, I’d always considered it from her POV but the post made some excellent points. My shipment of SF has so very much to do with the extraordinarily clear setup of their story – lost boy & lost girl, kids from a magical realm finding each other in the LWM, etc etc. One of the things that I LOVE about them is that they’re so real-world in the midst of the fairytale; it’s the real-life fairytale that was kind of the goal of Once.
I still maintain that Emma’s happy ending simply cannot be Captain Hook. (Although, perhaps that’s not so much an issue anymore, is it. Even avoiding spoilers, it’s hard to miss that one lol.) Maybe it’s simply so that I don’t go insane, but I am choosing to believe this is just a temporary thing (I don’t want to say short-term as that’s subjective, but I still maintain this is not the canoical end of the show.) I am definitely keeping an eye on how they handle OQ though, since I think that’s the template, and in all honesty they’re doing a terrible job, which makes me second-guess myself. But because I’m trying my darndest to be able to keep watching the show, I’m going to continue to hold onto my delusion that there has been too much deliberate setup to not bring the whole thing crashing down at some point.
And it’s just… yeah. We’ve seen very very few REAL grinning smiles out of Emma in the 3+ seasons – they’ve been (mostly? all?) for Neal. There is NO one else who gets the joke of, “I almost married a flying monkey.” They wrote this character to be Emma’s perfect counterpart and there’s no matter of rewriting, analysis or insistence from the writers that will make someone else a better match for her. But for me, when I get into the “why did they…” it gets dangerous, because if it’s pre-314 the valid answer IS “because they were heading for SF.” It’s why they had her move to NYC because of a *fire* in Boston, why she had Charley’s Girl on the stereo, why she spent those first few episodes back in SB, “Where’s Neal? Where’s Neal? Where’s Neal?” His death was absolute whiplash because it was absolute whiplash – it was clear they decided to kill him very quickly and just abandoned the story midstream. If they’d done it at 311, it would have made sense. It still doesn’t make sense to me why they didn’t take the latter half of 3B and write CS to make it better, to make it make sense, instead having Hook be the creepy stalker that polarized their fanbase, but I’m just a viewer, what do I know?
I think I’ve rambled off point, repeating things I’ve said a thousand times before. Anyways. Yeah, both halves of CS are having to change in order to make the relationship work – just looking at the promos for 404 makes that evident. LOOK at them, they are both ENTIRELY different characters. Contrast? Look at Emma when she was heading to her not-a-date lunch with Neal; jeans and her jacket – herself. If you have to change who you are to make a relationship work, it’s not right for you. And I don’t mean “be the best version of yourself,” but becoming someone totally different, suppressing who you really are, stepping not just out of your comfort zone but out of your own skin? It’s not right. Even if we take away all of the frightening creepy/stalker/date rape implications of CS, at its core it’s a forced pairing. He’s chosen Emma because he’s single-minded and set his sights on her; she’s chosen him because there’s no other choices left. Those are HORRIBLE reasons to choose a life’s partner, outside of all of the other reasons the relationship is terrifying.
People in relationships need to bend, need to compromise, need to meet in the middle. But when you have impassible differences it’ll simply never work. And what sort of crack the writer’s room was smoking when they decided, “We’re going to go with the half of the triangle that wants totally different things out of life, instead of the half that was written as each others’ counterparts,” I have no idea. It must be some good stuff. Maybe if they shared, watching the show would be more palatable. đ (I kid. Don’t do drugs, folks.)
Urgh. Ramble. Sorry.
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