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Yeah, agree, RG. 3B is supposed to be Emma’s journey to find her home – or was it her idea of home? – and I suspect that aligns pretty closely with Henry’s, in the end. Because the beauty of the SF family story is that they’ve all sought the exact same thing… a home, and a family. It’s what drew SF together and what drew Henry to Emma, and what was Neal’s motivation throughout S3. Those views are going to stay aligned.
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It’s full of plot holes. Don’t do it.
I think that Emma & infant Henry living out of her car is certainly a possibility, but Henry would be too young to remember. As far as I know, he doesn’t know his parents lived out of the car, either. And in the NY year, he had “memories” of growing up w Emma so no grand Q&A session there, either. We did have the scene in SB after she got kicked out of Granny’s, but I don’t recall Henry being privy to that.
I mean, if my Mom couldn’t stay wherever she was living, “sleeping in her car” is just not the first assumption I would make. Add that onto a scene that had no real “point” in the episode, and it makes it doubly suspicious. The only reason that scene existed was for Henry to allude to his parents’ history, by making assumptions that – while historically accurate – he had no logical reason to make. I’m gonna call Shenanigans on that one.
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Also, Phee, if Snowing can share a heart, then we can certainly share a brain, at least where it comes to SF. As always, I think you & I see this story from the same perspective, although ironically with the polar emotions of cynicism & hope. 😉
OUAT, that’s hilarious. I sincerely hope we have some sort of Rumple-Emma hilarity. “Who the blazes is Neal and why would I care about him?”
And Keb, excellent points. They all sacrifice, and they all come back. Except for Emma’s TL? K… that makes sense, it’s not like it’s her fairy tale or anything… :/
It ain’t over til it’s over, and we’ve got 85 minutes to go. We’ve got a fighting chance, here. I cannot promise that we’ll win, but I AM confident that the *possibilty* of a happy ending is not so far-fetched as it seems.
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As far as the mobile goes, I’m actually NOT cool with it being gifted to baby bro. He is their do-over kid; he’ll be raised with his parents’ love and as the kingdom heir. From Snowing’s perspective, I totally get having another kid, no ill will. But from Emma’s end, there’s no way to deny “replacement child” syndrome. She doesn’t seem to harbor any animosity, but still – this girl has so very, very, very few things of her own, from her own childhood – that it seems awfully mean to take the one tangible thing (aside from the blanket) we’ve seen floating around since S1 and just be like, “Here ya go kid, you can have this, too.” It just strikes me as really, really wrong.
My guess would be writers have a specific idea for how to use it down the road – I mean, we had no idea the top was a dreamcatcher til 314 – but who knows if we’ll ever see follow-up on that.
Switching subjects, I had a passing thought that may or may not materialize into something. In 320, we had Glinda/Zelena/Regina introduce the idea of making your own destiny. One of the things with Emma is that she’s never given the choice of how her life will go – her parents opted to “give her her best chance” and let her go; Neal did the same. Henry came to get her and she became the savior. Then at 3×11, although she is the only one who “could” have stayed or gone, she again had no choice in the matter – family to EF, her and Henry to LWM. When Hook came to get her after the lost year, she sort of had a choice – but knowing her family was in danger and Henry’s stance on heroes, not really. Interestingly, she seems to lay that blame on Hook, which (I can’t believe I’m saying this) IMO is not where it belongs. Anyways. We saw it again in 319, when she said it to Hook – “That should have been MY choice,” but again, someone tried to take it from her. All of the people in her life, who claim to hold her most dear, have made choices “for” her and generally, despite the absolute best intentions, it just ends up hurting her.
So when we get to 321, there is real potential for Emma to make her own destiny. If the story is told well, she has the choice to literally erase painful events from her past. Parents never meet? Won’t exist, no pain. Parents meet, but she tells Rumple, “If I tell you where your son is, you don’t enact the dark curse, and I get to be raised by my parents, deal?” Rumple heads to Neverland and baby-Emma stays in the EF, raised as a princess by loving parents… and never having to go through any loss with Neal (no abandonment in Portland, no SSTTR death, no 315 death.)
She also has the ability to look at those situations and say, “The pain was worth the end result, I have my family now and most importantly I have Henry.” Without those two key hurtful things in her life, she would not have that child – and was he worth all of the hurt? (I think the answer is a very easy yes.)
It brings us back to SF – and to echo cave, honestly. Is it easier to lose the life she has, now, than it is to face the pain all over again? And I hope, sincerely, we see it drawn back around – if she has the ability to do something (or ask Rumple to do something) to bring Neal back, is it worth that pain? Or is it easier to wish him to stay dead? She’s had it both ways, and though I wish the answer were as simple a yes as it is for Henry, I am not sure that it is.
The writers have an opportunity to tell a really great story of Emma’s character development with the finale. They have around 85 minutes to tell this story; that’s the length of a feature film, so they certainly CAN tell it well. We have been hearing about finale for a while and all parties involved seem really excited about it. So I am kind of looking forward to it; I am hoping we get MO322 of course but I am honestly hoping for two hours of good storytelling. Having six weeks of crap storytelling to set up an awesome finale doesn’t really EXCUSE those weeks, but if it provides reasoning for it, at least that’s something.
So if Emma is afforded the option to choose her own destiny, what would it be? I can state without hesitation it would include Henry. Based on what we’ve seen lately, I also feel confident in saying she has no need for pirates. As for her TL, if she’s given the option to choose her own destiny, does it include him? I sincerely hope it does. She’s had the opportunity to live that destiny without him, so maybe given the option, she’ll choose a different path.
Might be interesting.
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I’ve had a really hard time smashing my hope down the last few days, so I’m no help. I’ve finally gotten to the point where I’ve accepted I won’t be so far into RG’s tent as I’d like to be at finale, and worked instead on detaching. I was doing pretty well this past weekend – being sad and low and “nevermind, I forgot they were all stupid” but then we end up with junk like pizza and lobsters and compasses and I just… can’t, you know? I can’t not see what I see. To me, personally, I see a few too many pieces of the puzzle having been intentionally aligned to be like, “Yeah. It’s all in my head.” Or to be like, “Yeah, this stuff exists, but it’s remnants of the fact that SF was original end game, but now they have changed course.” There is too much stuff, too far into the episodes (well past 315) for me to genuinely sell myself on that. (I’d like to buy a teenage apartment-hunting car theif for $200, Alex?)
BTW what has ever given Henry logical reason to think Emma would sleep in her car? What an odd statement to make, taken from that angle. Anyways.
All I can do is try to prepare myself for the possibility that despite all that I clearly see, we are still not getting what we want. Henry is just being Henry, wise beyond his years. Compass is just a nod to the directional witches of Oz, Emma going thru to find her “home” has no bearing on compasses directing her home in S2, being significant in Tallahassee (“Home”) or directing two convenience-store-thieving lost kids home in 1×09. Pizza is just a quintessential NY thing. Pendant return is just to pacify the fans. Anti-Hook stance is just for dramatic effect when they turn it. Etc etc etc.
I don’t truly believe those things, but I have to try to make myself. The potential for having another night like the one after 315 is too great otherwise, and I still haven’t gotten the tear stains out of my pillow. 😉
I think Ranisha says it best – there is WILL and there is WAY. Way is cake; they’ve had way since 315 itself. Hi, that guy dying in your arms? TLK is a really legit thing to try – maybe his Dad (who totally ships y’all!) could suggest it. If we can burn coconuts and split hearts and and and, a little TLK is a cakewalk. But no. We will instead bust out Timey Wimey things and alter the past… where we enlist help from the ONE guy invested more than anyone in ensuring the guy stays alive. There’s a way, oh, there’s a way.
But is there a will? I posture that there is. I am slowly becoming attached to the notion this story was long-planned; it’s alluded to in Pilot and pulls together a few series-long breadcrumbs. So A&E themselves may reside on team SF and see this as an amazing culmination of an epic love story – she turns back time to save him, yo! – without realizing how much it SUCKS to sit on this side. I can appreciate a lot of pieces of this story, if I look at it from the perspective of “knowing” that’s where it’s headed.
But if they *don’t* have that will, no amount of logic will make it so. If MRJ wanted out (no concrete evidence of that) or they wanted to go CS (which sure isn’t the story they are telling,) then dead is dead and here we sit. THAT is the piece I will tell myself, over and over, for the next four days. Because the STORY tells me MO322 is the logical conclusion. But believing that and then ending up at Sad Town would be a dangerous situation, indeed.
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Yeah, that list from ABC is a wreck. I think whomever compiled it needs some lessons on romance, and on what a functional relationship looks like.
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I about freaked the flip out when I realized that entire nursery was decorated in dreamcatchers. The best shots we get of it, actually, are in the Pilot. When The Curse comes, it busts through the big, dreamcatchery window up top. Broken dreams, hey, as Snowing puts their tiny baby through a wardrobe portal? Anyways, it’s another one of those Things that says to me, “Hey, SF was the game plan all along…”
Anyways, yeah, I think Charming’s dream in 314 is a huge key. The mobile spins, the top is a dreamcatcher. 314, come to think of it, is when things really went off the rails. If – and I know it’s a huge if – this season was *supposed* to be off the rails, maybe that nightmare was intended to be a key trigger to segue us into the rest of the season. (Of course, if that’s what they were going for, I think they failed horribly – and I hope they don’t try anything so insane again!) Not sure about the tattoo; I’ve never really spent that much time analyzing it but I would be super interested to hear any thoughts anyone might have! I know they have shot down the idea of it being a Buttercup as a Princess Bride thing, and supposedly it is just from Charming’s crest.
Lecygne, they can’t say that, because #nospoilers and the spoiler just said before the end of S3. So they won’t confirm it until the end of S3, I get that – but there is a difference between not saying, “Yep, that’s what that spoiler was,” and implying that the spoiler is still hanging out there… if that makes a difference?
BTW, on my list of “things that must happen someday,” Emma *needs* that mobile. It just kinda hangs out in Gold’s shop, like no one bothers with its significance. Sometime before this series wraps, I really need for it to make it into her hands – to be hung wherever she decides is home.
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Nope, you’re spot on. I almost typed up a full TN analysis but I was really trying to keep it to the compass-y stuff. I consider TN to be pretty much as much a SF episode as Price of Gold.
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You know the interesting thing about that Adam tweet, Phee – as I am looking at it again – is that he is essentially implying that the Spoiler of Doom may not have happened yet. Which is a really, really interesting thing to imply, particularly as he’s saying it subconsciously. They have never ONCE stated the SoD is complete, or that it is Nealfire. And they are still stating there will be death, and acting as if ALL characters are up in the air. So it’s interesting, this thing, whereby they are kind of implying perhaps the SoD has not played out yet? Hm.
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