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Okay. I have decided it is time to become a pessimist and expect the worst. That way, anything if anything less bad than that happens, I will be pleased rather than disappointed. In that vein, I am expecting the following:
1) Neal’s Very Dead Ghost to come try to rescue Henry and fail. Before he departs, he tells Emma he loves her and she makes it clear she used to but she’s over him and not even really that sad he’s dead. And Henry tells him he’s sorry he doesn’t remember him, but it’s cool, he has a new Dad now.
2) CS kiss. Confirmed canon TLK. Which causes all-curse-breaking fireworks and thereby rescues Henry.
3) Henry dead. Yep, I know that conflicts #2, plus 320 BTS pics, but if I am expecting all the bad things I am expecting both of those :p
4) Hook to be hailed a hero for not rushing in and kissing Emma the first chance he gets, but rather, trying to avoid it until he gets kidnapped.
5) Neal to “surface” in the EF and do something really and truly heinous. Don’t know what, probably something so bad I can’t even think of it right now. Something that makes him a truly evil villain.
6) Henry to get all of his memories back, except anything relating to his father.
Does that about cover it, did I miss anything? Please, feel free to add so that I can continue to expect the worst-est. I think it will make viewing tonight easier. 😉
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Drink during.
I am totally fanning DURING my training run. I think that breaks every rule I have for myself. Stupid ship, stupid show…
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Well, we do have the door pic, RG.
*prepares to knock some noggins together*
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I only have a minute, but
1) RG, you are betrothed to an awful lot of posts around here. Quick engagements? 😉
2) Phee, I am pretty thoroughly convinced we share a brain around here.
I really wanted to reply to touch on this that Corbin said on the last page –
Now, if they do decide to make CS canon, I am going to be angry. Why? Not only because they put CS together, but because they killed Neal to make it so.
I assume by ‘make CS canon’ you mean make them canon TL/show TLK. If they show that, I will be angry too – but honestly? It’s not because of shipping. Forget SF, heck, forget Neal altogether. They have NEVER shown me why these two should be TL. There has been NO character development that makes them a true love story. Hook ‘fancies’ her, he is a pirate who ‘pines’ and ‘yearns.’ He even says she broke his heart. Cool. But they have never had Emma reciprocate. Yes, she kissed him in NL – but she has said repeatedly, “It was just a kiss.” We know from her history (S1/Mary Margaret and Whale) that she’s a girl who is not a stranger to one night stands – I floated a thought the other night that for Emma, sex has been yet another way to tamp down her emotions. When you have someone as emotionally screwed up as she is, there is often drugs or alcohol in the mix. Although Emma is a drinker, she’s far from an alcoholic, and I suspect that in the ten years that we did not see in life, she had plenty of flings as coping mechanisms. So a kiss because she was “feeling good,” as a way to deal with the emotions of 1) having Henry kidnapped, 2) having Neal “dead” and 3) having her recently-found father almost-dead and then not – yeah, she’s got a guy coming onto her, why not revert to that old crutch? Anyways, I am going off-course.
Aside from that kiss, Emma has never shown signs of reciprocation. For her to suddenly give in and be like, “Oh yes, Hook is my true love” – from a girl who took 22 episodes to state she loved her CHILD – would be so out of left field. If they want to go CS, fine. (Well not fine, I still have issues with the lying/manipulating/abuse, but just for the moment let’s set even that aside.) If the writers want to pursue the Hook-Emma relationship for the long term on the show, let’s SEE it. Let’s have Emma be conflicted, let’s have her consider it. “Damn, Neal’s dead, and I loved him for a long time, and I know I should be sad, but really – what I am feeling is attraction towards this pirate. Holy sh*t, I think I love him!” Not, “why are you mopey? Here, let me take your body part and hang it up over here to show off my new magic skills!” That scene was the first time we ever saw him annoyed with her. She is often annoyed with him, but I can’t recall him ever being annoyed with her. That was obviously really key to Hook – she clearly crossed some sort of line with that, he objected as if she had violated some code – and she didn’t know that. Emma is many things, but callous is not one of them, and I can’t recall her being trivial with something that was important to someone else… ever. So she didn’t know that would be a Really Big Deal to Hook?
Someone said above – and I hadn’t even realized with respect to our canon true love couples – they want the same thing. If Hook has decided the seas are no longer for him, and a quiet life raising a pre-teen in Storybrooke or NYC is what he wants – then that needs to be shown. Yep, he’s said he can’t go back to who he was. Cool. Why is he still in pirate garb? Wearing, you know, pants and a shirt would go a long way to say, “THIS is who I am now.”
There are SO MANY things that, from a GA standpoint, would make canonical TL between the two of them out of left field. In the triangle, we have seen SF express feelings both directions, and we have seen Hook express love for Emma enough times that it is a canon fact (even if I don’t feel they illustrated it accurately.) But we have never seen Emma even lean that direction. So if they want to go canon CS tonight, it will be like whiplash. If they want to go canon CS on 322? They have a lot of work to do. As a die-hard SF, no, I won’t buy it. But if they illustrate WHY Emma is falling for him and what she sees in him, that makes her love him despite his misdeeds (as they have done with others – Belle to Rumple being the key example,) then I can at least understand it from a general viewer point of view.
I have more to say about the posts on the last couple of pages but I really need to go for a run (yay half marathon training… can I tell you how much I would rather stay here and fanbase?) I’ll try to get to it tonight, before the show airs, since as usual I will be on lockout from when the Canada spoilers roll in until roomies and I watch and often the points are irrelevent after the next episode. LOL.
More later…
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It’s so funny. How is it that ranting like a mad woman about how many things about the show are just WRONG is exactly what gives me hope? I spent yesterday in the foulest mood, feeling like I was wrong to be optimistic, like it was idiotic to hope there was more going on than exactly what we are seeing – that I needed to accept the obvious, that this is the end of the road.
Yet spend some time ranting about the WRONGness of it all – the things that are missing, OOC, unfair, and the grevious imbalance in storytelling – and I woke up today filled with hope – calmly optimistic. If I didn’t look just like my Mom, I’d wonder if Snow White was a relation 😉 They have gone to SO much trouble to set this up, telling this story consistently beginning in Pilot and continuing through S1, through S2 with touchpoints like Tallahassee, Manhattan, and SSTTR. They wove it through S3, with Neal and Mulan, echo caves, and 310/311. We STILL saw pieces in 312, 13, 14… and yes, 315.
I pondered last night, why bring the pendant back into it? Yes, our tiny corner here was clammoring for it. But *clearly* they don’t care about our corner, if they are killing him off. And for the general audience, I am sure they don’t key in on the importance of it – an item we saw for a few moments in 2×06, briefly discussed in 2×14, and then never touched on again. GA does not key in on a necklace that she wore for the first three dozen episodes but is now gone. This is not Rumbelle’s cup, which is both a pre-existing icon AND frequently discussed on the show. This is an item that had not been mentioned in OVER a season – and at that time, was a cheap convenience store keychain-turned-necklace. Why drudge it back up, assign it worldhopping status, label it of true love? If Neal’s death was to further another ship, that is COMPLETELY counterintuitive. There was ZERO reason to mention the thing – just let it fade into the ether, never to be mentioned again after it was thrown back into the giver’s face. Seems like it would be an excellent parallel for the story they appear to be telling 😉
Guys, this story is Phoenix-based. It is a NECESSITY for the firebird to burn up, rest in ashes, and then be reborn. (Huh, if only they had included some fire imagery in his death… OH WAIT, they did.) Gold told Regina he got her a “child from Phoenix,” he wasn’t joking. It SUCKS to sit here in the ashes, but like always, I go back to… maybe something like this was always in the plan. I don’t agree with it, I don’t like it, I don’t feel like it was wise… but was it story-driven? Perhaps.
And what of Hook? I maintain that there has been TOO MUCH for it to swept under the rug. Things like the Tink incident, or Milah’s identity – yeah, they’re easily sweepable. But in the last several episodes, they have gone out of their way to have Hook do MULTIPLE sneaky underhanded things. Emma may have told him she doesn’t want to know about the missing year, that she’s tired of living in the past (an item I still maintain was far more about regrets with respect to her history with Neal than it was about Hook,) but WHEN she finds out, it won’t be pretty. And it’s a when, not an if. You don’t spend an episode on establishing a guy as “still a pirate” in the lost year, where he murders someone in cold blood, have him insinuate he’s changed, and then have him teach a preteen how to cheat at dice in the present, without a reason. They have set Hook up in bad bad shape, and I am FAR more confident we will see him take a fall than I am of Neal’s return. He is continually being written as a guy who is hiding stuff, which is a huge setup for the truth to come out and the repercussions to be felt.
The ironic thing is that my logical brain tells me that I am setting myself up for a fall. That what we are seeing on screen really is just as bad as it seems, that this show really did take that turn from a show about hope, true love and happy endings to a show where underhandedness wins… witches burn the center of the show out of existence and lying pirates get the girl. And I realize how much I have HATED every bit of the last half-dozen episodes (save some Regina scenes – ironic since I have no particular love for her!) But then I logic myself out of it. No, no, this show cannot possibly have flown that far off course, that quickly. And yet again this morning, that’s where I sit. Thanks to massive ranting about the WRONGness of it all. Oh, the irony.
I am sure I am setting myself up for a fall come 321/2. And I can absolutely guarantee you, the last few days before it airs, I will be huddled with RG in the tent of doom, utterly REFUSING to believe in even the possibility of a happy ending. Self-protective mechanism. Yet for the moment, try as I might to reject it, I cannot help but believe there is more to the plan than what it appears.
I think tonight will be interesting. I concur with whomever (Heather?) said that it should give us some clues as to where the rest of the season is headed. And it’s an A&E episode, so we know it is setting up the story precisely as they want it told. I am crossing everything I have that it is told in a manner consistent with the long-term history of once, rather than its short-term history. I NEED it to be that.
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Feeling is mutual!
So glad to be back in our little castle. Please never make us take leave again! It’s not safe out there. There’s trees and noises and… and… flying monkeys!
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^I love that Henry is such a mini-Neal. When we watched back through S1 this year, I could not get over how “Neal” they wrote him throughout that season. No wonder Emma reacted to him as she did – not only was he AwesomeKid, he was totally miniNealfire. Love that kid.
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That’s what I keep going back to, though, RG. They’re not that stupid. These are the SAME writers who wrote Price of Gold, which was basically a retelling of Tallhassee, right down to the parallel back seat popup! – which didn’t even happen until a full YEAR later. These are the same writers who included my favorite “thick as thieves” line in the second episode, to describe Emma and Henry – long, long before we saw that Henry’s heritage was, indeed, having thieves as parents. We had no reason to think that of Emma at the time, as she was in fact on the other side of the law! The same writers who wrote half of Henry’s parental history into pilot – taxi with stolen credit card (stealing a car,) asking Emma for a drink as soon as he meets her, etc. If they can put THAT MUCH forethought into episodes THAT FAR ahead, do they really have a character make a vow in 311 that they know will never come to fruition due to story just a few episodes later? And why send E&H to NYC, why (why oh WHY) Charley’s girl? WHY BOTHER?
I just… I just don’t know with this show. It has the potential to be SO awesome and then it comes off as just… not. I am so baffled. I don’t get it.
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Yeah RG. I really think the ONLY thing that can salvage that is –
1) On behalf of the writers, if they have lied about permanent death in order to *actually* surprise their fans for once. I can’t really blame them for wanting to do that, with this fanbase that knows *everything.* Or, if they are bring him back in 321/322 and someone else dies permanent death, fulfilling the spoiiler of doom, and they semantic their way out of Neal’s death. (*cough*”It’s Baelfire again”*cough*)
2) If they make this death be about character development for Emma, where her dang walls are SO high that it takes searing loss to strip them down. In order for her to realize what Neal really, really meant to her she had to lose him (again) and get her wish – they would have to parallel it with echo cave. “I said it would be easier to face the pain of losing you than to deal with the pain of our relationship, but I was wrong. There is no pain greater than knowing you’re gone forever.” *sob* Given the characterization at the moment, it would require them saying she was unemotional NOW because she was powering through with the one-track mind of defeating the WWW – and THEN having her break down and “deal” once the WWW was defeated – and THEN react whenever he returned. Eh, we have four episodes, probably not going to happen. IF they did that, then I could buy it was for story reasons.
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YES YES YES Phee. And if they’ve had the death planned since the S2/S3 break, WHY ON GOD’S GREEN EARTH did they have him say that? It’s just cruelty, if you know it won’t happen. Just have him say, “I’ll see you again,” he could even say it to both of them but it could be interpreted as if he was just speaking to Emma. But no. He specifically said, “I’ll see you BOTH again.”
ETA: Lecy, if they bring him back as a ghost for Henry, I might go a little postal on my TV. No, writers, that does NOT count as seeing his child again. HE PROMISED.
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