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elle
ParticipantEven if Regina can be redeemed, I still don’t think Henry would allow himself to get too close to Regina. She has already done so much to his family and to all the characters. He doesn’t trust her, he cannot even seem to stand her at times. 🙂
Both Prince Charming and Snow white now remember and are sure to want to get rid of her–Snow White has been shown to be a bit forgiving, but (from what Josh Dallas said) Prince Charming will be furious after what had happened, as he should be.
Regina, in her own way, cares for Henry, but it is not a healthy form of love. She is controlling and possesive, and any sign of disobediance can been seen as a threat to her. She has caused misery for everyone, tried to either kill or drive away the people that Henry loves most, and she even has him believe that he is having a fantasy. She thinks that buying him presents will make him love her–that might be similar to her own upbringing, but I digress.
It is possbily that she might not had ever been able to have children (or perhaps King Leopold did not want anymore) and after killing her father, she wanted company. Someone to love.
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ParticipantI highly doubt that emma would ever leave Henry alone with Regina–she has hated Regina almost since day one of their meeting, Regina has tried countless times to force Emma out of Storybrooke, she framed her mother for murder, and with the events of the last episode (Henry eating the poison apple and all) Emma will probably attack Regina. 😀
No one in the whole Charming family will probably trust Regina alone with Henry.
elle
ParticipantIt is a bit much to call Henry a brat–in fact, it is a bit unfair. Yes Henry hates Regina, but not without reason. 🙂
Regina obviously keeps him on a tight leash. And while I gave a small defense for her, her attitude in many episodes towards him can be seen as almost cold and the few glares she gave him when he defied her showed a spark of the Evil Queen. I don’t think she would ever hurt him intentionally (for now at least) but her actions have hurt him emotionally.
There is also the fact that she tried several times to kill his grandparents, and then took their happiness away and basked in their misery. Seperate Regina’s motivation (and despite the sympathy, I do not agree with Regina) for what she did for a moment and focus on the act itself, and how Henry views it. He sees his grandparents, he grew close with Mary Margaret, and all he wants if for them to wake up and have their happiness back. He cares for others like Jiminy and Ruby, and he saw how close Mary Margaret was to leaving Storybrooke and possible being killed. And he sees the hatred she has for Emma, and how she has gone to extremes to drive Emma away–that obession shows, even if Regina tries to hide it. He knows she killed off Graham (he felt guilt for that himself) and he seems to partly fear her wrath on others–he says it is good that Emma does not believe in the same episode, so that she won’t be next.
elle
ParticipantI don’t think Rumpelstiltskin would have gotten far running a second time. He would have been caught again, and possible killed for it. The Knight was obviously cruel–he would have enjoyed killing, or at least torturing him.
I had forgotten about magic coming back–now Emma will truly have no choice, not unless she either is able to get out of it, or if the task is not too dark. Even if Emma is forced, she might be able to find a loophole–Rumpelstiltskin did it himself with his deal with Regina when he promised something tragic would happen to Kathryn.
Concerning the Blue Fairy, I don’t think she will have much power. Rumpelstiltskin does not like them, and since their magic does not react well with his, he will probably do what he can to make sure they have little to no power, and since he made the curse and the True Love potion, it might not be too hard.
elle
ParticipantI also agree that he did not kill his wife, simply because that Knight said so himself that she ran off, and he seemed too scared to be able to do kill anyone. The only reason he killed the former Dark One was for two reasons–one, for Baelfire and all the other children in war. Second, Zoso goaded him with the fact that Baelfire might not be his son, and that enraged him enough to do the act.
Speaking of which, since many are convinced that Rumpelstiltskin's wife ran off with Captain Hook (not sure about that theory, but I digress) could it also be speculated that Captain Hook is Baelfire's biological father?
I think August will still be wooden–magic may be back, but he still did not act as he was instructed to. That won’t be taken back. Which also brings up the traitor–my brother and I thought of Gepetto. He may be desperate to help his son, and he may be willing to go to either Rumpelstiltskin or Regina for help. 🙁
There is also the favor that Emma owes Mr. Gold. She may be forced to do something that could be seen as a betrayal. I don’t think Emma would be forced into something nefarious, but it is a possibility.
elle
ParticipantI didn’t mean that you thought Belle would be the traitor. I was just doing a list of potentials possibilities. 😀 I do think that Belle will have her limit on Rumpelstiltskin’s actions. Even with probably supporting him, I don’t think she will enjoy how he manipulates or betrays everyone. There is also still the matter of her father (if he is innocent), as well as how he created the curse and made everyone miserable.
I heard about that theory with The Blue Fairy wanting Rumpelstiltskin to make the curse. I somehow doubt it–I said it on that forum before, but she seemed pretty confident that he would be able to make the curse. She even seemed to try to talk him out of it–she mentioned that the price would be high. But she has done enough damage that the other characters (as you said) might see her actions as a betrayal.
I’m thinking that Hook is going to cause the group to sort of split-apart. He may be able to use Regina. The writers and actress said that her main concern is getting Henry back, so I don't think she will be seduced. He might be able to promise her to help her get Henry back, though with magic back she may not need his help.
elle
ParticipantWhen it comes to Power, the fairies don’t seem to have much of a chance against Rumpelstiltskin, or possibly Regina as well. The magic of the fairies seems to be limited–The Blue Fairy granted Pinocchio his life to be human, but only on the condition that he remain brave, loyal, and unselfish. She could not save Gepetto’s parents, but she was able to turn Jiminy into a cricket to watch over Gepetto, and later Pinocchio. But seeing some of the scenes (and thinking it all over) helped remind me she is limited to the origin of the Fairytale stories in terms of how the writers handle her character/powers.
I think she is working against Regina and Rumpelstiltskin, particularly the latter. Her methods are just wrong, and the reasoning behind many of her choices is pretty rude at times.
elle
ParticipantI don’t think Emma is going to let them approach her easily, and I think that is going to cause conflict. They both are going to have a hard time bonding with Emma, who may not be able to right away seperate Snow White and Prince Charming from their Storybrooke counterparts. Henry will be the most willing–this has always been his dream. 😆 He’ll probably try to encourage Emma more, and that may be able to ease the tension. Henry was the one to bring Emma to Storybrooke, I think he will be the one to help connect the Charming family together. 🙂
Prince Charming is certainly going to hold Regina responsible. The fact that she hit on him is going to add fuel for his dislike of her–I wouldn’t be surprised if we see him going a bit on the vengeful side. Not too dark, but he will hold her also responsible for what happened to Snow White when she was Mary Margaret and how she was hurt, and that is something that I don’t think he will ever forgive. He may also have a hard time forgiving himself–he hurt Snow White. 🙁 Unintenionally, but she was hurt with no one (except for Emma) on her side and comforting her.
elle
ParticipantThis is an interesting spoiler…
I think the Charming family can be ruled out–Regina is the ememy, they hate her, she hates (with the exception of Henry) all of them.
I think it is safe to rule out Red Riding Hood. She has shown herself to be truly loyal to Snow White and Prince Charming. To have her (or Granny) betray everyone would be very out of character. The only way it would work is if it were explained enough to believe that Red would come to that choice. And even then, it would be hard to believe that she would side with Regina. 🙂
Belle (I think) won’t betray anyone, either. True she may be darker in season 2, but I don’t think it will be to the point of where she will betray everyone. She deeply loves Rumpelstiltskin, and it makes no sense that she would help the woman who imprisoned her–unless Regina was somehow able to control her without her knowledge. 😥
August has been shown to not be trustworthy (nor dependable at times, though I still love him) so there is more of a possibility. I still doubt it–he has his father on his mind, and I think he does feel incredible guilt for what he did to Emma (as he should) so for him to side with Regina does seem a reach, though it could happen if Regina were to promise him something in return.
I can’t picture The Blue Fairy. No matter how much damage she had done, she still has helped in the battle against Regina. It wouldn’t make sense for her to suddenly change sides–though we have seen her to do what she feels is best for everyone. She may feel the need to turn on everyone for what she deems to be the greater good.
But Hook could be the one that turns people against one another–they are building him up to be a smart villain. He could be the one to trick one of the characters.
elle
ParticipantI think The Blue Fairy gets a lot more blame than she should. I agree with AntBee that what happened with Rumpelstiltskin and Baelfire is not her fault. I do think she should have gotten involved more in that case–she basically let a fourteen year old handle the Dark One. True, he is his father, but she knows how far he steeped in dark magic he was. But he was a coward nonetheless. A lot of fans also blame her for with Regina, but I don’t think she deserves that blame, either.
My dislike for her started with Jiminy–she finally appears before him after forty years–how many years had he wished for help? Did she not see how miserable he was? Then it grew in Dreamy, when she told him that he and Nova couldn’t be together. True Love has been stated to be powerful, to be able to create happiness. Every character has said postive things about True Love, and I doubt that The Blue Fairy does not know how powerful it is, and yet she looks down on it. Nor does she allow Nova to make that choice–it is hers if she wants to give up her powers and her future as a Fairy Godmother.
It finally increased in The Stranger, when she lies to Snow White and Prince Charming, and then takes back the deal with Gepetto. That was messy way to deal with both parties.
I don’t think The Blue Fairy has everything planned–I think she is an example of the limitations of good magic. She only had one magic bean left, there was only one magical tree left, and she could not turn Gepetto’s parents back to human but she could help Jiminy look after Gepetto. She–for some reason–could not help the children in the wars, though perhaps the price would have been too high.
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