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elle
ParticipantI don’t think The Blue Fairy wanted the curse in the first place, nor did she think that it was even possible for the curse to happen. She was pretty confident that Rumpelstiltskin would never be able to make it in the first place. She was even surprised when he came to reason that a curse would be a solution to finding Baelfire–she dismissed the notion that it could be done, that it was even beyond Rumpelstiltskin’s power. She was wrong, of course, but it is not the first time.
Nor do I think that she intentionally sent Baelfire with the magic bean to fail and be sent away. I think she thought that Baelfire’s word would be enough for Rumpelstiltskin.
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ParticipantBaelfire’s approach was a bit naive I admit–but he was right to want his father to give up his powers. He saw the change, and that was the most important–plus, going to a new world, where no one would know them or what they had done was tempting. They both would have a fresh start–no one would know the things his father had done.
But I agree with what you said about how he was treated–if he was treated better, he may have treated the people better. I’m not sure if he would still had been willing to give his powers up (the power of dark magic is shown to be addiciting, both with Regina and Rumpelstiltskin) but he would have at least been more generous with them than he was. 😀
elle
ParticipantIt wasn’t just because he was the Dark One that Baelfire was isolated. Rumpelstiltskin was dangerous. He turned a man into a snail and stepped on him, killing him, all for an accident. He killed the mute maid, and probably disposed of her body somehow, when she was probably no true threat. True, in both situations his intentions were not all evil, but both people were innocent. Both instances were because Rumpelstiltskin’s strong feelings towards protecting his son–the townspeople knew that, and there for avoided Baelfire as much as possible.
I do agree with you on what he thought of himself without the power–the town coward. Without the power, he would never have any respect of friends, other than his son. And it is also true that it is unknown about how much time passed–it can be assumed that not much. A few months, maybe close to a year, at the most. Baelfire did look a bit older, even sounded older.
Baelfire saw how twisted and warped the magic was making his father–he wasn’t being naive about it. He knew the man his father was–a coward, yes, but not a bad man, either. A father that wanted to do the right thing–and he wanted him back.
elle
ParticipantIt was a moment of weakness, one where he didn’t want to lose his power. He admits that to August when he thought the latter was Baelfire. He admits that he chose power over him. He wasn’t just scared of the vortex–even before it opened, when he and Baelfire were talking, he was asking his son what kind of world is without magic. He didn’t want to go–he loved his power, it was then that the regret came. And that is why the Blue Fairy told him that–again, it wasn’t smart for her to send a fourteen year old to do this.
I still love his character, just to be clear. 😀 But I’m not going to defend his every action. He did do wrong–he even admitted it.
I’m not a big fan of the Blue Fairy either, but I think she gets blamed for a lot that is not truly her fault. I do think she does think highly of herself–her conversation with Nova was rude and condescending. I hated her little speech to Dreamy about how he and Nova can never be even though it is True Love–surely she knows how powerful it is. And how she lied to Prince Charming and Snow White about the wardrobe was just wrong–it reminded me of how she said she doesn’t lie, and then she lied. 😡
elle
ParticipantI never thought of the Blue Fairy as evil. With Baelfire falling into the vortex alone, that was Rumpelstiltskin’s fault. As sorry as he is for it, I agree with the Blue Fairy when she told him that he was the one to drive Baelfire away. It wasn’t smart to let Baelfire try to convince the Dark One alone, but Rumpelstiltskin had the choice–he went with the wrong one. Nor do I blame her for not helping Regina–a lot of people seem to find that to be her fault. The only thing I hated her for was her speech to Dreamy about how he can’t be with Nova, and how she lied to Snow White and Prince Charming about the wardrobe.
As for Baelfire and Emma, I never thought of them as being together. This show is pretty strong with twists–Red is the Wolf, Rumpelstiltskin is the Beast, and the Mad Hatter was not always mad. Them being together is one, what fans expect to happen. Also, I don’t think Emma would fall for someone that is the son of Rumpelstiltskin. Granted, she is not malicious–she wouldn’t treat either Baelfire or Belle unkindly, but she would be wary of them. She’d probably keep them at a distance.
elle
ParticipantI can see Prince Charming and Henry bonding very well–given the they have had a good collection of photos together, and how they are both similar in bravery and self-sacrifice, there hopefully will be some great moments between the two. And of course I want Emma to bond with her father, though I have a feeling she will be more comfortable with her mother. 😀
elle
ParticipantThat is a possibility. I had at first entertained the idea he wasn’t good–not evil, though–given some of his actions and the way he acted around others. He seemed to almost look down on Mary Margaret, even before they dated–in Snow Falls, she had talked to him about how David had grabbed her arm, and he seemed rudely dismissive. Then we have the dates with Mary Margaret, where he treated her badly. He also reported to Regina.
Yet he does have moments where he interacts with people and is very sociable. He went to Mary Margaret’s party in The Return, and he seemed friendly with many of the guests. He seems to overall be charming and confident, from his few scenes in the series and in the Singlebrooke video. If Regina wanted his help, then that means he might have either been someone very powerful, or someone that she hated and wanted to make miserable.
He could have also worked with Regina in Fairytale Land–he might have been forced, similar to the Genie. And The DA and Regina did not seem to be hated enemies. She gave him gold, and he gave her Prince Charming–they both seem to do buisness with each other, given how familiar they are with one another,
elle
ParticipantWhoever he is, I think the Blue Fairy may know. Before Emma asked about why they haven’t returned to Fairytale Land, The Blue Fairy looks at him, and she looks almost concerned.
Also, I know this has already been said, but I doubt he is evil just from how stunned he looked when he remembered everything. And if he were loyal to Regina, he would have followed after her. Though he could have worked for her and just not be loyal. 😆 But something in the way he looked and held himself, he looked just as lost as everyone. And if were truly evil, why would Regina make him forget? He would have been more useful remembering.
elle
ParticipantNo matter how high she may be able to raise Daniel up, he’d never be as high as a King. Even if she used her magic to make some sort of take over, it would take years for that to happen, and as patient and cunning as Cora can be, she seems to really want everything done quickly. She went on in the beginning on how Regina should have been married by then and with children.
That said, I knew that Regina had probably lost someone she loved, even before this episode. She seemed bitter and even broken-hearted at some moments. It was not hard to imagine that her True Love had died, and since she had an extreme hatred towards Snow White, it was easy to say that Snow White had somehow been (in Regina’s opinion) responsible.
That said, Lana Parrilla shined in this episode. I loved seeing Regina in love–she was like a young Snow White, Belle, Cinderella, and Abigail. She was truly in love, spirited, amd determined to be with the one she loved. And the final scene with her and Snow White is one of my favorites–we see her enraged when she had seemed numb, almost dead. Then she seems to come alive–there is emotion in her face. And the final line, when she says she should have let Snow White die, was perfect. I also loved the scene with Regina in Mary Margaret, when the latter begs Regina to show mercy and Regina delightfully refuses.
elle
ParticipantThis has to be one of my favorite episodes!
Everything in both worlds were connected. My favorite bits were with Emma and Jefferson–I love the suspense and tension between the two of them. I don’t think it is romantic–he was simply desperate for her to make his hat, and she wanted to herself and Mary Margaret to be free. But the frustration, desperation, anger, and fear that they both felt was just everywhere–their faces, voices, and the way they carried themselves. Another favorite would have to be when the Evil Queen betrays Jefferson–she does feel guilty for it, but she refuses to acknowledge it, and even attacks him back to make him feel guilt for leaving his daughter in the first place. Also, I love the scene with Mary Margaret and Emma–these two are so great together. Emma confesses how she cares about Mary Margaret, and you can tell it is mutual. Lastly, I love when we see Jefferson become the Mad Hatter–Sebastion Stan should be a regular. His characer was interesting, sympathetic, dark, and truly insane.
The thing that did surprise me at first was when Emma said she believed–that was a shock, until she knocked him out. Also, a lot of people pointed out that Jefferson went about the wrong way of convincing Emma–drugging her, tying her and Mary MArgaret up, pointing the gun, etc. And I obviously agree with all that, but if there is a defense to be made, he is mad–he is not going to approach the situation a normal way.
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