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I think Regina does love Henry–not a healthy love (she is controlling and tried numerous times to kill his loved ones out of spite and paranoia) but it is a love (closing to obession) nevertheless. If she truly did not love him, then why would she have kept him? Mr. gold practically spelled it out for her that Emma was the daughter of Snow White in one of the earlier episodes–and Regina is smart, so it was easy for her to put it all together on who Henry’s family really was. Yet she still kept him. She had threatend and was going to kill Prince Charming, she had tried countless times to kill Emma and Snow White, and she had killed King Leopold. But not once did she lay a finger on Henry. Also, if she wanted Emma gone so much, why not just hand Henry over? As much of a hero as Emma is, her love and concern is firstly for her son. If Regina had asked Emma to leave in exchange for custody of Henry, I have no doubt that Emma would have done just that.
Many people mention all the time how Regina killed her father, who was one of the people she truly cared for, but it is interesting to note that, despite her love for him, she did display resentment towards him. That is probably due to her past with Daniel, her mother, and King Leopold. Granted, it does make me worry for Henry–she could easily view him as such, though in the last episode, she seemed not the slightest angry at him, despite the fact that he was happy about the curse being broken. Despite that, her anger is unpredicitable at times, and even the smallest slight that send forth waves of rage at her victims.
There is also the last episode. Regina did not even try to deny the existence of magic–she admitted it outright that Henry was right the whole time, and was right away willing to go to Rumpelstiltskin, despite not trusting him (with good reason). And she did show remorse–when Henry was lying in bed, she apologized–I think this was the first time that the consequences of her actions hit her hard. Never had something like that happened before, other than Daniel being killed (though that wasn’t her fault) and it was the first time she truly showed remorse, the other time being when she left the Mad Hatter (though she did try to justify that).
[adrotate group="5"]I think it is also important to keep in mind that Regina truly trusted Snow White, and was fond of her. If it is thought over carefully, Regina could not have anyone to truly confide in–her mother was(of course) never an option, and her father probably wouldn’t have been able to keep it to himself for long. Cora was incredibly powerful, and if she knew that Henry knew something, she would have gotten the information out of him. Of course she had Daniel to talk to, but she didn’t seem to be able to see him as often as she would have liked, and it didn’t look as though she had many friends.
The way she talked to Snow White about True Love was with great energy–I think it felt great for her to have someone to talk to, even if that someone was ten years younger and a child, she still was able to explain her feelings in a way that she would never have been able to explain to her mother without consequence.
One of the interesting parts of this series is that some of the pivitol characters–Bae, Emma, and Pinocchio, and possibly more–all were parentless, all sent to a world without magic by force, and all three of their lives are intertwined. Bae was the reason for the curse, Emma was sent to be the savior, and Pinocchio was to be her protector. And all of them (we don’t really know Bae’s circumstances, but we can assume to an extent) grew up in harsh conditions in this world. As too convenient as it would be for Bae to be Henry’s father, it is hard to deny that it would, in many ways, make sense. I could see Bae and Emma somehow meeting–both of them were orphans, both of alone and could easily have bonded from their loss. The writers would really have to make it seem real on how they would have met, though–and I can’t see how Rumpelstiltskin could manipulate them into meeting. I don’t think he would have done that to his son, nor do I see the point–if he could get Emma and Bae to meet, why wouldn’t he have just done that for himself and Bae?
The only problems there are how they would meet–Emma said that she met him when she worked as a waitress, so if the father is Bae, he would have adjusted to life in this world by then. Also, age is a factor–it is never told the exact time that he fell through the portal. There is also the fact that Emma did not describe Henry’s father in the best way–his apparently got better and he left shortly afterwards seems very different. It doesn’t sound like the Bae we the audiance have been introduced to, unless he slowly got corrupted, similar to Pinocchio.
I think he will use the magic to find Bae–it is doubtful that he has given up searching for him. And now that Belle is alive he will probably want to protect her from Regina, who is going to be in major trouble, and not just from Rumpelstiltskin but from everyone.
But his last words were ominous–Magic is power. The way he looked and said it makes me think he is very much hungry for it. But then again, since this was planned in the beginning (and recaling his actions in The Return) it is still mysterious. He seemed to regret wanting magic when he thought he had found Bae, and yet he thrives in it.
I admit that I had at first thought it to be Rumpelstiltskin, then switched to August when he worked on the book. In all honesty, I think it is none of the above. August has been confirmed to have not written the book, I doubt Regina would have written it, seeing as how it reveals almost all the true stories of the fairytale characters, and Jefferson has not been given a hint to have written it–plus I doubt he knows all the stories in the book. And he would have used the book to convince Emma when he first met her.
The Queen of Hearts has not been seen much–still doubtful that she wrote the book. There’s never been a hint of her leaving Wonderland, other than the curse appearing. It could have been Rumpelstiltskin, but I don’t see much gain for him, nor do I think he would have seen how much needed the books is. The book helped Henry to believe, but Rumpelstiltskin couldn’t have known that Emma would have a son (the writers have confirmed that he didn’t remember until he heard Emma’s name) so he wouldn’t have been able to keep an eye on, and it doesn’t seem possible that he would have been able to set her up with someone.
As seen in The Return, Bae goes through the portal, so I doubt he was able to write the book. He might have known some of the stories–it is never clearly stated how long he stayed with his father after he became the Dark One. The Blue Fairy is a possibility–but then why not include stories of Rumpelstiltskin? And how would she have known about the Mad Hatter and Wonderland? Can the Fairies enter Wonderland?
I admit that it would have been a little cool if Belle wrote the book–a great nod to both the oringial fairytale and the Disney film. but that also seems unlikely. True it is unknown how long Belle stayed with him, but I doubt it was long enough to see the other Fairytale characters, and nor is it certain that Rumpelstiltskin told her about how dealings–it is possible, though.
I kinda thought that maybe it was done in Belle’s memory, similar to the chipped cup. Belle had loved the rose he had given her.
True that we won’t know what Snow and Charming would’ve done, but I’m willing to be they would have insisted that they go–Pinocchio was only seven at the time, and not at all experienced to care for a newborn, and it is only natural that Snow and Charming would want one of them to care for Emma. And Emma did grow up alone and suffered, as Pinocchio lost his humanity. As for why Gepetto was trusted, that does make me wonder–if his demand was too much, why couldn’t the Blue Fairy find someone else to build the wardrobe? The only answer I could come up with is that he was the only one who knew how to handle the wood–Pinocchio is made from it. But from what it seems, Gepetto might not have been close to either Charming or Snow–there was never a true scene with them, and he barely ever talked to them. Perhaps he thought the Blue Fairy was more able to handle them.
I think Gepetto was hopeful that Pinocchio would be able to handle the task–lead Emma to saftey, care for her, and prepare her for her duties. The problem was that (other than being too young) he did not know what he was to prepare her for specifically–no one told him what he was supposed to tell her or teach her. And he was in a strange world, alone, frightened, and miserable. And it was in vain, seeing as how Pinocchio turned back to wood, but (again) Gepetto hoped that his son would be able to do what he had been tasked.
Overall, what he did was unfair–he could have given Snow and Charming a chance, or thought of Pinocchio, and how he would be in a new world. I just don’t hate him as much as others do–it is shown how both Regina/Evil Queen and Rumpelstiltskin/Mr. Gold did wrong, and yet they are both pitied and favored by the majority of fans. Granted, I don’t hate either of them (both are some of my favorite characters) but Gepetto was a desperate parent.
Geppetto went about it the wrong way though. He should have talked to Snow and Charming about why he wanted to send Pinocchio through. He did the wrong thing. He needed to try and convince them. To trust them. I just don’t get his choice.
He did go about it the wrong way, and he should have probably talked first to someone. The problem for him is that he probably felt that Prince Charming and Snow White would have refused–they probably would’ve. They would’ve insisted that Emma and one of them go in the wardrobe, and who can blame them? But despite that, I can understand–he is a parent, and his first concern was saving his son from a horrible fate. He had no guarentee from the Blue Fairy, so he wanted to get his own. In the end, he was wrong–not only was Emma hurt by this decision, but he put a lot of responsibility on a seven year old, and I wasn’t surprised how Pinocchio handled it.
Keep in mind, they already had a glimpse of themselves appear in the story, especially ever since Emma came into town. Mary Margaret, bit by bit, became much more stronger–the old Mary Margaret would have been meek after her ordeal with Regina.
Ruby also gained the confidence that she had always wanted, similar to how her Fairytale counterpart had gotten stronger. Gepetto (whom I really don’t blame for what he did as much as others do) kept the wooden whale the his son had made for him. Archie also gained his confidence back, too.
From the interview, I have to agree that that seems to be the case in the show, along with the dialogue and themes. True Love (the romantic one) does seem to be with one person only, and the reactions that the characters have when they lose their love shows that.
I don’t think Regina is without love entirely–she does love Henry, even if it is one-sided. And she did love her father, even as she killed him, her guilt was apparent, and naming a child after him shows that she carried it with her. Also, she was willing to take in Hansel and Gretal with her, and that shows that she wants love–she just (at that point) is too powerful and dangerous. And I think that she, in the beginning of her marriage, tried to love King Leopold and make him happy–it just wasn’t possible for her, seeing as how she wasn’t his True Love, and that just drove her further into despair. For Regina, I think her sense of love and happiness is so warped, that many times her actions just make her situation worse. She wants revenge on Snow White, yet she keeps failing. She wants a child, but said child hates her guts. She wants everyone else to be miserable, yet they soon remember what she did to them, and will probably be out for her blood.
With Snow White and Prince Charming, they have been through much together, having to fight battles and find each other, and no matter how dangerous it gets, they always reunite. Their love for each other knows no bounds.
Cinderella and Prince Thomas are in love–several times Prince Thomas tells her that it is real love in the episode, no matter the fact that it was Rumpelstiltskin’s magic that did help them to meet. The same can be said for Princess Abigail and Frederick–the former would not marry anyone, as she could not love them as she loved Frederick.
With Grumpy and Nova, it seems the case. Apparently, a Dwarf does not fall in love, and Bossy looked a bit shocked when the idea of Grumpy (then Dreamy) being in love was even possible. And Dreamy didn’t seem to be able to forget when he was first born. Nova even said that their love made them special–more special than any Dwarf or Fairy. And the writers did mention that they would explore more of the relationship in season 2, so it will be interesting to find out more.
And as for Belle and Rumpelstiltskin, it is pretty obvious that they do love each other. Belle’s kiss was working, Rumpelstiltskin kept her cup after all these years, and he looked elated to see her alive when he first saw her. The question is if they are going to stay together in season 2, or if something tragic will happen that will seperate them.
