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As wonderful as it would be for Mr. Gold and Belle to live together, I have to wonder about Moe. How will Belle react when she learns that he was beaten up by Mr. Gold? It does depend on her feelings toward her father. But I don’t see Maurice as a horrible father–that is due mostly to the fact that he is still underdeveloped an a character. And we know that Regina lied about Belle dying. The possibility of Maurice banishing Belle is still open, or perhaps Regina had come along and either threatened or managed to convince him to give Belle to her.
[adrotate group="5"]elleParticipantI kinda thought the Huntsman would be her true love. Her kiss was the one that was able to regain his memories. I guess that means that she will have a new interest, unless they are somehow able to bring him back.
elleParticipantThanks very much. I really love having conversations like this. Let me know if there is something that I missed. 😀
4). I don’t think he would return to his house. It wouldn’t be safe at all.
A). He survived the beheading in Wonderland because it happened in Wonderland. If it had been in Fairytale Land, he would’ve died.
B). I don’t think the hat worked–he would’ve used it if it did. Plus, he needs magic, and I don’t think Emma had enough to make the hat work.6). That is a good question and I have wondered about that for a while. I have a reasons that might explain the reasoning behind it all.
A). With Daniel, he already had his true love, so losing his heart might have been more painful to him that the Huntsman, who is also stronger than the former in many levels.
B). With Regina’s father, we never see what kind of heart is pulled out. I think it was the flesh and blood one.
C). I think the heart that Regina crushed didn’t just have the Huntsman’s emotions. I think it was a link to his life.
D). The Huntsman could still make choices–why else would the Evil Queen threaten him? He was still able to make choices, she just had his life in her hands.
E). I don’t think Regina could pull out hearts in the real world–we never see her do so. She can just crush the hearts she has already.
F). There was proof that showed she still remembered. In the first episode, near the end, when Regina and Mr. Gold are outside her tree, Mr. Gold uses his ‘please’ on her, and Regina looks truly worried.
G). I don’t think he spilled the beans. He just gave an intro, though I’m glad they got rid of him. 😀8). True–I agree to an extent. But I doubt she would save him if she didn’t love him. Why go through the risk? Even if she hated the Queen of Hearts. Plus, look at her expression when she sees him–she is truly happy. But in the end, she did care more about the ring, Daniel, the curse, and Henry. I wouldn’t say it was strange to show it out of order–at times it can be a bit confusing.
A). Why throw away the curse? She may have found it useless to her (she as good as told Maleficent that) but it still is something that she can keep. If you notice, these Queens/Witches compete for power and leverage over each other. She would have been a fool to have given the curse back.
B). Not sure what you are asking. If it is about the origins about the sleeping curse, that is for season 2. 😀
C). Snow White had not eaten the apple at that time. I think sometime after the Evil Queen had gotten the Sleeping Curse, the Blind Witch had stolen it. Again, for leverage or power.
D). Not yet. That is for season 2, according to the creators.9).
A). She might not have wanted to draw attention to herself. It could be that, at the time, her people didn’t know that she had dark magic, and she may have wanted to have kept that a secret.
B). Not sure about that one. Again, maybe she didn’t want too much attention drawn to her. Maybe she wanted her to suffer with both fear and pain.
C). I think the fatal way. Regina probbaly likes to have a bit of both.
D). At first she was going to kill Charming, but seeing him lost, trying to save Snow White, I think she thought that was even better. Never being able to find your true love, and slowly dying seems like a horrible way to die. And I don’t think she counted on Rumpelstiltskin helping.
E). I think she is powerful and cunning–just not as much as Cora and Rumpelstiltskin. Regina is fueled by her hatred, and that gets in the way. I think that is why she makes easy mistakes.11). I’m referring to an interview. Sorry for before–I didn’t know where the link was.
http://blogcritics.org/video/article/once-upon-a-times-jane-espenson/12). That is true. Her Lie had horrible consequences. But I do think that shehad been reluctant to lie. Gepetto (understandably in my opinion) gave her no choice.
13). Again, the creators gave an interview, where they revealed the the true writer of the book would appear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcBWfJomoy8&feature=relmfu
Here is the link. There are three parts. 😀15). I think August was hoping that Emma would have some sort of epiphany and remember and take action. The tree was certainly important to August, and I think he hoped it would be important to her, too. That it’s importance on him would be the same for her. It was really the only thing he had to show her, other than his leg, which sadly didn’t work.
The tree was what brought them to the world, after all. It is important. It’s just that it had no effect on Emma–she still, at that moment, didn’t want to take responsilbity. Can’t really blame her. I don’t think he thought the tree to be magical, nor do I think that he has Emma wrapped around her finger. The fact that she refused to believe proves so.16). Emma mourns him in two scenes, and that is it. But to her credit, she has Regina breathing down her neck, and she has her son to think of. Plus, Emma is not the kind that likes to cry to others. She wants to put up this tough act. It’s only in the last few episodes that she starts showing how truly fragile she is.
29). Throughout the series, Rumpelstiltskin mentioned several times that love was the most powerful magic in the world. The proof can go to Snow White and Prince Charming–they both go through so much, yet they both always find each other. Regina lost her one true love, and that fueled her hate, which in turn fueled her power. Emma’s kiss was the key to waking up Henry from his curse. I think it is both strength and magic.
The ‘please’ can only work for sometimes. With Maleficent, I doubt he would want to work with her–he only used her to keep the potion safe. Plus Maleficent wouldn’t have helped him willingly–she seemed angry (rightly so) about being trapped. The objects and trinkets are probably not powerful enough to create the spell that he needed from the potion–the ones Regina gave to Jefferson were barely enough. Regina’s hearts…maybe…we don’t really know much about their potential, other than that Regina can use them to control people. The Hat won’t work without magic–Jefferson said this before.
I think he wants to use magic to find Bae. That has been his plan from the start–it was the reason for the curse in the first place. And now that he has found Belle, he’ll probably use his mgic to protect her, and get revenge on Regina for locking Belle up and lying to him.31). There no proof that Jefferson read Henry’s book. And I think Emma assumed that he read the Alice in Wonderland that she read. The pictures looked very similar, and there is the fact that Emma asked Henry if she could borrow the book. I think she was starting to believe.
34). I think it is addressed at the end. Everyone remembers who they are–at least that we know of. Yet they are all in Storybrooke. I think for the curse to be broken, everyone has to return to Fairytale Land. But I think that will be known more in season 2–the ending is not very clear.
37). I don’t think Belle would still have been locked up if not for Jefferson. I think she would have been freed, though I can’t say the same for Sydney. I’m a bit curious as to how Jefferson knew about Belle.
40). The timeline can get confusing. If you watch, Whatever Happened to Frederick again, you see Charming and Red Riding Hood talking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJxB1BM_c88
This is a link in case you don’t wanna watch the whole episode. It is very vague, but still stated.elleParticipant1). The Queen told Rumpelstiltskin that he wouldn’t remember about the curse. The Queen was one of the few people to remember before Emma came.
2). I heard from the creators–sorry that I can’t give the source–that Mr. Gold can’t always use the ‘please’ on Regina. Apparently, it costs him, too. Not sure what, though.
3). Emma has yet to have paid her favour to Mr. Gold. Probably he’ll ask the request when he needs it.
4). He got pushed out the window in episode 15 titled, Hat Trick. In his house.
5). She did technically want Kathryn dead–Mr. Gold tricked her and made her think she died. And Regina hasn’t killed them because she probably wants them all to suffer.
6). That’s not the kind of heart she pulled out of the Huntsman. It was connected to his feeling–remember in the episode, Emma feels his heart on his chest.
7). Not sure.
8). Watch Hat trick. She goes through a lot to save him, and betrays Jefferson a long the way. You should also watch Stable Boy. It’s subtle, but it is there.
9). Magic comes with a price. The only people that really got in her way was Maleficent and the Blind Witch. She kills the latter. Maleficent is her friend, so she wouldn’t kill her. The Queen of Hearts may be too powerful for her. Rumpelstiltskin is certainly more powerful.
10). Perhaps she has no need of him at that moment. He does appear, but only when she needs him. You see him briefly in Hat Trick.
11). The only time where it really sucked was when Sydney lied to her–Emma, at that time, was still not ready to beleive in magic. The creators explained how she preferred to believe Sydney because his lies made more sense.
12). The special effects are all budgeted. The Blue Fairy doesn’t lie. She told Baelfire how to go to a land without magic. The only time she lied was to Snow White and Prince Charming. Watch The Stranger.
13). He doesn’t. He only knows his own story–those were the pages he added to the book. He knows about Rumpelstiltskin because the Blue Fairy told him, probably.
14). I didn’t repel Pinnochio. The force of the magic that transports Emma to the real world as an infant probably knocked him back.
15). To show her their history–they both came from that tree to our world.
16). I don’t think she is over him. In the next episode after his death, when Mr. Gold mentions him, Emma looks teary-eyed. But she also has Henry to think of.
17). Emma and August are not a couple.
18). We know Baelfire went to a land without magic.
19). Watch the episode, Whatever Happened To Frederick. When Kathryn storms into the school, she bumps into someone. That person is Frederick/Jim.
20). That is the curse. For example, Prince Charming is normally strong, confident, and much more smoother. In our world, he is conflicted and foolish. He makes bad choices. Snow White in Fairytale Land is strong, loving, and brave. In our world, she is meek.
21). They have false memories Storybrooke. Whatever they think they remember in Storybrooke is false.
22). Emma can leave because she wasn’t engulfed by the curse. Same for Pinnochio.
23). Technically, Emma willingly takes the apple. Regina offers it and Emma takes it. She probably doesn’t offer the apples anymore because it didn’t work on Snow White, who was saved by Prince Charming. But in the real world, no one knows about it.
24). She has yet to appear. She is mentioned in, The Thing You Love Most.
25). They seem to hangout. They both were drinking together and talking. Maleficent was against the curse, though. That could have put an end to their friendship at some point.
26). She loves him. The last episode, A Land Without Magic is proof.
27). Not sure about it. Maybe she knew Henry would get angry at her.
28). He knew what Emma needed to do, and he knew she would break the curse. He just manipulated her into helping him, first. You can count it that, technically, he did break the deal.
29). Not sure what you mean by that…sorry.
30). No–he didn’t poison Henry. He just freed Belle.
31). That episode showed that Emma was starting to believe. She saw tha book and saw Jefferson–she just didn’t want to believe.
32). She’s angry. She probably thought that Emma was working with Regina, who locked her up. Plus, Emma was working with Regina.
33). I don’t think that would work. That would have been cool–but Emma makes poor choices at times.
34). The curse was starting to break in Storybrooke. That was why they were getting their happy ending. It was sort of power struggle between getting the curse to stay and breaking the curse.
35). Not sure.
36). Not sure about that, either.
37). It is. Rumpelstiltskin is gonna want to kill Regina after what she has done. Jefferson wants revenge on Regina.
39). I think they were all shocked and dazed to know what happened to them. They might not have thought about that.
40). She did break his heart, but then he found out why she did, and he rescued her, just as she rescued him. They then married.May 15, 2012 at 5:12 pm in reply to: Name ONE THING you are looking forward to seeing in Season 2 #146925elleParticipantIn no specific order of urgency.
1). Who is Doctor Whale? Seriously, this one has been annoying me. I keep thinking he will be revealed, and he never is.
2). Who is Henry’s father? Emma said he was no hero, which makes me think he can’t be Baelfire.
3). Does everyone still remember who they are? Personally, I think they have, but you never know.
4). Is August still wooden? I’m hoping he is–I hadn’t liked him much in the beginning. He grew on me, and I really want him to live.
5). What happened to Cora? I honestly don’t think she is still alive.
6). Who is the Queen of Hearts and where is she? I have a feeling that Regina especially punished her.
7). Who is the nurse who was in the ward? I really want to know her counterpart, and if she served Regina because they were friends or not. I don’t think she is the Queen of Hearts.
8). Are Belle and Mr. Gold still going to be together? I honestly think they do truly love each other, but the ending and Belle’s expression wasn’t encouraging.
9). What is Mr. Gold going to do to Regina? Now that he knows what she did to Belle, he certainly won’t let her get away with it.
10). What is Emma going to do now? She broke the curse, she fullfilled her role as the savior. I’m wondering what happens next for her.
11). How did Jefferson know where Belle was and for how long? This one has truly bothered me. I’m glad he released her and helped her, but I can’t help but wonder how he knew about her and Rumpelstiltskin.
12). How is Regina going to try to get Henry back? She will try. She loves him too much to not try.
13). Will Sydney still be in love with Regina? I have a feeling he just might.
14). Will Grace and Jefferson be reunited? I truly hope so. Jefferson deserves to be with his daughter, and I’m sure Grace misses him now that she remembers. At least I hope she remembers.
15). And can everyone in Storybrooke leave now? Somehow, I doubt this.elleParticipantI think he was in a hurry to bring back magic because he knew the curse was broken–Belle remembering is the clear sign of it. Primarily, I think he wanted to bring back magic to find Baelfire. When Belle comes and tells him that Regina locked her up, I think his wanting to bring magic back increased. Not only would he find Baelfire, but he’d need mgic to protect himself (he has a ton of enemies) and Belle. Plus, I have a feeling he is going to take his vengeance on Regina. You can see a flicker of anger on his face when he says, “She did this to you.”
As for how he will protect Belle, it does depend. I really hope he remembers his confrontation with August when he thought the latter was his son, and how he had chosen magic over him. I hope he remembers how his magic had driven Baelfire into seeking aid from the Blue Fairy.elleParticipantIt is really hard for me to find anything that I didn’t like about the episode. From start to finish, it was a true adventure, a romance, and a tragedy with twists and turns at every angle.
If there has to be something that I didn’t like, it would be that the episode felt rushed, although that is more of a nitpick. Plus, the writers had so much to fit in in just one hour. Also, the scene where Emma remembers did annoy. I would’ve liked it to have been something different–the scene felt too rushed and short. But I am happy that she finally believes
My favorite scenes (in no particuluar order):
1). The Charming and Rumpelstiltskin fight/conversation. The fight was well done. I had never thought Rumpelstiltskin to be a good fighter with a sword, and of course Charming did well to hold his own. The conversation afterwards showed how both the characters were alike–both knew of true love, and both were affected by that love.
2). The fight between Regina and Emma. I love how they both are very similar, yet so different. They both love Henry, but the actions of that love is what sets them apart.
3). Jefferson frees Belle. I figured Jefferson and Belle would share a scene. I never thought Belle would actually be freed, and that was a pleasent surprise. By only complaint is that it is never established on how Jefferson knew about Belle or where to find her.
4). Curse is broken and everyone remembers. This scene astounded me because there was no dialogue present. No one said anything in this short little part–it was all in the expressions. The actors of Once Upon a Time show how well they can convey the shock and confusion that many of the characters experience.
5). Snow and Charming reunion scene. I knew this was going to happen. I knew they would reunite, and it wasso sweet to how it played out. I could literally feel the love between this couple, and the music was spot on.
6). Belle and Rumpelstiltskin scenes. They only had two scenes, but both were sweet and very in-character. I love how Mr. Gold looked the first time he saw Belle–shocked, in pain, in love, and unable to comprehend. He couldn’t believe at first that she was alive. He thought her to be a dream. And then Belle said that was told he would protect her–I can tell that he means to do just that. Lastly, when they confess their love for each other, that scene truly made it for me.elleParticipantThe reunion for them did feel a bit rushed in, but the episode was packed with so many scenes and information, that I wasn’t surprised at all by it. But overall, I thought it was sweet and in character for the both of them. Belle didn’t seem to be someone who holds grudges–though I wouldn’t have blamed her.
As for Rumpelstiltskin bringing in magic, I think it’s for several reasons.1). To help him look for Baelfire. That one being the obvious reason.
2). For his own protection. He’s in just as much trouble as Regina, and with good reason.
3). Keep Belle safe. Now that he’s found her, he’s certainly not going to want to let her go. And he’s probably going to do all that he can to keep Regina away from her.elleParticipantIt is an interesting theory to consider. The writers did say that Belle would play a bigger role in future episodes, and Belle was said to be a lover of books, both in the Disney film and the actual fairytale. It would be another good node to the original stories, and would give Belle’s character a larger purpose.
Also, we don’t really know how long Belle stayed at the castle–I’m inclined to think it was a decent amount of weeks, maybe more. Maybe while she lived with Rumpelstiltskin, he told her a few stories of his dealings and she wrote them down. It wouldn’t be too far-fetched if they both talked about some of the people he met and what he did, and it wouldn’t be hard to imagine Belle writing about it.
Yet she did leave the castle after many of the events happened, so not sure how she could have still wrote in the book. The option of the author being Rumpelstiltskin is much more stronger–his story does not seem to be present in the book. Neither about his son, nor about Belle–probably because he doesn’t want people to know about them.
elleParticipantI’ve heard that it was only her SB counterpart, though it could be wrong. The source that I am sure of is that one of the writers confirmed that Belle will likely tie in the first season, and another confirmation says that Belle will share a scene with another character, a fan favorite guest star.
Not sure if FT Belle will appear, but I hope she really does. I’d really love to know how she ended up being in the custody of the Queen. I think it might be that the Huntsman was forced to capture her–he will be making an appearence as well -
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