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@PoM – I see where you’re coming from. I guess I just don’t mind not seeing that kind of stuff. I’m quite happy to assume. Well, yes that apology in S3 was pretty sarcastic, but as they say ‘actions speak louder than words’ Hook stayed to protect Belle, and even *went back* to protect her after he’d let Neal go from the hospital. It may not have been a massive grovelling apology, but it was a start. He also did say ‘this will be my way of making it up to you’ that I think was genuine.
I’ve always liked Hook bad boy, jerk and all, so I’m very biased. I never liked Belle, she just seemed to be Rumple’s love interest, but I will say I have changed my mind about her and am firmly in the Belle camp now. Regina I’ve always found a bit meh. She was absolutely horrible is season one, however I can see she is trying to change. But I’m totally with you with Robin, he does seem pretty useless. Maybe that might change later on. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
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Screwball has an interesting essay on the Hook/Belle friendship
http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/130921026581/belle-and-hook-bffs-prompt-anon-belle-and
Not a bad essay. I don’t quite understand why people have so much issue with Belle forgiving Hook. Do they forget there was that whole six weeks of them working together to free the fairies? Just because it wasn’t shown to the audience doesn’t mean they haven’t had time to hash out their friendship. That’s a long time to work together, to get to know each other, to talk about Rumple. They wouldn’t have been working in silence for all that time. Can’t we just assume they’ve made up and developed quite a good friendship in the time we haven’t seen? Which I think is totally believable and not out of character for either of them. Hook and Belle are still really regarded as the outsiders in the little hero troupe. Belle is only called upon when they want something. Hook is really only tolerated because he’s seeing Emma. (Notice so far, Hook only sits with the Charmings when Emma is around) I think it’s nice that Hook and Belle have bonded and found a friend in each other. Anyway, I need to stop talking about Hook and Belle in a CaptainSwan thread 🙂
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
I didn’t think of their kiss in Camelot being an attempt at TLK either, but that is a fantastic thought. The only problem I have with the thought that if they had kept the kiss going it would’ve worked, is this: with every other TLK in canon (except for Rumbelle’s in Skin Deep, which I can forgive because it was Season 1 and they were still working out the guidelines of magic for the show), we’ve had instantaneous gratification (short kiss, rainbow fwoosh, curse=broken). The length/intensity of the kiss hasn’t mattered in the past, so why should it now?
Yes, but there’s no reason why they can’t use that longer version of the Rumbelle kiss as canon to break a Dark One’s curse. You really have to want to lose the Darkness, whereas the others have been for waking up whether from sleep or false memories. The ‘sleeping’ person really has no capacity to think about what’s happening. And it seems most of the time it’s a surprise. Charming waking Snow wasn’t expected, neither was Emma waking Henry/waking up the town, and Regina’s kiss on Henry to break Snow’s curse wasn’t expected, everyone thought it had to be Emma and Henry. The only time (I remember) it wasn’t a surprise was when David was under the sleeping curse and Snow knew she could wake him up, but I guess they’ve already been established as TLK. You put Hook or Emma under a sleeping curse and I bet they’d wake up to TLK. (I do hope that doesn’t happen tho)
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
Not really anything else can be done when one is misinterpreting what the story has clearly shown to be true- for instance I saw on another site yesterday a small group of people that can’t seem to get over the fact that Belle & Hook are friends now, so simply refuse to see the friendship & are all shocked at why they are talking to each other, despite the fact that that the show has clearly shown their friendship to be cannon since S4 at the very least.
Oh on that (and yes I know this thread isn’t a Hook/Belle thread but) I read people are thinking Hook and Belle are going to get together! No no no. How do people even think that??? Hook had just said he’s going to spend at least a century trying to save the woman he loves. He is definitely not one to get over his loves very easily.
actually went back & rewatched the failed RumpleBelle TKL, because Emma “feeling woozy” & not being entirely steady on her feet after her TLK attempt was niggling at my brain …. turns out neither was Rumple when the TLK started to work on him when Belle tried it. We couldn’t see if Emma’s TLK attempt had an effect or not because Emma isn’t all scaly or sparkly.
That’s a good point. The first time I watched it I didn’t realise it was supposed to be TLK, I just thought it was a way to get rid of the darkness talking to her, since hugging Killian worked the day before. But yes, why else would she kiss him if not to rid her of the darkness totally. And you’re right, I think it did start to work. Maybe if Killian hadn’t broken it off so soon, Emma may have had a chance to really get into it and let the light take over, she wanted more when he pulled back.
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
I know there probably isn’t anyone here, but I thought I’d pop in and post anyway (it took me forever to find this thread again, though).
I’ve been avoiding the forums, if I’m honest, but I did cave last night and replied to another thread, so I might as well open the flood gates. I do miss this thread tho.
In 3B Emma wasn’t interested romantically yet Hook kept pushing then suddenly at the end Emma is suddenly kissing him.
I don’t believe that’s true. Before they were parted at the townline, there were inklings. Emma was getting jealous of Tinkerbell. She even asked David if he was trying to keep her away from Hook by setting her up with Neal. A whole year passes before she gets her memories again and in that time she’s been going out with someone else, she doesn’t remember her feelings for Hook until she drinks the restorative. That would be pretty weird, to suddenly remember who that person is in front of you and remember that maybe you did have feelings for him. So I totally understand she was a little distant with him in 3B. Having said that, she still included him in all their dealings with the Wicked Witch, even sought him out to look after Henry. I don’t think that’s pursuing, I think that’s being a friend. And I think the reason they became friends so easily was b/c of Emma’s feelings for him.
But, I’m glad TLK didn’t work too. Although it was nice to see Emma try it in Camelot, as she was thinking the same thing. It doesn’t look like Hook will fall too easily into darkness with her though. It would be easy if he was still that selfish villain to just be with her, not caring about anything else.
Just on a side note, I am a massive fan of the Hook/Belle friendship. There’s just something about those two that I like and it could be the fact that she calls him Killian. She sees the man and not the villain who in his desperation had tried to kill her.
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
(Long time lurker…)
Am I the only one who thinks that the Fury took a fifth of each of their lives from Regina and Co to make up for Robin’s? Which hopefully will take more of a toll on Snow and Charming due to their half heart status.
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
Just like I’m sure Emma and Killian have had lots of chats during the six weeks. Killian has obvsiouly caught everyone up on what happened with the hat. But we don’t need to see that on screen, b/c we the audience has already seen it. Like when Emma restored Killian’s heart, I know a few people were disappointed with the lack of discussion on how he lost his heart, why he was lying to her, etc. But again the audience already saw Hook’s phone confession, he had every intention of telling Emma what happened, so we can assume that he told her the whole story off screen, there’s no need to see it again.
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
@obisgirl – I’m with you on the Belle thing. I don’t think she’s ever one to really hold a grudge. I do believe that Hook started to repair that bridge in Quiet Minds, when she called him out for trying to kill her. Even though his apology wasn’t all that sincere, I think he made up for it by staying and protecting her and then going back to protect her after Neal went off to find Rumple. Belle’s seen the change in him. After the Apprentice Hook stopped using Belle as leverage with Rumple (as Rumple threatened to do the same to Emma) and I think by the end of 4a Hook was on Belle’s side. He’d seen her with Rumple, saw how Rumple was treating his ‘blissful, ignorant’ wife and even tried to convince Rumple that her love would save him. So I’m happy that Belle and Killian are friends. It wouldn’t have slipped Killian’s notice that Belle has saved him from Rumple’s wrath twice and I’m sure he wants to repay her for that. Also six weeks of working together is a long to time to get to know each other. I can imagine they’ve had all sorts of conversations about Rumple and what the Dark One has done over the years.
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
It was such a horrible thing that Rumple did to get his dagger back, but I do love Colin playing bad/Rumple. I did note that Rumple!Hook told Belle very specific wording so his cover wouldn’t be blown when she called him out. Belle could have said ‘reveal yourself’ and that would have stuffed Rumple’s plan. Such a manipulative bastard, but able to still get me feel for him when he sees Belle and Will together.
I think we’re going to get some very nice angst in the next episode, if promo pics of Hook and Ursula are anything to go by. I wonder if Emma will learn about Killian’s past at the same time as the audience. I hope so, I don’t want Killian to be keeping secrets from Emma when she’s already glossed over her superpower about her parents lying to her. Just on that, I don’t understand why people are so annoyed that Emma’s superpower doesn’t work all the time. It works when she actually concentrates on it. Hook can never keep anything from her. He is a rubbish liar when it comes to her. (Actually for a pirate he is a pretty rubbish liar full stop.) I don’t see it as an issue when she’s relaxed and not in ‘investigative mode’ that perhaps things slip by her. Maybe it doesn’t detect little white lies, only the big stuff.
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
Happy St Patrick’s Day! (well it’s here where I am)
I’ve been away, trying desperately to avoid spoilers so I could catch up on the last couple episodes. I’m enjoying the QoD, interesting turn of events. I’m intrigued to find out the answers to the questions the show is posing. What on earth did Snow and Charming do to guarantee Emma was ‘light’? And I like that perhaps that makes sense of why her magic is so light and powerful. I’m enjoying Maleficent more than I would. (That shot of her with the little baby rattle was quite heart breaking)
Anyway, onto thread topic. I love love love the interactions between Emma and Killian this half season so far. First half they were trying to establish them as a couple and now they are together and it’s just all nice and normal every day stuff (apart from hell beasts). Emma has grown so much with her feelings, just as Snow said in the end montage. But it’s good to see the two of them struggle with what they have. Not everything is wine and roses and the past (no matter how much you want to move on from it) will always be baggage that needs to be dealt with in an adult fashion. Emma spelling it out to Killian is what he needed. That’s it’s okay to keep things private, but it’s not okay to lie about it. I thought that he may have learnt that in the 4a, but I think he needed to hear it from Emma. That Emma isn’t going to run away from him when she hears about the terrible things he’s done in his past. They’re going to work through it.
Killian’s self loathing seems so much more prominent now he is actually with Emma. He is so happy, that sometimes he has to take a step back and remember just how lucky he is he has a woman who cares for him even with the dagger of all his past doings hanging over them. His lying is him trying to protect her from all that. That conversation is a big step in their relationship.
Just on a secondary note, how strange it was to see Killian emoting over Belle! When he placed his hand over her heart – oh swoon! Colin does it so well that I truly was thinking that Killian had feelings for Belle then had to remember it was Rumple underneath. And that final ‘he took something from me’ was just so sad and sincere. I know it wasn’t Killian talking to Belle for the episode, but I do like their interactions too. That they’re friendly enough for Belle not to be suspicious when Rumple!Killian asked her about the situation with Will. And I loved the Killian/Will/Belle scene at the diner, I’ve watched it about three times and it still makes me giggle. I’m glad they’ve given Belle more to do. I like her more when she’s just not Rumple’s offsider.
I’m sure I had more thoughts, but they’ve all disappeared at the moment. 🙂
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
