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Oh finally a Belle I like. And it happened to be creepy dark evil Belle. I really loved Belle confrontation with herself (very Jekyll & Hyde!) It just goes to show that Belle does have some deep reservations about herself and Rumple and that she isn’t so naive, but always chooses to see the best in her husband. I did love her guilt trip to Rumple – I won’t keep secrets from you because I know you won’t keep secrets from me. Ha! I do wonder whether that was her passive aggressive way of saying, ‘I know the dagger is fake, you better tell me or there will be a-trouble brewing sonny boy’

Overall I quite liked the episode. Regina is back to snarky and not nasty – I honestly think last week’s episode was a chance for her to vent because she realised that she can’t save Marion, hence all the ‘you’re ruining my life’ rubbish she was spouting at Emma. Now she has vented she’s back to snarky better dressed Regina (it’s all in the clothes). Heehee Captain Guyliner.

So I wasn’t the only one who thought “ooh backstory!” when Hook said he was a kiddie once too. Also I thought it was a bit rough of Emma to say ‘how would you know?” about scars from childhood usually running the deepest. Just because everything currently is about you, Emma, doesn’t mean other people (ie your boyfriend) don’t have issues in their past that perhaps you might like to hear about one day. I note Emma never says she’d like to get to know him better (but perhaps it’s just a matter of time) And we get the 200 year-old thing. Has she forgotten that Neal was only about 10 years younger than Hook? She didn’t care so much about the age gap then. Anway that’s my small gripe for the day.

The Anna not being able to climb the mountain to the Trolls I thought was weird. Why was she able to do it in a wedding dress (4×01) but not in her mountain hiking gear? Did they come at it from a different direction? I don’t know, that was strange to me. Oaken was cute. Oh and I did like Belle’s spiky coat. Did anyone else think it looked like she had raided Wilma Flintstone’s wardrobe?

To Hook’s ‘don’t I know it’ remark about there being many blonds in the world, I thought was just a refernce to his previous womanising days. Charming said he knew of Hook’s reputation in the EF, so there must have been a few blonds in there somewhere. Although most of the time you do see him with brunettes. I did like Emma’s ‘you really just said that, didn’t you?’ reaction to it.

I’m sure there’s more I wanted to write about, I’ll just have to watch it again to refresh my memory.

I am thinking of going on a bit of a spoiler blackout though. I’m enjoying the little surprises I’m getting with each episode, but I think I’ll enjoy them more without spoilers. 🙂

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Nothing will come from Rumple’s alteration of the security tape showing Zelena’s death. The people who saw it (Emma wasn’t there) all agreed that Zelena offed herself, there’s no reason to suspect Rumple as Belle supposedly had the dagger. It won’t come up again. If anyone would call Rumple out on it, it might be Belle, not Emma.

I have a theory that Hook has already told Emma off-screen about his run-in with Rumple. Based on the fact that Hook is terrible at keeping things from her. Even though her superpower may not be 100%, she pretty much always sees through Hook’s lies. The only time she didn’t was at the end of The Jolly Roger, but then I don’t think he full on lied to her, there was a lot of half-truths and mixed up stories going on there, so for her to detect a straight out lie would be difficult. Anyway, I digress. Compared to the last time Hook kept important information from her, he was sullen and moody for days. Emma noticed at least twice his change in mood. But during the last episode, he was all jovial and flirty, like there was nothing weighing him down. Also compare his mood when he first got to the station after the Rumple magic-sucking hat thing, he was quiet and upset, also pretty wary of Will who could say who punched him at anytime. The first visit to the sheriff station in the last ep Hook didn’t even care that Will was there and only engaged when Will said the thing about ‘getting in the with son’. Even then it wasn’t a worried Hook that spoke to Will, it was an annoyed Hook and annoyed for good reason, cos we obviously know Hook likes Henry (and wants to do good by him for Bae).

However with a couple spoilers I’ve read, all that could be redundant esp in regards to Rumple offering to get rid of Emma’s magic and Hook trying to stop that, that would assume Emma doesn’t know about the hat Hook perhaps was just happy b/c he’s with Emma now. I don’t know. I like to think he told her and they’re going to keep an eye on Rumple under the pretense of Hook working for him.

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Personally I think Rumple simply considers Milah & Killian to be true love, as it sort of lessens the blow of her choosing to run off with a pirate if it’s TL. I dont consider anyone to be TL until I see it confirmed either by TLK or A&E tell us they are TL (neither of which has happened for Milah & Killian, all A&E have said is they loved each other, so yeah.)

I agree that Rumple saw them as True Love (and said he didn’t reliase the power of True Love before). And seeing them is where he got the idea that True Love could be used in the curse. All he had to find was the epitome of TL and we get that with Snowing. Hook himself called Milah his first love, but he obviously loved her so much he was willing to spend hundreds of years trying to find a way to avenge her. That sounds like true love to me. If Charming is to believed TL is hard to come by and worth fighting for. Killian has fought for Emma, he didn’t really *have* to fight for Milah, but that’s not to say he didn’t love her any less. He’s a very passionate pirate. When he falls, he falls hard!

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I’d actually really like to know how much Emma knows about Hook’s past. I really think she does know exactly who Milah was, both from the scene in Bae’s old cave in 304 and because she’s not an idiot. I’d like explicit confirmation one way or the other though. Other than that though, I have no idea what she does and doesn’t know.

Me too. I agree, she must know who Milah is in relation to everyone else. They looked pretty awkward in that cave when Bae’s mother was mentioned. She obv knows he lost his brother to Dreamshade (Charming told her that). I doubt she knows he was abandoned by his father – unless Neal told her, but I doubt it. Whether she knows he was an upstanding member of the Royal Navy, who knows? Charming must have that sussed though, he recognised the insignia as military, and Hook said his brother was his captain, so two and two should equal four on that. But you know, Charming can be pretty dense sometimes.

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Screwball Ninja theorised that the cursed personalities were the original personalities minus their best traits. For example, Lacey was Belle without her compassion. Mary Margaret was Snow without her confidence. Mr Gold was Rumple without his passion, David Nolan was charming without faith in himself etc.

So what would be Hook’s best trait? His determination? Dedication? Passion? Would cursed Hook be a layabout constantly between jobs?

Screwball Ninja theorised what cursed Hook would be like.

http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/66600906269/this-is-random-but-if-hook-had-by-chance-ended-up

Sweet, thanks 🙂
I’ve always been curious about what happened to the ‘bad guys’ during the first curse. Obviously not everyone will be a good guy, we got to see Bo Peep running the butcher’s shop. (Was she cursed to be nice?) But we only really got to see the good guys remembering who they were. Regina wasn’t cursed, Rumple got his memories back before the curse broke. Cora and Hook came along afterwards. Hook would have been a great candidate to show a good guy reverting to his ‘evil’ self once he got his real memories back (esp going by Screwball Ninja’s theory that cursed!Hook would be like Lt. Jones), but I guess that’s kind of what they’re doing now, confronting the darkness in him and all that 🙂

An easy solution would’ve been not to have Regina been the one to murder Marion originally. Now OQ just has a bad taste. I’m rooting for Marian to live and be happy but season 4 has made Robin seem like a bit of a douchebag.

Yeah, absolutely, I’m team Marion all the way. I hope she finds happiness.

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This is going to be an unpopular thought but I do agree that CS wasn’t planned from the beginning because of the rights issue. The writers may have had the idea, they may have even had a back up idea just in case they didn’t get the rights. But until they had the rights, they couldn’t really go with CS until they knew it was a certainty. Once they got the rights, they probably started playing around with it but I don’t think CS was planned when they were filming the pilot.

Well yes, they couldn’t have gone with CS until they had the rights (and to see whether the actors had chemistry, which according to DVD commentary one of the writers was really happy when they found Colin) but the point is that it was planned. If they couldn’t get rights to Captain Hook in the first season, they could have ditched that character and went down another path, but they didn’t. They eventually got the rights and went down the path they wanted to. It may not have been the exact same path, but I’m sure the inkling was always there. I would have love to know how different first season would be if Captain Hook was there from the start. Who would he have been in Storybrooke under the first curse? Would Emma and him got together before the curse ended? Would getting his memories back turn him back into the revenge-fuelled pirate? So many questions!

I do wonder if they might be bringing Neal back because of the sudden spurt of Neal references. I think Emma and Neal need to properly lay that whole chapter to rest once and for all. As strange as it seems, I would’ve liked for them to bring Milah back rather than Marian (a bit difficult because of the way she died) but the aftermath would’ve been so much richer. There would be lots of angst for Hook and CS because when he’d finally moved on, the woman he spent centuries avenging returned to his life, plus Milah would create trouble for Rumple. Two couples connected by one character plus we wouldn’t have to endure Regina’s whining.

So yeah, interested to see where the Rumple/Hook blackmail plot is going to go.

I really hope they don’t bring Neal back.

Personally I don’t think bringing Milah back would have the same repercussions that bringing Marion back has. For one, Killian was never married to Milah, so there’s no vow to keep, a la Robin. It’s basically Hook’s love of Emma which stopped his vengeance kick, he changed to be worthy of her. Whereas Killian didn’t have to change to have Milah’s love, they were pirates together and I think Hook would realise that Milah was his first love and not his true love. It’s similar to the whole Neal thing, I know a lot of Nealfire fans like to think Neal was getting back with Emma when he came back into her life, but he so wasn’t. Emma was moving on (and onto Hook) and The New Neverland and Going Home show where her affections lie. She didn’t get a chance to act on those feelings before she was ripped away from her family. I think in the end Emma realised that Neal was her first love, but she had moved on. I think it would be the same for Killian if Milah appeared back in his life.

It would be quite mean to Milah to bring her back. Both men in her life have moved on to greener pastures (I’m not a Milah-shamer, but she really didn’t bring the best out in her men) and her son is dead. I think it’s nicer for her that she stay dead.

I’m concerned about what they’re going to do with Marion. Robin has pretty much said he loves Regina. And surely he can’t stay in a loveless marriage, that’s not fair on either on them. The easily solution is to have Marion killed, but that’s just a cop out. Unless there is an awesome twist somewhere, I think they’ve painted themselves into a corner.

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I was wrong, it’s not paisley, it’s floral!! 😀

http://lillyanjones.tumblr.com/post/101086748429/lets-take-a-moment-appreciate-hooks-floral

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Quickie: I never notice the shirt in the presence if the Irish eye-emoting and entwined hand-hugging)

Well I did watch those scenes quite a few times before I noticed the shirt. I was actually looking to see if he was still wearing his blue one, seeing just how far his costume change was going to stretch to.

Yes they do often dont they, but in the words of Ron Weasley “we’re gonna suffer, but we’re gonna be happy about it” lol

Oh that’s perfect! That pretty much sums up most relationships on this show.

Ouch, bit of a drop that! To be expected though I guess given the promotional material they used. I know on a group with 7000 plus members not one person was looking forward to yesterdays episode & many didnt bother watching thanks to the couple of interviews Lana gave combined with the promo of Regina tearing strips off of Emma (many see it as the whine-gina hr & many have stated they arent interested in hearing it all again, they’ve had enough of it & want S3 Regina back)- many seem to have just waited for clips on youtube/tumbler etc. Which I think is a little sad, as the episode wasnt at all ‘bad’ IMO.
I have seen hundreds of posts since the episode that are seriously not impressed with Regina’s ranting at Emma & I will admit, it surprised me as I thought the evilregals were probably the biggest character fan base given how often I see ‘Regina is the best’ stuff all over the place, but seems it’s more they are one of the most vocal about their love & Emma does actually indeed have the most supporters, it’s just they tend to be quieter. It really has been nice to see Emma so well defended against Regina’s diatribe- even on reviews that accepted Regina’s ranting & bashing of Emma, the comments seem to be skewed towards disgust & disappointment at Regina for her hypocrisy & admiration for Emma, for her not throwing everything Regina has done to her, in Regina’s face.

I didn’t watch the promos or read the interviews! (was trying to stay spoiler free this week) And probably glad I didn’t. I didn’t mind Regina being all a bit huffy and annoyed, that’s Regina, she needs to blame someone and she needed to vent. On my second watching I didn’t mind the episode so much. And also, with Emma just standing there and taking it, that’s what friends do. Emma did exactly the same thing to Hook last season. She was all whiny and whingy and Hook was taking all her snark and sarcasm, but he stood by her. Just like Emma is going to try and stand by Regina.

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*plants tongue firmly in cheek*
I have a very important question… as beautiful as those CS moments were, was it my imagination or was Hook wearing a brown paisley shirt under his jacket? Brown paisley??? When did pirates wear paisley?

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Hee!! Slytherin! 😀 Aww, and i already miss the jacket. I did read somewhere Colin saying that Hook perhaps misses his pirate coat too

I’m on board the angst train too, but the breaking-up train, not so much. As said, that gets a bit tedious after a while. Perhaps it’s Killian’s turn to pull away from Emma (not for too long, I hope) and she starts to wonder why and it will all come out in the wash and all will be well. The whole “love is a weapon” thing surely that’s got to come back and bite Rumple on his proverbial. Considering Emma’s got magic that is stronger than Regina’s (once she manages how to use it) and all her magic comes from love. Epic showdown between Rumple using love for evil and Emma using love for good?

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