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Obviously I can only speak for myself, but I’ve been liking the show less and less lately. I love the CS stuff, and the Frozen stuff, but the insane way they’re treating Regina is steadily eating away at any enjoyment I could possibly get from the show. The Snow-Regina interactions in this last episode made me want to throw up. I mean first of all, Snow tells Regina it’s okay to sleep with a married man because hey, she was “with” a married man at one point too! But Snow’s “with” is a picnic date and a couple of kisses, not an affair. And here’s the kicker: Snow and Charming were ALREADY MARRIED in reality the whole time! They were kept apart for 28 years because of REGINA! The only reason Snow/Mary Margaret felt guilty like that was because of Regina’s curse! It makes no sense to see her comparing THAT to what Regina and Robin are doing! (Although granted, I think the marriage part is more Robin’s responsibility than Regina’s since he’s the one who made the vows.) I mean ignoring the fact that Snow was kept away from HER HUSBAND–and in fact made to cheat on and be cheated on by her own husband–by this woman in a sickening sort of rape by proxy (the curse took away their knowledge and ability to consent) is just entirely ridiculous!
And let’s not forget that the woman whose husband Regina is sleeping with literally sacrificed everything to stop Regina from MURDERING SNOW. I mean come ON, how the heck can Snow’s loyalty be toward the woman who tried many times to MURDER HER instead of the woman who gave her life (in the original timeline) to prevent that murder?! And of course the only reason Robin was away from Marian long enough to fall for that atrocious woman was that Regina MURDERED HER TOO in the original timeline, or attempted to in the new one. Marian lost her husband’s love (not that he ever deserved her, clearly) and several years of her son’s life to protect Snow from Regina as well. It makes no sense at ALL that Snow’s sympathies would lie with Regina and not Marian. Oh, and we have another lovely example of Snow blaming herself for being a “brat” (which she wasn’t by the time she met Regina, as evidenced in 215) in order to absolve Regina of responsibility for years of torture and torment.
Then we have Regina finally sort of acknowledging that she emotionally abused Henry, but she made it sound like it was just a well-intentioned mistake instead of a calculated move to literally drive her son insane in order to keep her curse intact. Not to mention that we know for a FACT that she doesn’t regret ANYTHING, like she said in Neverland. She never would’ve gotten out of that tree otherwise. And that stuff that I listed was all just in this last two-hour episode, not even touching on Regina’s vicious, wildly hypocritical verbal assaults on Emma in 305 (or any other episode).
I hate how they’re taking characters who used to be awesome and stand up for themselves to Regina and turning them into complete morons possibly suffering from amnesia. It’s absolutely ruining the show for me. I’ve been more active on Tumblr lately because it’s just easier to express my frustration and disappointment there. I honestly don’t see the point in posting here anywhere outside this thread—I gave up on seeing any kind of reasonable debate a while ago—and this issue isn’t closely related to CS, so it doesn’t really belong here either, dragging everyone down with my negativity.
So yeah, there’s a lot I can put up with in regards to plot holes, major continuity issues, dropped storylines and characters, etc., but not destroying Snow’s, Henry’s, and Robin’s characters COMPLETELY, and Emma’s to some extent, to the point that they’re nearly unrecognizable. I had some brief hope that they were going to address the fact that Regina hasn’t actually changed when I saw that short interview with Lana from TVGuide saying that “the Evil Queen” would be in Storybrooke—but since we’ve seen photos from 412 filming it looks like that only lasted an episode or two. Between that and freaking Cruella coming to the show, I might give up entirely after this midseason finale. But then since I love Kristin Bauer, I might stick around for 4B while using the DVR to skip any Regina scenes. But if this horrendous whitewashing/widespread amnesia/woobification continues, I might just stop altogether. So yeah, that’s why I haven’t been posting here much and probably won’t be really active anymore in general.
[adrotate group="5"]I actually miss it when Snow and Emma talk because it doesn’t really happen anymore. The last time these two had a serious talk, I think it was ‘A Curious Thing’ last season when they were searching for the book for Henry. Prior to that, I think it was in Neverland in Ariel (3×06). I would love it if Snow took the initiative and talk to Emma. They did a lot of talking and bonding in season two when they were in Enchanted Forest. But if they do though, I wish Snow wouldn’t force her true love values on Emma and instead actually listen to Emma. Because I could not stand that about her in the Neverland arc.
I really miss seeing those two talk as well. Snow spent more time having awful victim-blaming conversations with the woman who tormented and abused her for 40+ years than with her own daughter in 3B. That was a real shame. However, I will say I don’t think Snow was 100% responsible for their relationship deteriorating during that time–Emma kept pulling back because up until the time-traveling adventure she intended to take Henry back to New York and be done with pretty much anyone in Storybrooke.
Of course then during said adventure she thought she’d watched her mother die when Regina gleefully burned her at the stake, and since that made her realize that she DID love and care about Snow, it seemed like that was going to have a big impact on their relationship. Looking back at that whole thing and then seeing the state of their relationship now is really quite sad.
! I’m not happy with Snow even one little bit. She keeps driving her own wedges between herself and Emma. And Charming/Hook/any other character has anything to do with her relationship with Emma. I’ve always felt a little harsh about Snowing because, as a parent, I just never bought their storyline that they’d put their child in some wardrobe not having any idea what would happen…I guess you could argue they trusted Pinocchio…but a kid??? Still not buying it. Charming has redeemed himself a lot, to me, because he looks at Emma and sees EMMA…he enjoys playing the Daddy role but he still understands that his daughter is an adult. Snow…just doesn’t get it. Still.
Well, they didn’t know Pinocchio was in there…Gepetto coerced the Blue Fairy into lying about the wardrobe only holding one person so Pinocchio could go through without anyone knowing.
The other thing that lots of people seem to forget is that they had absolutely no choice–Regina would have murdered newborn Emma if she hadn’t gone through the wardrobe. To Rumple she said, “it looks like getting rid of a baby just made my to-do list.” And then she had her knights try to kill Charming and baby Emma, and nearly succeeding in Charming’s case. I DO think Snow screwed up in this last episode; I’m not denying that, but I also think people–both viewers and characters–forget that they had no choice whatsoever in sending their baby through the wardrobe since the only other option was to watch her get murdered right before their eyes.
It’s like ever since Echo Cave, Snow and Emma have had this elephant in the room between them because Snow had to admit out loud that she wanted another baby because the relationship she had with Emma wasn’t what she wanted. And then the insensitive “well, we wanted to give him everything” comment about baby Neal (oh, and naming him “Neal”–I’d be offended if my parents named my little sibling after the person who took advantage of me as a teenager and then left me pregnant in jail for his crime…). It’s really sad to see Snow and Emma not getting along very well after their relationships (as friends and then family) in seasons one and two were so good! I hope that gets remedied soon.
Interesting! I’m used to hearing this game referred to as something else but I like how “Bed, Wed, Behead” sounds! And I’ve only ever played it by being given three specific characters and having to put one in each category, but I’ve never just picked from a whole work before…
Males:
Bed- Hmm…I’m going to go with Jefferson.
Wed- Hook, that was an easy one!
Behead- Hmm, I know which female character I’d put here right away, but for the males…I think I’ll go with King Xavier. He was only in the one episode but he really rubbed me the wrong way.
Females:
Bed- I think Ruby would be fun…
Wed- Trickier…oooh, perhaps Maleficent. We could have a large estate with a herd of miniature unicorns! Haha
Behead- Easiest one to answer, Regina. It’d be quicker to list terrible things she HASN’T done.
I think Robin might be killed off.
1. They refrained from making him a regular.
That’s a really big thing for me too–I expected Sean to be signed on as a regular between seasons three and four, but it didn’t happen. There could be plenty of reasons for that of course, but I still find it surprising. But who knows, it could still happen for 4B or whatever.
And you can’t kill off Robin Hood! I’m sorry, you just can’t. He’s Robin Hood and unkillable. Poor Robin, he’s getting a bit of a backlash. I’m not in the Robin is a douche camp just yet, as long as he stands by his decision and not string either Regina or Marian (if she wakes up) along. It might be weird, but I’ve never enjoyed the relationship between Robin Hood and Maid Marian (in everything I’ve watched it always seems forced, I guess b/c of its history) so I’m happy for the ‘legendary’ couple to be broken up.
Interesting. Like I said, if they were going to kill off someone who’s been on the show for a while (I still don’t think they will, but if) I think Robin would make the most sense. He hasn’t felt like Robin Hood to me at ALL this season, probably because I find it ridiculous that someone famous for standing up to oppressive tyrants would fall for someone who pretty much personifies that perfectly.
And I have always liked Robin and Marian in the versions I’ve seen, and I really like OUAT’s Marian as well–she’s a really strong, principled, butt-kicking woman and I really hope they don’t kill her off! (Even if a certain cast member has explicitly stated that (s)he does want her to die…) And not just because I really like her–Roland also needs at least one decent parent. (Who’s been taking care of him while his mother’s been frozen and his father’s been off mooning over Regina?) And I’d really have liked to see a scene with Snow thanking Marian for risking her life and refusing to give her up to Regina, but I’m pretty sure that’ll never happen, sadly.
Ever since they brought Marian back and revealed that Regina was the one who had killed her in the first place, I personally gave up on OQ–not in the sense that I think it’ll never happen, but in the sense that there’s no way it could happen that wouldn’t make Robin seem like a total jerk in my opinion. I really don’t know where they’re going with that particular triangle!
There has been foreshadowing Killian will get hurt, yes- 401 & 403 did that, however they also strongly foreshadowed Emma fighting for him/them in every ep & have strongly foreshadowed CS = TL/TLK. Those saying he’ll die are simply ignoring the story line, it makes no sense to spend 2-3seasons developing Emma- who fears letting love in, with this epic love story that is CS, to then just go destroy her by ripping it all away- it would pretty much effectively destroy any chance Emma had of a HEA, not to mention set her character development right back by at least 2seasons- as I seriously doubt she’d trust or let love in again if she lost Killian.
The facts are :
The producers didnt say “there will be another major death”- thats just people freaking out & miss quoting what was actually said & I quote here
Is there going to be a major character death this season?
Kitsis: I hope so.http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/10/31/once-upon-time-hot-seat-spoilers/
Stating the obvious- the villains are “major” characters
We didnt actually hear what SQ whispered in Rumple’s ear, so what she said is 100% fan speculation until we find out next week
Me personally- I think Rumple will do something to Killian- he was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to happy/gleeful to need to do whatever it was for it not to be Killian & we all know Rumple wants Killian dead- If SQ gets rid of all Rumple’s complications with taking out Hook (*coughEMMAcough*), then he’ll happily do so, as he can blame everything on SQ (to Belle). However we know Colin is filming in 411, so whatever happens, it’s not death
Plus we are supposed to see Emma fight for Killian this season & we have Killian back story coming in 4B. CS is probably the most promoted ship by ABC & they know it’s probably the largest ship (thanks to S4 Rumple & Robin) this season, so they obviously feel there are enough people watching Once, whom are also invested in CS, that they wont want to take the risk of loosing a big chunk of the viewership- ABC wont let A&E risk shooting their profit margin in the foot.I agree that it’s unlikely they’d kill off Hook anytime soon; it would be pretty stupid. Of course, you never know, but I’m not really worried at the moment.
I’ve seen lots of speculation lately that Robin could be dying at some point–we’ve seen that Regina “reverts” to being the Evil Queen (I don’t think she ever really changed considering her recent behavior, but that’s beside the point) in at least some capacity, and I think Lana said in that recent interview with TVGuide that something would happen to cause that–it’s probably just the shattered sight thing, but it could be something more significant. There’s also the fact that Sean hasn’t been made a series regular as far as anyone knows (but could certainly still be considered a “major” character). And that would resolve the whole Marian-Robin-Regina triangle, albeit not very nicely.
Honestly though I still think it’s what I said before, that it’s probably either someone like Ingrid–we’ve certainly seen the villains die before–or another temporary death.
As for the other thing, I also agree it sure seems likely that Killian is somehow involved in whatever it is that Ingrid told Rumple to do based on how delighted he was at the prospect. Whether it is, like some have said, a “heart-of-the-thing-you-hate-most” thing, or taking Killian out of commission in order to distract Emma and cause her to further lose control of her magic, or something else altogether, I don’t know, but I’m anxious to find out! I did think it was weird that in the preview it looked like Rumple was giving her a potion of some sort to take away her magic rather than just sucking her into the hat though. Hmm.
Wow, the thread is so much slower today! Ha. I don’t have much to add with any Ingrid speculation; I’m just waiting till Sunday to find out.
According to the articles and stuff, it looks like this episode is going to be really sad for Emma. It’s just…and I’m sorry to go here again, but why would they bring up all of this stuff about how tragic it is that she lost 28 years she could’ve been spending with her parents and ten that she could’ve spent with Henry shortly after the episode in which she was attacked by and then begged for forgiveness/friendship from the horrible person who’s responsible for it all?! Why?! I’m just sick of the victim blaming on this show! On the other hand, seeing what they’ve been doing with Robin Hood lately, I think I’m starting to ship OQ because they freaking deserve each other. They can run off together and everyone else in Storybrooke would be so much better off!
But in an effort to move on to happier things–I’m glad it looks like we’ll also see Emma spending time with Henry and Elsa. And I am really curious to see how far and in which direction they take this whole Emma-trying-to-get-Gold-to-take-away-her-magic storyline. At least hopefully that will lead to Killian coming clean with her about that whole situation with Gold. And then the two-hour episode to hold us over for the week that’s being skipped for the American Music Awards. (And of course by “hold us over”, I mean “drive us crazy with some awful cliffhanger”, haha.)
Wow, this thread’s grown fast!
Speaking of positive, this: http://winger-hawk.tumblr.com/post/101838595748/i-love-your-theories-metas-and-i-hope-they-pan-out-i -is IMHO an awesome description of Season 3 and it also goes into Regina’s light magic (which was the headcanon I had of sorts) It’s not CS, but I thought you guys might appreciate it. (Also had no clue where else to post it!)
I follow this person on Tumblr and I REALLY hope that she’s right about a lot of things. Unfortunately, I’m afraid she might’ve put more thought into planning ahead like this than the writers have…and it definitely never occurred to me before I read from her that Killian might possibly ever get magic. I think that would be really cool, but I’m not gonna hold my breath. Of course I have read some other theories that mention since we’ve seen pictures of him filming with the hat, maybe Killian gets magic through it, or maybe even turns the tables on Rumple and manages to suck him into the hat–wasn’t there a spoiler somewhere about Emma asking Rumple to take away her powers? That could certainly prompt Killian to want to take action against him.
But I’m glad to be anticipating this upcoming episode instead of dreading it, ha. Although that sneak peek definitely did make me roll my eyes. I mean I don’t know how he’s supposed to fall back in love with someone who’s frozen, but he’s really acting like a bit of a schmuck at the moment.
OUaT is becoming the ultimate goofy Disney villain and heroes advertising show, walking well-trodden popculture lanes and ignoring the richness of the global fairy tale worlds, and that has not much of an appeal to me, though it might work perfect for U.S. market. Already didn’t fancy the Neverland arc that much, and was only slightly more interested in the Oz thing, because of Oz being so rich in tales, which they sorely avoided to make any good use of. I liked Victoria Smurfit in Dracula, and guess she will be a great Cruella, but I just don’t care at all about Cruella at this point. It wouldn’t matter that much, if they hadn’t butchered their characters though, what they did in 4×05 was plain awful IMO. This character news doesn’t get me any excited. Looks like I will be able to offer an open spot on my list of interesting shows to watch for this Spring.
(Bolded by me) Seriously, I’m 100% with you on both of those things. If they have to keep up with introducing new characters at such an alarming rate, there are so many other things they could be doing. I was more okay with the Frozen stuff because (a) in all honesty, I just liked that movie and (b) with the “an act of true love can thaw a frozen heart” stuff it felt like that actually fit in with the show. But after almost literally making the animated characters come to life from the latest Disney movie, couldn’t they step back and do something else? I mean they already have Maleficent for at least some of 4B.
And on that subject, I think my one hope for how I might maybe not hate this: she turns her attention from puppies to magical creatures and goes after Maleficent’s mini unicorn (or maybe she now has a whole herd of mini unicorns!), so Maleficent takes her out. I would like that. As long as it didn’t take up too many episodes. Just two or three episodes could still be considered “recurring”, right?
I know a lot of people want to see her- but I too would be mighty pis….ticked off if they tried to justify her harming of defenseless animals, so I seriously hope they dont go there. IF they stay true to her being a horrible human being, whom gets her comeuppance for trying to harm Pongo & co, then fine- moral of the story… do unto others, as you would have them do to you. I wont stop watching unless they cross a line- which I seriously doubt they will- 1) it’s a family show & 2) It’d be a political nightmare, what with the zillion animal rights & activists groups who’d get up in arms (which is one of the reasons I feel they havent gone there yet- how to stay true to that story, without kicking the massive hornet nest in the process).
Also so think it’s a little unfair to say people care more about animals than people- I think MOST people who feel very strongly about animal cruelty, also feel just as strongly about child abuse, because it comes down to the one fundamental thing that both are deprived of- free will/ choice … animals & children most often dont get to choose what people do to them & with them- they are taught to trust in people & then people harm them…. its beyond horrible.
I’m glad you feel that way too! Unfortunately this show’s record with abuse and victim-blaming gives me reason to fear that they just might cross that line…
