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I feel like banging my head against a wall. But at least now I know.

I’m trying to think of possible “good” outcomes…let’s see, best for me personally would be she and Regina kill each other off. Ha, just kidding; I know that’ll never happen. I’d find Killian all the sexier if he were the one to stop her. Maybe Henry will stop her; he really likes Pongo. Poetic justice would be Ruby killing her! Blech, I just can’t imagine how they’re going to shoehorn her into this world at all, let alone as a freaking recurring character. Ugh. Considering this show’s record with whitewashing horrible crimes I’m afraid this could be a shark-jumping type moment for me. And I’d be really sad because I’ve been a fan of this show since before the pilot aired.

Ohh, another way I might like this arc: she goes after Maleficent’s miniature unicorn and Maleficent kills out! Now Maleficent, she’s a villain whose redemption I could buy (as of now; I don’t know what stuff they might show us later). We haven’t seen her do anything particularly terrible and permanent, and I respect her for caring so much about her mini unicorn. 🙂 Maybe she can take out Cruella and “redeem” herself (I don’t know exactly why I put that in quotes…possibly because it gets tossed around so much it’s nearly lost all meaning to me). Actually one of the reasons why I love Kristin Bauer Van Straten is because in real life she’s an animal activist. (The other is she’s awesome in True Blood.)

Oh who am I kidding? She’ll probably be BFFs with Regina and they’ll rewrite the book together and she’ll live happily ever after surrounded by the pelts of countless slaughtered animals.

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Well there goes most of my excitement for 4B. Ugh.

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If they did do her, I don’t think they’d actually show her hurting animals. (although they did show the heart being taken from the unicorn) but hurting animals on tv is a big no no because the audience cares more about the animals then the people. I could see her going after magical creatures like Ruby for their magical properties.

Well then as far as I’m concerned, she shouldn’t be on the show at all, because that’s what she’s known for. And I stand by what I said before, no matter what they have her do on the actual show, I’ll be pretty offended if they try to make her even remotely sympathetic or her actions justified. And I don’t think they would either; they’d probably alienate a lot of the audience. But bring that character in and it’s definitely implied. And I know about other people, but one of the issues I have with animal abuse being shown on screen is the long and sordid history of actually torturing animals for film. (I could go into more detail, but I’ll spare everyone!)

I really don’t see how Cruella can fit into the OUAT universe – AT ALL! . I’m inclined to think this actress for 4B is Aurora’s mother, the original Sleeping Beauty, Briar Rose or one of the three fairies. Plus, I googled her and the actress is Irish and Sarah Bolger who is our Aurora is Irish too. 

I don’t see how either! Maybe she comes from Alice’s “fictional London” instead of the EF, haha. But with this and rumors of a Dalmatian puppy on set…it’s got me worried. And I wouldn’t be so worried about it if she were a one-episode villain either, but this character is apparently recurring. I’d much rather see Aurora’s mother, or the Black Fairy, or, well, anyone else, lol. I’m very much looking forward to having Kristin Bauer back, but this might put a damper on things. *sigh*

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Hm. I hadn’t heard any of those rumors. I just assumed it was either an unsurprising villain death or a temporary death.

However, I did see the new casting spoiler and good lord if it’s really Cruella Devil (which, with the Dalmatian puppy spoiler, seems unfortunately likely), I just…ugh. She’s by far my least favorite Disney villain (and not in a love-to-hate way, just a hate-to-hate way). I swear if they try to give her any kind of sympathetic backstory or try to “redeem” her, I’m done. Just done (and by done, I mean stop watching, not keep watching for the express purpose of hating it, haha) . I can’t stand anyone hurting animals. I can only hope that that person will play some other character, any other character. Ugh.

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Oh, and I assume everybody noticed in the preview for next week when Ingrid was taunting Emma about “the family that you have” they showed pictures of not only Snow and Charming but also Killian–how cute is that? (It was a bit stupid that Henry wasn’t included, but according to the press release he’s off working/spying in Mr. Gold’s shop.) From the pictures though, I do anticipate feeling awful for Emma while she watches her mother and brother have what she missed out on with both her mother and her own child. 🙁

And while there’s undoubtedly some tough stuff to come (we still haven’t scene any scenes with Killian in the holding cell…I don’t remember what they were shooting when we got that picture), I do like the idea that maybe the apparent lack of Killian in the filming for 411 means that he’s been cursed by Ingrid. And we all know how curses are broken…Oh, and we have that encouraging little tidbit from A&E’s recent interview.

 

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I understand where you are coming from, I pretty much answered where i;m coming from re Regina in my response to Bo, so I wont repost it here

Oh, your attitude (and pretty much everyone else’s around here) is definitely the healthier one that’ll let you enjoy the show more than I will. But I know I have a tendency to hold grudges to some extent, and apparently that includes fictional characters, haha. (Perhaps that’s why I can identify with Hook to an extent. Although of course I’ve never tried to kill anyone. :-))

Althoough it could simply be the way the writers have decided to go to remind the audience & inform thenew audience that Killian is still “Captain Hook” & as such hasa rich backstory with Rumple (I’m fully expecting that Milah comes up because of this fact- other wise the Rumple & Killian animosity just wont make sense to new viewers).

I think it was Robert Carlyle who said in a recent interview that her name does indeed come up at some point. I just hope they don’t make it seem like Rumple was the victim in their situation.

surayya wrote:

Oh, I LOVE your interpretation of Belle here- I may steal it for myself now

Be my guest  

Haha, nice–I see what you did there!

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I was responding to @ellemo78’s post and it reminded me of this gifset that I wanted to post here:

 

“Emma Swan Has Just as Much of a Villain’s Backstory as Anyone:” (Source)

 

 

 

 

 

 

That person has SUCH a good point; I’ve thought about how sad and horrible Emma’s life was, and about whether the villains were justified in what they did based on what happened to them, but I never really put it together this perfectly. Emma has been through just as much–if not more–than the villains on this show, but she’s still an incredible person who, aside from some minor stealing for survival, has never descended into any kind of “villainy”. This is one of the reasons why I love this character so much!

 

 

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Gonna admit it- I’m back to enjoying/loving Regina again this ep- Loved how selfless she was telling Robin to put her side & find away to love Marian….. big points to Regina’s growth right there- at least she has been genuinely trying to help him. I still am a bit peeved off at her after last ep- that just wasn’t cool- in any way shape or form, but if Emma can build a bridge & be the bigger person- so can I.

I wish I could say the same, but I don’t think I’m ever going to enjoy Regina’s character at all unless they quit with the whitewashing and return her to Evil Queen status (so, probably never, lol). That said, while I found her jealousy that Emma’s in a happy relationship annoying and, of course, unjustified, that made much more sense than the offensive, hypocritical crap Regina was spewing last week—and it’s the kind of thing I could see Emma just taking instead of fighting about it whereas what she had to endure last week…well, it gave her that “kicked puppy” feel. (And while we’re on the subject—how the heck is Robin supposed to fall in love with Marian again when she’s completely frozen? It makes no sense.)

And speaking of villains, I totally agree with what’s been said about The Snow Queen (or should we call her Ingrid now?). She’s a GREAT villain, much more subtle and understated than the others so far, even if her motives seem to be rather similar to Zelena’s. And I don’t really know enough about her motives yet to determine how sympathetic she is, but she does genuinely seem to care about Emma, so I’m looking forward to seeing more of what they had and why she erased Emma’s memories of her (although I must say, this whole “memory-erasure” plot device is getting old pretty quickly…) Regardless, I can’t wait to see her backstory next week!

As to the actual CS stuff—like @callmeLola said, there wasn’t much of it this week, but we really can’t complain too much since we’ve been a bit spoiled lately. I was a little disappointed that we didn’t even get a glimpse of whatever Hook and Rumple are up to for the second episode in a row, but I guess there isn’t time for everything. The line about there being lots of other blondes though…what even was that? I guess it makes sense if it’s a reference to trying to find Emma in NYC, not so much if (as the haters say) it’s a reference to ogling other women. I mean we all know how devoted he is to Emma; he wasn’t interested in anyone else even when her services were bought and paid for AND he thought he’d never see Emma again. (Actually something just occurred to me…the haters really need to make up their minds: is Hook creepily, stalkerishly obsessed with Emma or does he just want to use her as a trophy/notch on his bedpost then dump her? Haha.)

Umm, since I can’t seem to rein in the verbiage today, I’ll probably post again later about upcoming episodes. I’m just glad this week’s episode didn’t make me want to hurl anything at my TV! Ha. Also, thanks for pointing out that magazine…I think I’ll buy it on iTunes myself, although it doesn’t appear to be available quite yet.

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Once day & there’s been zero activity???? What is this evil magic I see before me?

Well I started writing something last night, but got distracted and then tired so I just gave up, lol.

Soooo, do I understand this correctly… Belle’s mother risked Belle’s life & died to save books from Ogres? Umm- What were those books about that made them worth not only risking her own life, but that of her only daughter as well? Is that being a hero or just stupid… Dont get me wrong, I love books…. but dead is dead- like there isnt usually a 2nd chance once you die & she didnt have magic or weapons- I assume… so how exactly did she manage to hold off an ogre? …wait… do ogres even read? Like do they even care about what a book is *has hilarious image of a big bad ogre trying desperately to turn just a single page, in a tiny, little (to him) fairy tale book he’s trying to read, with his massive finger… *snort* (It was probably a prophecy about Emma come to think of it :p ) Anybody else get the feeling Rumple took Belles memories at the bequest of her father ….

So from what we saw…yes, Belle and Colette stayed behind to save some books. I don’t think Colette wanted Belle to stay with her (when the guards asked, she said “I will find her, now go!”) but she couldn’t stop her and apparently the guards couldn’t find her to drag her out. So they grab a few last books, then of course they waste a few precious seconds chatting about why Belle loves books, and then decide to hide under a table until the Ogres pass through.

Now we knew from before that Ogres “are blind. They hunt by sound alone”. Okay, so they were being quiet under the table…but then why did Colette say “Shh, it’s going to be alright” before they were gone? And the idea of Colette sacrificing herself for Belle reminds me of season two when Snow drew the Ogre away from Emma. I could see Colette getting up, running a few yards away, and shouting so the guards have time to get Belle out. But just because it’s plausible doesn’t mean it’s true (if so, then why wouldn’t he just tell her right off the bat?).

As for the books, well, unless they had some Braille books in the library I think the blindness rules out their actually wanting them. ;-P I think the Ogres just destroy everything in their path so they’d probably rip up the books or at the very least destroy the castle so they’d be exposed to the elements.

Snow was so sweet, enraptured at seeing her daughter as a little kid for the 1st time (Emma better keep a close eye on that tape or Snow is going to snatch it, me thinks lol), rather than seeing the ‘big picture’ of evil Snow Queen as her foster mother LOL!!! I have to admit I love how touched Snowing are at all things Emma, this season <3

I definitely thought it was both sweet and heartbreaking for Snow to see a young Emma. Although I didn’t appreciate Regina butting in while Snow was trying to see some of Emma’s childhood—you know, a few minutes of those 28 years as a family that Regina STOLE from them. (Residual anger from last week? Check.)

Couldn’t believe Belle lying at 1st, but understand it after Snow Queen cave/mirror events. It explains the weird look on her face all season, she knew exactly where Anna was & why Elsa couldnt find her. Was great to get a bunch of Belle back story & enjoyed pairing Belle & Anna together for their little Rock Troll adventure- very cute.

Yeah…it really reminded me of Hook in “The Jolly Roger” last year—hiding information from someone searching for her loved one because she was ashamed. Which is weird, because Hook and Belle don’t usually remind me of each other, lol. But it does also explain why Belle hasn’t been as helpful this season as she was before (like just standing there while David and Hook were trying to get Emma out of the ice cave)—she didn’t want to get involved there at all.

Rumple, Rumple, Rumple *shakes head*… so to keep your dirty big (because it isnt little) secret, you are willing to let Belle endanger herself by trying to confront the Snow Queen?!?! Grinds teeth.. Seriously?! Was fully expecting ice-Anna to pop back up at all the “Belle!” shouting, so it was cool to get ‘magic mirror Belle’ instead…Belle in the mirror was just creepy- totally got a “Host” vibe off of those creepy, creepy eyes lol & what made it sooooooooo much worse was that everything it said regarding Rumple, was all shades of true….so whats the deal with it, why did it make her go ‘evil’ after wards- still not 100% sure on what it does exactly…

Yes, and that was weird for me—it felt to me like a mirror that shows the truth rather than one that just makes you evil/angry/unable to see beauty or good.

Why in the love of all that’s green didnt Belle wonder why Rumple was still able to hold onto her after telling him to “Let me go” 3 times????? Should that have been the 2nd question on her lips after how did you come in here after me if this is the real dagger?!? Belle’s horror at herself with cutting Rumple was heart breaking. UGH!!!

My thoughts exactly! You’re holding the dagger, yelling at him to let you go, and he DOESN’T! That should’ve been like a big neon sign over the dagger blinking “FAKE”, lol. But then the cutting thing made no sense—two weeks ago we saw Hook stab Rumple with the eponymous appendage and he wasn’t affected at all. Shouldn’t the same hold true for the fake dagger since it shouldn’t have any magic?

And Rumple’s behavior, while not surprising, was disappointing…instead of coming clean he just keeps digging himself deeper! And now we have a whole NEW lie in that he had to pretend not to know anything about the hat. It’s very interesting to know that Belle would recognize the box though if she saw it!

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This one had me actually laugh out loud

>Anonymous asked:
I think if there were any major MAJOR character deaths it’d be Belle or Will Scarlet. They couldn’t kill off one of Snowing with out losing the other because they share a heart. Will is new enough to not be too huge of a sacrifice for the audience. Belle would fuel a crazy good Rumple arc that would last a long time. The only way any other character would die, IMO, would be if the actor wanted to explore other professional options.

I don’t think anyone is gonna die. I think it’s just Adam trolling. I also think he learned his lesson last year with revealing anything about possible character deaths. It overshadows everything. So if anyone is dying or not dying, my money is that it will be a complete surprise.

Agreed. Or we could see another temporary death. I mean technically Charming died last season in 319; he just came back a minute later. And Henry died briefly in the first season when Regina poisoned him, but Emma brought him back. And then whatever that was with Rumple. We’ve had plenty of the major characters “die”, but they rarely stay that way.

Ugh, I’m still not looking forward to tonight’s episode like I used to. I just hope this one and 407 (I do have slightly higher hopes for that one since it looks like it’ll be the Snow Queen’s backstory and A&E wrote it themselves) are better than last week’s so I can get psyched for the two-hour one!

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