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Actually Sarah, I think 4×09 maybe Rumple centric, because I just remembered a very old interview Bobby did where he said by episode 9, things get bad for Rumple..
I saw one theory from a SQ shipper, who thinks Rumple hid the dagger to kill Hook (promised revenge to Neal’s grave, and maybe he blames Hook because the reason for the bean was for Rumple who went bad after Milah left him). I saw another theorizing Humpty Dumpty. Maybe it’s more of an analogy for either Killian, or Rumple. I guess we’ll just have to see.
Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall (Emma’s wall?)
Huumpty Dumpty had a great FALL (the theory that Killian goes bad after what the Snow Queen might do to him, i.e. Kai from the story, whose vision of things good and beautiful was distorted)
All the King’s horses, and all the King’s men (David’s family and friends, with inclusion of Emma)
Couldn’t put Humpty Dumpty together again.Hmm. Let me preface this by saying that it’s definitely not all SQ shippers, but overall in my experience, a lot of the Hook hate comes from them. So my first instinct is to say that it could be just wishful thinking from that person.
But overall wow, that’s a very elaborate theory! Did the Humpty Dumpty thing come from anywhere in particular? I feel like we would’ve seen or heard something from that…I’ve seen some photos from filming of that episode–I tried to post the pictures earlier but the spoiler tags didn’t work and since they were quite spoilery, I quickly edited the post and deleted them. But the first one can be found here, and then there are more with those two. So what the heck could Hook and Rumple be doing hanging out together while Hook has the sorcerer’s hat?! And he has the hook back…hmm.
But yeah, I’m not particularly worried about any more of the main characters dying at the moment…honestly, I’d still guess that MRJ wanted to leave and that’s why they decided to get rid of Neal. It really didn’t make that much sense, and it seemed so abrupt, especially because he wasn’t even in the two episodes before he died either, if I remember correctly. And just out of curiosity, I checked out his IMDB page a while back and I think Once is the longest he’s worked on one project–maybe he just got bored and wanted to move on. And it’s not like Neal’s storyline was all that exciting at that point either. Pure speculation on my part though, of course.
Less than 24 hours! And it sounds like this should be a good one for CS! 😉
[adrotate group="5"]I actually wonder if they are working toward having Hook and Rumple ultimately bond in some way. I’ve actually wondered why they don’t get along now. I mean Milah treated Rumple like crap and now he is married to his TL Belle, so in hindsight Milah leaving him allowed him to find him his TL. And CS is pretty much shaping up to be TL as well so if Milah had lived Killian would never had found Emma. So in bizarre ways Rumple and Hook’s actions both lead the other to find their TL’s. Not that I think that excuses killing people or going on a 300 year quest for revenge. But ultimately that IS what resulted from those things. So really I don’t get what their problem with each other is anymore. So if they can have Hook and Rumple work together to have Rumple end up with character growth, they could end up bonding. Just a theory.
That’s what I’m afraid of, that Rumple will become another Regina–someone who seems to be doing better now, and so expects everyone else to immediately forgive and forget all of the horrendous things they’ve done in the past without so much as a hint of regret (and then they will, for some reason). I’m just kinda tired of forgetting or ignoring Rumple’s vicious murder of his first wife because she hurt his feelings, then hacking off the hand of the man who loved her and actually treated her like an equal. I guess it wouldn’t seem so crazy if there were some kind of revelation from Rumple and he acknowledged that what he did was pretty awful.
SOoooooooo very confused now … Scene # 1: Emma and Elsa leaving Gold’s shop and holding Anna necklace Scene # 2: Emma and Elsa entering the library Scene # 3: Emma, Elsa, Anna and Kristoff running and entering Granny’s dinner Scene # 4: Gold and Hook entering the dinner while holding a blue pointy hat Scene # 5: Mr. Gold and Belle talking in front of Gold’s shop, Belle gives him an object we know well (the dagger), they hug before parting. When she returned to the store, Gold cast a spell on it and then Hook gave him something (the round box that we saw in episode 4×01?) Scene # 6: filmed at the docks and involved Gold and Hook but was completely inaccessible http://hookier.tumblr.com/post/99653095319/ouat-filming-10-09-14-scenes-description-and-big So, is Killian under Rumple’s control, are they working together, is Rumple under Killy’s control Or is Killian under SnowQueen control……
Well, which episode are they filming now–409, maybe? I’m not surprised none of it makes too much sense yet, haha. But yeah, I just hope that they don’t turn things around to make Hook and Rumple best pals. After what’s gone on between them, that would just seem way too weird and out of character. Of course, that’s kinda what they did with Regina and Emma, so I guess I shouldn’t hold my breath.
On the bright side, we DO get another CS kiss in two days, and then their date in the episode after that! Regina is bugging me this season, but at least the CS is making up for it so far. 🙂
Found it!!! Notice the earring . . . pierced, yes?? http://montanarosalie.tumblr.com/post/99668514357/colinodonorgasm-colin-odonoghue-ouat-set Sorry, I tried to post the picture. It showed up when I wrote the post but then disappeared when I posted it.
Well, they do make magnetic earrings that pretty much look just like studs for pierced ears, so I’m guessing it’s one of those. Sorry if that bursts anyone’s bubble!
Maybe they should have an actual election!
(And to be fair, it doesn’t seem like Regina would have actually had to do much as mayor, since until Emma arrived they were living the same day over and over.)
And the amount of hate Jen gets on twitter on a daily basis for ‘shipping CS and being happy for her character, is truly disgusting. I’ll take the tea incident because that’s the most recent as well as the most ridiculous fight ever. People were getting upset on twitter because Jen made a comment that she wanted to buy a Captain Swan flavored tea. I’m like, really? You’re getting bent out of shape over a tea blend? On a site where you can make your own tea blend?
One of the nastier comments I read was that someone hoped Hook would give Emma an STD. You don’t make snide or joking remarks like that, even when it’s about a fictional character. It’s really poor taste.
I know, right? It’s not like some major tea corporation endorsed CS! And then there was that whole thing with Yvette Nicole Brown, which led to her and Jen getting attacked on Twitter and YNB saying that she wasn’t going to live tweet the episodes anymore. And that’s a shame, because I enjoyed her commentary.
And yeah, I’ve seen a variety of disturbing comments like that. It’s like some people just can’t separate actors and characters (I see that a lot on Twitter). And it usually comes across as an unpleasant combination of rude and creepy. I don’t know if this came up here or not, but it was going around on Tumblr–another one of those “open letter” things, this time to Jen. (Here‘s a link if any of you are as morbidly curious as I was, lol.)
Predictably, I’m glad they got rid of the first scene and wish they’d kept the second. 😛 Ah, the perils of working with a rigid TV time limit.
I am REALLY glad they released that second one though since we’d heard about it. I would’ve been expecting that conversation in the next couple of episodes if I hadn’t found out that it was supposed to be in this one.
This should lift the spirits of those still here
& since the singer also ships CS in real life, it gets even more points
Aw, another one with that song! The first one you posted with that song totally made me fall in love with it and I immediately bought it from iTunes. 🙂 And then I saw that on Tumblr too, someone mentioned that she ships CS. How much fun is that?!
Just wanted to let you all know how much I love, love, love to read what you all have to say. I think my mind is still blown away by how wonderful those episodes were.
I love reading what everyone’s thoughts are too! You should post more often too–just roll your eyes at the haters and then come here to vent about them; that seems to be a popular activity in this thread. 😉
And then of course there’s been quite a bit to celebrate here recently too…I don’t know how long it will last, so I guess we have to enjoy it while we can, haha.
Does anyone recognize the double standards going on here? I feel as though Regina is being ganged up on here. Yet, as of S3, she is the one out of all the main anti-heroes who has actually made the most substantial progress. I’m not even an Evil Regal, but I certain recognize that Regina has made more progress on the road to redemption than either Hook or Rumple.
As of S3b, Hook had killed Blackbeard for a ship. Rumple had killed Zelena to avenge his son’s death. Regina, on the other hand, saved everyone from her sister and then even saved Marian, the woman whose very presence means the end of Regina’s hopes for romance. She may be tempted to turn to evil methods, but so far has shown herself to be resisting that temptation. Instead of actually harming Marian, she saved her for the sake of Robin and Roland.
So, please think twice before vilifying Regina while turning a blind eye to the very real misdeeds of Hook and Rumple.
Well like I said, my issue is that Regina hasn’t really expressed any regret or taken responsibility for what she’s done (and in fact has done the complete opposite “I should be overflowing with regret–but I’m not!”). And she may have given up on the idea of going back in time and killing Marian before Emma could rescue her, but she still plans to find the author of the book and force him or her to give her a happy ending instead. And the way she intends to do that involved imprisoning a man inside a mirror (even while he begged her not to), after having left him in a cell for a couple years (taking the blame for her crimes), and forgetting about him completely. That just doesn’t seem all that redeemed to me.
Of course Rumple and Hook have done bad things too (although Hook has committed far fewer crimes and less severe ones than the other two) and he’s expressed remorse through both words and actions. Is he officially “done” with making amends or whatever? No, of course not–and I don’t think someone’s ever really “done” with that. I could continue, but I went back and looked at some of my previous posts, and I don’t really know what else I could say that’s not repeating myself. I guess I could make a list of Regina’s crimes versus Rumple’s crimes versus Hook’s crimes, but that would take a while, haha.
ETA: Yeah, the above replies say it much more succinctly than I did, haha. No one’s saying Regina’s the only villain on the show.
And who knows….Regina may just ask the Book’s Author to bring her back Daniel! Because even though Daniel may have not been her soul mate…he was still her true love.
That’s an interesting idea; if the book’s author is powerful enough to do that, that would tie everything up neatly. And I know there was no pixie dust, but Regina considered Daniel her soul mate–when speaking with Tinker Bell that first time, she asked if she really could find her another soul mate.
Well…what a way to have hope for redemption? Must we replay Season 3? The Charmings are Regina’s family now, given two of them are idiots, they’re still family. And she’s come too far to want everyone dead except Henry. Perhaps this woman, whose been through h*** and back just wants peace for once in her life?
Well she’s the one who’s been standing in the way of peace for herself and everyone else. Like I said, I just can’t buy her “redemption” without some indication that she’s actually sorry for what she’s done, and that she’s accepted responsibility for her terrible deeds and stopped blaming other people. I don’t know exactly how Regina feels about anyone anymore really, and as we’ve seen in the first episode, her first instinct when angry was still to kill people who are in the way of what she feels she deserves. Although like I said, I think the idea of getting her happy ending by bringing Daniel back could be a good one, and as far as I can tell wouldn’t really hurt anyone else if it were done sort of the way Marian came back, without changing events before.
