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Well, for Regina it’s rarely mattered what it meant for anyone else. She is an inherently self-centered woman, and that is what has made her a villain–she pursues what she wants regardless of how it affects others. She’s occasionally moved past that, but it’s a habit that’s clearly going to die hard.
Agreed. I get the impression that Regina’s ideal happy ending would still be exactly what she wanted in season two–everyone dead besides her and Henry (and now Robin, I suppose).
[adrotate group="5"]Personally, I think finding the author of the book, and asking him/her to give villains happy endings is opening up a whole huge can of worms. Meaning, that book has no stories from Storybrooke. They’re all from the Enchanted Forest, before Regina cast her curse and before Regina’s redemption.
That’s a really good point–are any events from Storybrooke in the book at all? Does that mean that Regina wants to get rid of Storybrooke entirely (again) and go back to the EF so the book can change things? Hm.
Hook gets a lot of hate from some fans. I saw a review thing that started off reasonably funny but then the person wished Hook would just die which I thought was very extreme considering this episode he didn’t do anything wrong. Also some of the negativity is just depressing and self-centred. I wish people would stop hoping the show would end or is cancelled just because they don’t like it anymore. There is a simple solution to that which wouldn’t ruin it for every other fan that does still enjoy the show- it’s called stop watching!
Amen Price!! I don’t understand a lot of the so-called fans of the show. When I think about the hypocrisy that goes on…it makes me so angry. There’s double-standards everywhere and I realize, no one wants to pick apart bad things their favorite character has done but really, no character on this show is exempt from doing bad things. Even the good guys have made bad choices. (Mary Margaret anyone, Pinocchio?). It’s really infuriating to see fans white wash over character’s actions altogether especially when we’re presented something contrary on screen. And the vehement hate towards characters that get in the way of their ‘ships. Speaking for Outlaw Queen, I mildly ‘ship it but seriously, Maid Marian, traditionally is not an evil person. I could rant on and on but I need to eat dinner now. I get to watch 4×02 tomorrow and I already have a meta idea in mind.
I definitely agree with those sentiments…I mean, I’ve heard of “hate-watching” and all, but it’s weird seeing so many people rather obsessed with a show but wanting so badly for it to end. And yeah, no one on the show is perfect. And the people who most often go on anti-Hook tirades are, of course, the ones who ship Emma with someone else. For example, I find it hilarious to see people who want to see Emma with Regina talking about how terrible Hook is. I mean, seriously? Let’s think about this for a second. If Regina were a male character, I highly doubt anyone would be defending her. Why are murder, rape, and child abuse totally forgivable crimes if a woman is the one committing them?
I also bristle at the implication that Emma is too stupid or naive to “see Hook for what he is”. She is very clearly neither of those things, nor is she afraid to tell a guy to bleep off if she doesn’t want him around–look how she reacted when he kissed her in 311 when she had no idea who he was–like mother, like daughter. 😉
I just wish Charming didn’t stop him from punching out Rumple. What a smug git he was this week (no offence)
And I know why he didn’t help, it was to get Charming to get Elsa to solve the problem herself. But it shows that Rumple’s still self serving and actually hasn’t changed. If Belle was in that cave I’m sure he would have rescued her without destroying the wall with a thought. (small rant over) Oh, there was a reason other than being, if I may borrow your phrase, a smug git? Ha. Mostly I just got the vibe that he was getting a sadistic thrill out of threatening another woman Killian loves…Sorry, but I may have recently rewatched bits of “The Crocodile” while checking some details for another thing, which always leaves me feeling very anti-Rumple.
Re: that picture…yeah. Ice bath sounds like a good idea.
I kinda feel like the heart-sharing thing was unique to Snowing, because, well, they’re Snowing…? I don’t know; I hope they don’t do that again.
I’m wondering if they’ll have Robin try TLK on Marian and have it not work, but then maybe Roland will give her a kiss and that will work? Or maybe Roland will do it and Robin won’t have to try. Another question that comes with that for me is, has Roland known Marian long enough to really love her? Or is just knowing that she’s his mother enough?
I’m just not sure where they’re going…Personally, I really hope they don’t kill Marian at all; I quite like her. Maybe we’ll find out that Little John has always had a bit of a crush on Marian and those two will end up together, who knows? 😛
All in all, I wouldn’t be surprised if all this is the price of the curse working its magic and soon it will rear its head for Snow who THOUGHT she could cast it and not pay a price. Heck, maybe that’s why Maleficent is coming back. Rump may have created it but only Maleficent knows much about it and Regina may seek her out to see if there is a way to cease the hole. or something.
My theory is that (a) we will see something come of the whole heart-sharing thing at some point and more importantly (b) Snow cast the curse with good intentions rather than evil, and the heart to be sacrificed was given willingly out of love–so perhaps she never had that hole in her (half of a) heart. I’d be perfectly okay with that explanation myself; it makes more sense than some of the other stuff we’ve seen on the show, haha.
I have been debating on whether to try to stay away altogether cause of some of the negativity or at least try and limit myself to just this thread..I love this thread but I’m nosey so I always go check out the other threads and then wish I hadn’t. But I loved both episodes and cannot wait to see what is in store for us.
Haha, that sounds like me…I keep telling myself not to, but I just can’t resist looking at the anti cs tag on Tumblr occasionally. I just like to know what the thought process is for other people, I guess…I don’t interact with the antis though; that doesn’t really ever accomplish anything. Usually I just roll my eyes at the hypocrisy, misogyny, and lack of self-awareness.
(And to be fair, both his moms aren’t being entirely upfront about their lives with Henry–Emma’s not telling him about Hook either.)
Ah, sorry for the multiple posts…I keep thinking of other stuff. And in this case I needed to quick check because I couldn’t remember off the top of my head, but on last night’s episode, Henry was there in the apartment with the family while Emma and Hook were holding hands and cuddling in the corner, (actually at one point Henry and Hook were each holding one of her hands) and he didn’t seem surprised so I think she must have told him by now. 😛
One Problem, Tigerlily was a princess of an entire tribe. While that may explain lack of involvement of Tigerlily it doesn’t explain the lack of involvement of her people. My theory is that he and his pirates killed the Neverland Indians (which does include woman and children) and then drowned Tigerlily, since Peter pan ordered him too. Before anyone says anything I am basing this on the historical events like Trail of Tears, Wounded Knee Massacre, and the Sand Creek Massacre. Which the show could use for inspiration to explain Neverland Indians absence.
Um, there’s no evidence at all for any of that whatsoever, or that the Neverland Indians ever existed in the OUAT universe at all. And bringing real, historical atrocities into this just feels very…inappropriate?
Well, be fair. There’s no evidence for anything for Hook in NL. He could have been sitting on a rock cliff playing the harp and signing songs about dragons for all we know. Any headcanon people want for that time is basically fine at this point.
I mean sure, virtually any headcanon for anyone at all is fine, but considering we’ve seen Hook think back on and show remorse for various misdeeds, I doubt he’d be a-okay with having committed genocide and not think about that from time to time and have that affect his current actions in some way. (Also, I think it might be difficult to play a harp with only one hand and a hook, haha.)
However, there are several indications that there never were any Indians on Neverland–in a flashback in 304 Pan said “It’s lonely in Neverland. The only friends I have are the children who visit in their dreams. But they can’t stay. The boys I take back with me will.” And in a flashback in 308, The Shadow said “I am the sole inhabitant of Neverland[…]Neverland is a place for children to visit in their dreams, not a place for them to live. You were the first to try and stay. And in doing so, you’re breaking the rules.” It sure doesn’t sound like there were ever any Indians in Neverland.
And as for the super clingy comment…yeah…that sorta thing happens when you’ve lost everyone in your life. You hold on so tight because you’re scared you’re going to lose them too.
Ah, there’s another instance of Regina having to deal with consequences…she’d have had her father, with whom she clearly had a loving relationship, if she hadn’t murdered him. She and Maleficent were sort of friends, but she turned her into a dragon and then a zombie or something. She still does have the love and blind devotion of Sidney (despite having been rather cruel to him), as well as Snow still seeing her as family despite having been terrorized and almost murdered by her. Just saying…it seems like she’s killed as many or more friends and loved ones as she’s lost. (And she really has no room to talk about anyone else not thinking of consequences. )
