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@Schmacky wrote:
And you imply that being a child up for adoption is the same as being a child found on the side of a road. How does that work? I understand that both children, no matter the situation, will have a sense of “Why am I not with them?” But the HUGE difference is that while Henry probably asked himself, “Why did she give me away?” Emma always asked herself “Why was I thrown away?”
She WAS angry with the Charmings. If you keep refusing it, you won’t see it.
Anyway: I am NOT implying. I am actually stating that this is the case in this particular situation: Emma gives her baby up for a CLOSE adoption. Hence she refuses Henry answers to his possible questions. Even Mary Margaret at the beginning of the show that Henry is like any adopted child – “he wrestles with that most basic question they all inevitably face: why would anyone give me away?”. And that sucks, no matter the circumstances. How could one possibly weigh the burden of those feelings? If you are abandoned, you ARE abandoned, whether it’s in a nice way or not, I truly don’t see the difference, and why do the same to someone else after going yourself through that hell? Emma said she couldn’t find an answer why would someone dump a child on the side of the road and it bothered her but then she didn’t allow Henry to have his explanation either. THIS is what I call contradictory. We know her situation in prison only because we are the viewers, plus I have never implied it’s a bad thing to chose adoption if you cannot take care of the child, don’t generalize and twist my words. (and she only had left two months in the prison so it’s not like she couldn’t keep him either) If she found it excusable for her to leave Henry, why couldn’t she excuse Snow and James for doing what was best? She eventually did, I know, but for a moment there, I really REALLY wanted to shout at her.
(We could go this way forever, keep rephrasing the words and trying to convince each other – the truth is, we are both biased and will never reach the common ground – how it should be, nothing could be ever just black or white and I think that’s the whole point of OUaT.)
@medchen: to be honest, I haven’t heard of a Golden Bird before and so the six swans has always been the most relevant from all the stories – at least to me. In the version I’ve always known, the swan sister was pushed by the evil witch to a confinement from everyone [Emma was far away from Storybrooke] and not allowed to speak [remember] but eventually she managed to break the curse [the savior!]. I know it’s vague but so all the stories could probably be bent this way. I’m curious about the Golden Bird, will need to read into it![adrotate group="5"]I never thought that he wouldn’t be coming back, quite contrary – the writers spent a lot of time pointing out that ‘what’s dead is dead’ and at the same time explained that the soul eater does NOT exactly KILL people. It’s nearly like shouting at the fans!
Ever since Mulan and Aurora put Prince Philip on the bed where once Aurora slept, I had no doubt this wasn’t the last time of seeing him!huh, I don’t think the writers focus on the details to that level… Otherwise, *certain* characters wouldn’t be constantly sharing the same clothes?
Schmacky, I don’t think she’s still angry with the Charmings but she was up to the point she saw the toy room. It took her quite long to realize they really didn’t have a choice. UNLIKE her, who did have this choice but still decided to give Henry up. Whatever the reasoning, I find her behavior contradicting. But we discussed about it already so many times.
About the tree – yeah, I remember but I just didn’t understand why she had to do it in such an aggressive way.
Anyway, coming back to the Golden Bird – I always thought of Emma more in the context of the Six Swans tale by Grimm brothers:
@from Wikipedia wrote:Six brothers from a King’s first marriage have been turned into swans by their hateful stepmother (a beautiful but evil daughter of a witch). The brothers can only take their human forms for fifteen minutes every evening. In order to free them, their sister must make six shirts out of starwort for her brothers, and neither speak nor laugh for six years. The King of another country finds her doing this, is taken by her beauty and marries her. When the Queen has given birth to their first child, the King’s own wicked mother takes away the child and accuses the Queen, and again with the second and the third. The third time, the Queen is sentenced to be burned at the stake. On the day of her execution, she has all but finished making the shirts for her brothers; only the last shirt misses a left arm. When she is brought to the stake she takes the shirts with her, and when she is about to be burned, the six years expire and six swans come flying through the air. She throws the shirts over her brothers and they regain their human form. (In some versions she does not finish the sixth shirt in time, and the youngest brother is left as a swan. Another version would have 5 of the brothers returned to normal, except for the youngest brother, whose left arm remains as a swan’s wing). The Queen, now free to speak, can defend herself against the accusations. Her mother-in-law is burned at the stake instead of her, and the King, Queen, and her six brothers live happily ever after.
slurpeez108, agreed that the Queen of Harts must be Cora, it would nicely explain why and how Regina’s father was kidnapped by her in the first place (in s01e17 – I do hope that the ‘Queen of Hearts’ episode will show more of this particular story) and that Wonderland was exactly where she ended up after being pushed “through the looking glass”.
agreed with Gypsy – especially with people who actually really like some of the characters and will defend them no matter what 😉
So Schmacky and Elle, thanks for your inputs but no matter what you’ll say, I see the things differently and Emma Swan has not earned my respect as of yet. She has been angry at the Charmings and she gave up this thing called ‘hope’ a long time ago and she didn’t give it to Henry either, until, obviously, he forced her to it. She does keep her walls up like probably everyone but they way she does it makes me annoyed, dont ask me why. All the time I watch OUaT I perceive her as a lost kid and just cannot get this image out of my head, just don’t see her as the savior.
Oh, and totally didn’t see the point of her attacking the poor apple tree.
