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@TheGoldenKey wrote:
@TheTrickster wrote:
It could be nice if it is Dracula. I would really like to watch a sort of “victorian-gothic” world in which all the characters of the horror movies- gothic books live. And those “black and white” scenes make me remember the old films by Hammer Productions XDD
But… I don’t know, Dracula was not a prince. He was not even nobleman. He was a voivoda, which is a military range –sort of general- who ruled a province in old Valaquia (where Transilvania is, in Rumania, but in the Medieval Ages, under the Ottoman Empire.That is why Vlad Tepes became a legend: he fought the Turkish with such a blood thirst that people began to think that he even drank blood of his enemies) I know that he is also a gothic character, and that not only Fairy Tales have place in the show but… historical characters? Maybe too much? Or maybe not…
You know, Frankenstein was written in the 19th century and so was Dracula… there are lots of legends about Queen Victoria and her sons… it is said that she was into “strange” business, related with magic and experimental science since her husband died. It is also said that she was related in some way with Jack the Reaper –and one of the first suspects was an American actor who played the role of Jekyll-Hide in the theatres of London at the time of the murderers (Richard Mansfield)-
And the Dr. Whale/Frankenstein from OUaT could also be a Mr. Hide-Jack the Reaper. Both Hide and Jack were womanizers –as Dr. Whale is but not Victor Frankenstein- and finally no one knows why, they started to kill women. Dr. Jekyll changed because a potion he drank… well, Dr. Whale had his arm stuck again because of the magic. And all magic comes with a price, so… what about a doctor loyal to a certain gothic Prince Albert (¿? put here the name of other candidates… all of them from England in the Victorian Age, when the original gothic stories took place) from his world who after make use of magic has to paid the price of it by becoming a murderer without knowing it? Being the victims women who rejected –or not- him?
Anyway I hope I’m wrong. I would like to see Dracula as the king-prince of that land… he could make “the evil queen” look like Teresa de Calcuta. 😈
Gypsy is right Trickster, Victor/Whale’s price is having to concede to magic. Man of science hates to concede to man of faith.
Your theory is interesting but very similar to two put out by another posted named fairy dust. Here are the links as I think you’d enjoy reading them. You both seem to have much in common in how you think/theorize. You could almost be twins 😀
https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=1862&p=23266#p23266
https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=1768&p=22198#p22198
I can assure you GoldenKey…the Trickster and I are not the same person.. 😀 I know you must be joking and not making an accusation. I can assure you, my theories are posted under my own Fairy Dust name. However…if it turns out that Trickster is correct on her theories…well then of course…I’ll be happy to be her twin. 😀 😆 😀 😆
[adrotate group="5"]@WeWereCursed! wrote:
And yes, I’m reaching here, lol.
But first, Hi! I’ve been stalking these boards for a while and this is my first post. 🙂
After Tallahassee my friends and I were arguing a bit whether Neal is Bae or not. So I googled the name Neal Cassidy, thinking it sounded familiar, and found a synopsis for a book called On The Road by Jack Kerouse. It’s sort of a biography, and in it the character Dean Moriarty is a fictional version of the real life person, Neal Cassady.
On Wikipedia, the character description says that Dean grew up with an alcoholic and bum of a father, who he searches for periodically. He races from journey to journey, pulling other people along.So, am I alone in thinking that it sounds like one of those far-fetched name connections the creators love? Or am in reaching way too far? Lol.
I think you are right on track. 😀
We continue to see Ripper nods in the episode “The Doctor”. Are they meant to throw us off track for an upcoming episode??? I guess we will have to wait and see.
@fairy dust wrote:
THEORY: What if Dr. Whale isn’t Dr. Frankenstein…but instead he is the monster.
We know from the flashback that there are two brothers. One brother, the scientist, brings the other brother, the one with the stitches, to life. Now…let’s make the brothers identical twins. Let’s call the scientist brother, “The Doctor” and lets call the undead stitchy brother “The Monster”. In the flashback, the “doctor” brother needs a heart to bring his “monster” brother/twin alive. He tricks Regina …gets the heart…returns to the castle…puts the heart in the “monster” brother/twin and with a little lightening the “monster” brother is alive. So far so good. But something goes horribly wrong . One of the brothers dies and the other brother, the one we know as Dr. Whale, is transported to Storybrook as part of the curse. We have assumed that it was the “doctor” brother that ended up in Storybrook …but what if it wasn’t . What if the “doctor” brother died, perhaps at the hands of his “monster” brother, and it was actually the “monster” brother who was transported to Storybrook.
Dr. Whale’s arm was ripped off…not much blood and he can get up…put it in a cooler and walk across town??? Not normal.
There have been nods to other stories like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde…also Jack the Ripper…if Whale is the monsters would open up the possibility that these stories are included.
in James Whale’s movie Dr. Frankenstein’s character was named Henry…not Victor like Mr. Gold addresses Dr. Whale. Ironically, one of the suspects in the Ripper murders was Prince Albert VICTOR of Wales.
When I wrote this post I hadn’t seen the episode. I was out of town and could not get enough signal to stream video so I had only read several synopsis. After watching it…no I don’t think Dr. Whale is the evil monster twin as at the very end of the episode he obviously reaches back in his memory to the conversation he had with Rumple in the Enchanted Forest. I do think it will be interesting to see where they take this story….whether or not we see the monster brother again…whether or not we return the The Land without Color…whether or not there is another dimension to the Dr. Whale character.
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
One thing is certain. Killian Jones will be accountable for not having kept his hands to himself. 😮 I’ll know the answer in another 40 minutes 😀
PS Fairy Dust, didn’t you post on my thread yesterday morning that you were just leaving for a week and would have no computer access? I see you’re still here. I sure hope everything is ok with you & your family. 😕
Yep…we were delayed and will be leaving later this evening. They did say reception was better than last year so maybe I can use the cell.
Here is my prediction:
Baelfire (Peter Pan) cuts off Hook’s hand and Rumple is the crocodile.
Support for my theory: Rumple (the Dark One) wears a reptile skin that resembles a crocodile. At times his skin looks green. Rumple is an alchemist and an alchemist would suspend a crocodile from the ceiling of their laboratory.
Continuing from the post above:
The idea of Baelfire moving through portals from world to world IS the story of many CPS children. Like the woman I mentioned in the above post…many of them move from home to home to home. They are in their room…in a setting that they have somewhat become accustomed to and then the portal arrives…they get in put on their seat belt and are transported to the next world…bringing very little along with them…but like Emma they each will usually have something from their former life. For far to many… this carries over to adulthood. As circumstances and resources become difficult and depleted, they find a portal, if they are lucky an automobile, or a friend, or a bus and they move to a new world. Whatever they have accumulated in the way of possessions…well…almost all of it is left behind because there is not money for a rental truck, or a trailer…it is whatever fits into a bag or in trunk of a car, or under the kids feet. Every move is starting over from scratch. We see that when Emma pulls into town…little car..and she knows how to travel light because that was her life. If they take the Baelfire story the direction I think they will, it is going to a fascinating journey.
@Lil’Red wrote:
Really like this idea (ideas more like! 😀 ). It allows for so many future plots and seasons. It explains why this guy was firstly labeled the Mystery Man – and not an alias of Jack or Neal Cassady to start. (that’s a great point Lil’ Red) Could even see him thinking of himself as ‘the Mystery Man’ – since he’s had so many different identities/lives and has been other ‘characters’ longer than he was Baelfire.
I think, if Bae/Mystery Man is a portal jumper who has assisted characters in other lands (in other well-known stories) there would be a very interesting parallel between him and Rumple. Also, between Mystery Man and Henry- who could have been essential learning and piecing together the stories that his grandfather and father brought about.
That being said, my only issue is Bae using magic. Even before his father abandoned him for magic/power, Bae resisted using it. Can’t see an adultBaelfire really utilizing magic or making it part of his persona. I can see him instead looking down on overuse of magic and the people desperate enough to want it. Then again, if he is partly the Wizard of Oz – he wouldn’t be ‘using’ magic just tricking people into thinking he is while using his gadgets and intelligence. Again, another interesting parallel between him and Rumple – if it’s true.
Great work Fairy Dust! Really love reading your posts!
That is a great point regarding the magic Lil’ Red. I hadn’t really thought about him using magic but that really brings in some interesting possibilities for story development. I had imagined his journey, him not using magic…simply following the bean as the Blue Fairy instructed…whatever that means. Perhaps the beanstalk leads him from one world to another…kind of like the lines that connect the squares on the orphanage wall hanging…the lines being the beanstalk…the squares being the worlds. (picture at the end of post)
Your mention of magic intrigues me….not only would there be the struggle of being lost, betrayed, sacrificed so to speak…but there could also be a struggle with the temptation to use magic. I had not even thought of this…thanks so much, Lil’ Red for introducing this dynamic into the discussion.
If the Mystery Man is Baelfire…for him to choose the name Neal Cassady…it would appear there has been a big change in character.from the time he went into the green portal. What you have me wondering is perhaps somewhere on his journey from world to world his character begins to change because of the betrayal of his father. Perhaps he does just follows the bean, or others assist him to new worlds (like the Beamstalk, or the Hot Air Balloon or a tornado like Dorothy) as he makes his journey to New York City…or maybe along the way he begins to become cynical and because of his pain ends up making some of the same mistakes his father made. I could see the writers exploring something like that. That is something that happens all too frequently in the real world…children vow to never follow in their parents footsteps…and the next thing they know they are on the other side of the fence wondering how they got there.
In my real world we work with many fatherless children and many adults who were either raised fatherless or were in the CPS system until they graduated. I think that is why this show so resonates with me. This IS their show. I know many people like Emma….maybe not as fashionable…or skinny…or surface beauty…but that look in the eye…that mistrust…that WALL.
I had an experience onetime where one of the women (she was about 30 at the time) wanted me to try to find her father. While we were at the computer she began telling me about a particular foster family…they had decorated her room with Star Wars. She was moved from that family to another family and had to leave all the things they gave her. I suggested we get on ebay and see if we could find some of the items in her room. You should have seen her face. Literally looking at things for the first time since she had seen them as a kid. Then she started remembering other things…a Strawberry Shortcake record player…I found it…she just stared…quiet…still. She has three children by three different men, she’s been abused, she’s tough…but when she is in pain she doesn’t fight…she runs.
Once Upon A Time tells the story of the adult CPS child better than anything I’ve ever seen. They get it right.
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