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Another hint to Cora being the Queen of Hearts (who loves her tea time) found in The Stable Boy episode.

Regina to Daniel:
“I can’t. I have to be back in an hour. Tea Time. A lady never misses her tea time.”

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@Phee wrote:

Random pondering: could the Giant be an ogre? Could that be why they’re introducing ogres at this point? And then releasing a pic of Jorge as the Giant the day after the ep with the ogres airs?

That sure makes sense to me.

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Thanks so much to you AntBee! Your post has great information…we will just put our heads together and if we can put the puzzle pieces together. As many times as I looked at that clip…I NEVER made the connection about his bedspread and Henry’s. That was a brilliant observation!

It does seem that MM (if he is Baelfire) is going to be a lot like Emma…both thrust into a world without parents…and probably both have been on both sides of the law. I did wonder if his strange route home was to keep someone from following him or knowing where he lived…or he could have taken a detour to see something. Then there is the HUGE mafia connection with Mulberry street. That right there could indicate that he might have changed a little since he fell into that green portal…it will be interesting to see where the writers take it and how much they tie into this.

And I keep looking at those microphones…the only person I can think of that used a microphone was the Wizard of Oz. I read the books years ago and can’t remember much about them but I do remember that he is different than in the movie in that he appears (all illusions) in different forms. I don’t know if this ties in at all with Oz but I guess we will know all in time.

Well, yesterday I was home sick and got to play on the computer all day…today, I’ve got to get back to work. uggh I’ll be watching for your posts AntBee. If you find any more clues or something points in a different direction I’m all ears cuz that bedspread clue (and all your clues) was pure genius! 😀

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I haven’t had time to gel all of my thoughts and observations together so I’m just going to throw them down and see where they land. If I had to pick a storybook character that some of the items in the Mystery Man’s apartment point to it would be the Wizard of Oz. If I had to pick a person the items point to it would be Baelfire.

ITEMS IN THE APARTMENT
1. As it has already been pointed out, the red hand on the wall is an Aesthetic Apparatus poster. This particular poster was created for the Communication Arts Magazine May 2008 issue. Here is a description of the Magazine and also what comes with a subscription:

Communication Arts is the largest international trade journal of visual communications. Founded in 1959 by Richard Coyne and Robert Blanchard, the magazine’s coverage includes graphic design, advertising, photography, illustration and interactive media. The magazine continues to be edited and published under the guidance of Coyne’s wife Jean and their son Patrick Coyne. Currently, Communication Arts (CA) publishes six issues a year and hosts six creative competitions in graphic design, advertising, photography, illustration, typography and interactive media and two Web sites, commarts.com and creativehotlist.com.

A one year subscription to Communication Arts magazine consists of six issues including the Design, Advertising, Illustration, Photography, Interactive, and Typography annuals.

link to contents of magazine http://www.commerce.commarts.com/shop/detail.asp?prod=ISS200805
link to magazine site (scroll down to find cover) – http://blaawg.aestheticapparatus.com/
link to cover of magazine – http://blaawg.aestheticapparatus.com/?attachment_id=636
link to resource for cover of magazine (actual catalog photo of the glove used ) http://blaawg.aestheticapparatus.com/?attachment_id=637

Red Hand with eye is called a Hamsa and is used to ward off the evil eye. Don’t know if they had this in mind but thought it was interesting. Red Hand is also associated with Irish.

thoughts: Glove appears on a catalog page advertising asbestos gloves. Asbestos gloves can withstand fire – possible nod to Baelfire. Communication Arts Theme fits many of the items that are found in the apartment, photo, recording, microphone etc.

2. John Guliak – 7 Stories & 13 Songs album hanging by window – picture of a heart surrounded by fire – lots of possibilities including nod to Baelfire.

3. I’ve been trying to figure out what the sign was peeking out of the corner and I found it on TVLine – “Just after the Mysterious Man arrives home, the camera angle changes to peer down at the bookcase with the radios. Sticking out from behind it is a sign (inset, letter F) bearing the logo for the progressive punk rock band NoMeansNo — specifically, the logo used on the album The Day Everything Became Isolated and Destroyed. I’m just spit-balling here, but if you wish to risk being spoiled, check out the fourth track.” http://tvline.com/2012/09/30/once-upon-a-time-season-2-who-is-nyc-mystery-man/ And yes, the fourth track, Beauty and the Beast sure does point to Baelfire, especially when we remember that his father refers to him as his beautiful boy.

Here is the title track: The Day Everything Became Nothing

The day everything became nothing, I was standing
underneath a streetlight, wishing I had a
cigarette. I can’t recall anything unusual about
it. If there was something in the air, if the
skies had clouded over, I wasn’t aware, I was too
bored to care. No thunder roared. No lightning
cracked. No missiles rained from the sky. This was
no sneak attack. There was just suddenly this
awful lack. Things had changed, that’s for sure.
The day everything became nothing, you couldn’t
put your finger on what had gone wrong. The alleys
were still dirty; the garbage still smelled; there
was no panic in the streets; just a lot of
grief–in people’s faces, in their eyes–a mixture
of horror and total surprise. This was no
apocalypse. No one heard a voice from the sky,
there were no miracles at the 7-Eleven, no one
screamed, no one even asked why. It was just like
everything had somehow, quietly died. So let it
die! I can’t recall much of what happened next. I
was on my way to visit this woman I knew. All we
had in common was good sex, and now I couldn’t
even remember her address. A group of us, just
strangers, got together and we formed a committee
to discuss the problem. We talked about things
like assured mutual destruction and emotional
responsibility. I couldn’t remember my name, so I
called myself Bob. It’s weird being a Bob, but
I’ll get used to it. I have to.

4. Many OUAT sites have the Mysterious Man living on Grand Street across from Piemonte Ravioli company. His apartment is across from Piemonte but not the storefront on Grand Street, rather the Piemonte storefront on Mulberry St. He lives in an apartment building that is on Mulberry St, in the area known as Little Italy. I won’t take time to list all the history of Mulberry St. but it is ALOT. Mulberry St. has a long history that includes the mafia. Farther down Mulberry was the notorious Five Points area.

5. Billy Joel sings a song, “Big Man on Mulberry Street” here are the lyrics: Sure sounds like it could be talking about Baelfire.

Why can’t I lay low
Why can’t I say what I mean
Why don’t I stay home
And get myself into some boring routine

Why can’t I calm down
Why is it always a fight
I can’t get unwound
Why do I throw myself into the night

I’m on the outside
I don’t fit into the groove
Now I ain’t a bad guy
So tell me what am I trying to prove

Why can’t I cool out
Why don’t I button my lip
Why do I lash out
Why is it I always shoot from the hip
I cruise from Houston to canal street
A misfit and a rebel
I see the winds talking to themselves
And I can understand
Why is it everytime I go out
I always seem to get in trouble
I guess I made an impression on somebody
North of Hester and south of Grand

And so in my small way
I’m a big man on Mulberry street
I don’t mean all day
Only at night when I’m light on my feet

What else have I got
That I’d be trying to hide
Maybe a blind spot
I haven’t seen from the sensitive side

But you know in my own heart
I’m a big man on Mulberry street
I play the whole part
I leave a big tip with every receipt

I’m so romantic
I’m such a passionate man
Sometimes I panic
What if nobody finds out who I am

6. All the radios, and desk microphones, and records…etc. When I took a look at the route that MM walks it is almost certain that he works on the West Side. I saw something interesting up on the West Side (89th st) of Central Park. It is called The Radio Foundation. http://www.radioart.org/ Wonder if that is where our MM works?

I’ll let you read up on it but these guys are famous and have that sort of artsy history that makes for great stories. One of the things this group put out was Firesign Theater. And one of their albums was titled, “In the Next World, You’re on Your Own.” It is a hodgpodge of the bizzare but the title sure is interesting. Again…we run into that word, “fire” a possible nod to Baelfire.

Also check out Peter Bergman’s Radio Free Oz – http://www.radiofreeoz.com/ possible nod to the Baelfire going to Oz theory

7. MM drops his phone/? down the “fire escape“. Again…that word fire keeps creeping up. Also, the Wizard of Oz was the first to suggest a portable phone. Again…another possible nod to the land of Oz???

8. The logo on the horse at the beginning of the MM scene is called a Horse Brass. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_brass There are many myths about it possibly warding off evil.

9. We see MM crossing the street at E. 47th and Madison Ave. (interesting link to history of 47th st – http://www.nysonglines.com/47st.htm ) An interesting path to take to get to the 5th Ave Station. When he is walking he looks over his shoulder a lot….looks worried and looks tired. There is an interesting statue at the very end of E 47th Street.

The Statue is called, “Good Defeats Evil” It is St. George, on a horse slaying the dragon.
http://www.tsereteli.ru/files/objects/658/658.jpg
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Good point MattBlack. Glad you are part of the discussion.

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@Phee wrote:

@AngieBelle wrote:

You know…maybe I’m warming up to the Frankenstein theory a bit…

If Regina used the magic portals in the hat to pull Dr. Frankenstein out of his world in hopes that he could bring Daniel back to life for her- I could buy that. It would give a reason for such an out of place character to be present. I’m not entirely on board, but at least I found a way that the theory would make sense!

That was my major sticking point too, I just couldn’t figure out how they could weave him into the story. But it’d make perfect sense if Regina enlists him in a desperate attempt to bring back Daniel.

It’s all starting to fall in place 😀 Guess Regina wants to be the Bride of Frankenstein (the bride of the creature)
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@slurpeez108 wrote:

Here’s an awesome photo from Tumblr of the Dr. Whale = Dr. Frankenstein theory:

This is too funny…look what I just found. Frankenstein, Missouri is 12 miles east of Jefferson City, Missouri. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankenstein,_Missouri

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They have a way of combining things into one character. Perhaps he is the Prince of Frontland, and the prince of Frontland is Dr. Frankenstein. There are many hints to Dr. Whale being the Dr. Frankenstein character, pictures on Henry’s bedroom wall, the windmill, the dog Ajax, even David’s buzz (flat top) hair cut. The standing fish backstage at the courthouse are called Lucy (Luce) in heraldry. Frankenstein has been called the Lucy (proto human) of science fiction. It would be interesting if he was Dr. Frankenstein and also tied in with Frontland. The Frontland episode (Desperate Souls) was filled with heraldry (coat of arms) symbols.

Here is a link to the symbol on the banner in the Duke of Frontlands castle. http://www7b.biglobe.ne.jp/~bprince/hr/foxdavies/fdguide15.htm

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I’m new here too…welcome from another newbie. 😀

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I have a new theory about Dr. Whale. I am a huge fan of him being Dr. Frankenstein, but, what if Dr. Whale is Marvel Comic’s Dr. Strange. There are lots of things that fit and lots of hints that could point to that being his altar ego. I think it could be a very real possibility.

Here is a little Marvel bio:

Circa 1963, Strange was in a car accident that severely damaged the nerves in his hands, ending his surgical career. Too vain to accept positions as a consultant or assistant, Strange sought a cure and pursued every available treatment, legitimate or not, soon depleting his fortune; in months he was reduced to a derelict, performing shady medical procedures that barely paid his bar tabs. After hearing rumors of the mystical Ancient One, a desperate Strange pawned his last possessions for a ticket to the East and found the Ancient One’s Tibetan palace. At first annoyed when the Ancient One refused to cure him, Strange was later astonished to see the sorcerer attacked by mystic forces. Upon learning that the Ancient One was Earth’s magical defender and that the attack on him came from his pupil Mordo, Strange tried to warn him, but Mordo mystically prevented Strange from doing so. For the sake of the Ancient One and the world, Strange acted unselfishly for the first time in years, vowing to learn magic himself so he could counter Mordo and his ilk. He offered himself as a disciple to the Ancient One, who accepted, having known of Mordo’s treachery all along. The Ancient One spent years instructing Strange in the art of sorcery, teaching him how to tap the innate mystic powers of both himself and the world around him, as well as how to invoke the power of awesome entities, or Principalities, who resided in their own realms, most notably the three benign beings known as the Vishanti. A few years after Strange’s arrival, Mordo left to seek greater power, and would often clash with Strange in the future. Strange’s guilt over his earlier mistakes weighed heavily upon him over the years, and not all of his early recollections can be trusted.

During his years of study and early activity, Strange befriended many sorcerers around the world, including Lord Julian Phyffe and Sir Clive Bentley of Great Britain; Cardinal Alfeo Spinosa and Count Carezzi of Italy; Omar Karindu, Rama Kaliph, and Turhan Barim of the Middle East; Wai Chee Yee and Sen-Yu of Asia; and Aleister Kane, Kenneth Ward, and Frank Brukner of America. Other immortal adventurers, such as Immortalis and Terror, Inc., regarded his ascent with skepticism. Strange also found allies among more earthly heroes, aiding the adventurer Black Fox in at least two adventures. No later than the 1970s, Strange returned to America, becoming a mystic consultant in New York’s Greenwich Village. He was joined by Wong, the descendant of a line that had served the Ancient One for centuries, who became his servant and friend. Strange’s earliest foes included the demonic Bottle Imp; a nightmarish manifestation of the entity KhLΘg; and the demon Nightmare, who preyed upon humanity’s dreams and became one of Strange’s bitterest enemies. Developing a mysterious reputation like the Ancient One before him, Strange became an occasional consultant to local and even federal authorities.

More on Marvel.com: http://marvel.com/universe/Doctor_Strange_(Stephen_Strange)#ixzz27QWA1g34

I don’t have time for a long post but some of the things that jump out are there was a dark soul around the fire that had a helmet very similar to the red cape that Dr. Strange wears. Maybe he is the one who gave a red cape to Ruby, He is described as a womanizer. He has dark magic and has befriended all the sorcerers. He has a brother named Victor. The “frame” clue could refer to comic book frame. Carnation could refer to a comic book character being played by an actor. In the preview where Regina tries to use magic on the mob, there is a character (looks like Hansel and Gretel’s father) who makes the horned hand sign, which is the sign that Dr. Strange makes. I don’t have time to list more but it does look like it could be a possibility. In the episode where Regina is talking to Belle on the road, Regina has a red stripe in her hair. Dr. Strange has a stripe in his hair. Also Regina has on this high lapel cape with gloves that has a similar feel to his style of dress. He lives at the Sanctum Sanctorum and there is a furnace room in the basement.

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I’m not saying I am convinced, but it is an interesting possibility.

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