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@PriceofMagic wrote:
Isn’t Neverland meant to make you forget about home so that you never want to leave? Neverland wouldn’t have made Hook forget about his revenge.
I think Bae would have wanted to forget about his past. He saw his father turn from a kind man into a monster who thought nothiing of cold blooded murder. Bae would have found himself in a new land where he could be whoever he wanted to be and not the dark one’s son. Given enough time, Bae could have created his own backstory and believed it to be true. His true past coming back to him in the form of nightmares.
In season 1, Emma’s denial was so strong it caused her not to see August’s wooden leg even though it was right in front of her. What if Neal’s denial of his past is just as strong?
I don’t know about Neverland, but I do think that Nealfire’s past was so traumatic that he could have repressed his memories and created new ones. Plus, it might not just about those memories being so traumatic, it could have been a matter of survival in Nealfire’s mind too because I’m sure he either realized that people would brand him as crazy if he told them the truth. Maybe he did tell some people the truth, and of course they probably thought he was crazy and eventually convinced him that he created these fake memories to deal with the stress of losing his family. Or maybe he kept silent, but observed how “different” people were treated by those around them, and convinced himself over time that it was all just fake memories that he made up. (Of course, this is actually if he did have his memories when he first arrived in this world because it’s possible that he has amnesia depending on how he landed. He wasn’t worldy or mature nor did he have a ship like Hook did, so maybe he landed on his head and really did lose his memories except they come back to him when he’s dreaming.)
Now with August who was also sent here as a young boy, I think the reason he didn’t repress his memories, at least not that we know of, is because he was young enough that people around him could write off his stories due to his age, and eventually, he’d learn not to talk about his past to people. He would know that he was actually telling the truth, but to fit in, he would just learn to hold his tongue about it, but not repress his memories like Nealfire may have. Plus, while his life was traumatic in many ways, I think his life was generally all around better, especially because his father sent him away to keep him alive, unlike Nealfire’s father who let Nealfire come here on his own because he’d rather have power over him.
Further, if Nealfire is repressing his memories, for me that doesn’t mean, that he won’t be angry at his father, because I’m sure if he is repressing his memories, once he starts accepting those memories are real, he will be very angry with his father not only for choosing power over him in the first place, but also for everything that his father did to be reunited with Nealfire.
I like your idea…it reminds me of a girl my daughter grew up with. She was raised in Russia and adopted here in the US when she was 10 years old. After she arrived she never spoke Russian again…never talked about the family she remembered…just completely left that life behind. She is in her twenties now and has forgotten a lot of things. Baelfire has been out in the world for hundreds of years so it is very possible that the first 14 years of his life are a faded memory.
[adrotate group="5"]Belle vs Cinderella
Neal/possibly Bae vs Charming
Snow vs Blue Fairy
Regina vs Cora
Rumple vs Hook
August vs Jefferson
Red vs Mulan
Granny vs Gepetto
Aurora vs Nova – I call that one a draw
Grumpy vs Whale
Phillip vs Thomas
@PriceofMagic wrote:
Assuming Neal is Bae, what if Neal’s bad dreams are his memories of Fairytale land? Rumple would appear often in his nightmares which would make their reunion more difficult.
We know everyone was cursed to lose their memories when they came to our world and if they cross the town border they lose their memories again so it is possible that Bae, being from fairytale land, lost his memories when he came to our world.
I agree with you about the bad dreams being memories of Fairytale land…. we are given so many hints throughout the show that connect dreams to real places and real memories.
Graham: It didn’t feel like a dream. It felt like a memory.
Mr. Gold: I’m afraid not. I do wish I could be more helpful. You know, Sheriff, they say that dreams… Dreams are memories. Memories of another life.
Rumpelstiltskin: Don’t doubt yourself now, dearie. Love makes us sick, haunts our dreams, destroys our days. Love has killed more than any disease. This cure is a gift.
Grumpy: The one I saw right before I hatched. She was beautiful. I want to see her again.
Bossy: Ha! You must be dreaming – there are no female dwarves. Dwarves don’t fall in love, dwarves don’t get married, and dwarves don’t have children. Why do you think you were hatched from an egg?Grumpy: You’re the woman I saw in my dreams right before I hatched last year.
Emma: Hey, stop. It’s me. Here’s the thing – the last time David went for a dream walk, he went to the Toll Bridge. You know the one? It’s a crazy hunch, but I want you to take my bug and go and see if he was there.
Evil Queen: It won’t kill you. No, what it will do is far worse. Your body will be your tomb, and you’ll be in there with nothing but dreams formed of your own regrets.
Emma: It’s a Native American dream catcher. It’s supposed to keep all the nightmares out, and only let the good dreams in to protect your home.
Neal: It’s flypaper for nightmares?
Emma: Mmhmm.
Neal: Let’s keep it.MMB: Hey. Aurora? It was just a dream. It was just a dream.
Henry: And… And… And… And I was looking out, and there was someone else there. She was staring at me through the flames. Th-Then I woke up and…
David: Hey, don’t worry, alright? It was just a bad dream.Henry: So y-you can help? It was just a dream.
Mr. Gold: Well, what you’re describing is certainly not a dream.Mr. Gold: When people fall under a sleeping curse, the soul travels to a Netherworld, where it resides until awoken. Now, this world is between life and death, and it’s very real.
Aurora: Snow! Snow!
MMB: Hey. I’m here. It’s okay, it’s okay. It was just another nightmare.Emma: That’s impossible. It was a dream. How could you dream of my son?
Aurora: I have no idea.
MMB: Maybe it wasn’t a dream.Mulan: A room in a dream is real?
I do think that if Baelfire has memory loss it will be because of a different reason than those in Storybrooke. He would not have been under the same effects of the curse that they were. That is why Henry knew that everyone was stuck in time. He was living in Storybrooke but he was not under the curse because he was not brought over from the Enchanted Forest.
If Baelfire’s memory loss is from the curse then it would indicate that the curse affected the other lands in a similar way that it effected the Enchanted Forest.
In the past I’ve thought either Neal…assuming he is Baelfire or August or both of them wrote the book. But I was thinking about some of the stories…especially those about Snow and Charming…how would they know those stories. Could it possibly be Rumple, because he seems to know things no one else knows.
One reason I believe it could be Rumple, is because he did not know who August was…it makes sense that he wouldn’t know the story that was left out of the book. However, he didn’t get his memories back until he heard Emma’s name so he would have had to write it before the curse took effect.
Another idea is the Blue Fairy…she would have been around long enough and would know the stories…although you would think that Pinnochio’s story would have been in the book. The Blue Fairy mentioned making final preparations for the curse…maybe the book was part of that preparation.
Then again, if the Blue Fairy wrote it, I can certainly see why she would have left out the part about how there was only enough magic for “one” to go through the wardrobe.
(edited to add: I just started a new thread to discuss a new theory…maybe Henry wrote the book)
https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=2344@Faux Pax wrote:
I kind of brought this up in another thread and the conversation got pretty interesting. Instead of reposting about a dozen posts, here’s the link:
https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=1880&start=240
I’ve also wondered if some kind of magic caused him to lose those memories of the Enchanted Forest…maybe a potion like what Snow drank to forget Charming.
@Oncewatcher wrote:
I wonder if he will remember anything about his life in Fairy Tale Land.
I think he will have a memory issue…there is so much double-speak in the dialogue and what seems like a lot of hints are dropped along the way. I know that the writers can try to throw the viewers off track…but there is alot of precedence for memory loss. If Baelfire is Peter Pan we saw memory loss in the movie Hook and in the mini series Neverland.
Peter Pan reference in Christoff Nieman’s Boys and the Subway
Neal and the MTA symbol
From Boys and the Subway by New Yorker/New York Times author, artist and illustrator, Christoff Nieman
Neal and Emma MTA symbol[attachment=2:ue5sxx41]mta subway symbol Neal.png[/attachment:ue5sxx41]
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[attachment=0:ue5sxx41]Emma Neal ATM (MTA) sign.jpg[/attachment:ue5sxx41]The keyhole in Neal’s desk
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[attachment=1:oq4obpnq]tinkerbell.jpg[/attachment:oq4obpnq]I’ve put together a series of pictures that feature a black tie with small white polka dots…and there is a Peter Pan connection with these ties.
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The tie on the left – Robin Williams as grown-up Peter Pan in the movie Hook
The tie in the center – The New York Mystery Man/Neal Cassidy
The tie on the right – Johnny Depp as J.M. Barrie in Finding Neverland.Here is a picture of the items hanging beside Neal’s door. The top left item is some sort of claw or fang on a string necklace. August had a metal claw necklace. The long item below it looks to be a fishing lure. And there is a metal item that is too difficult to make out.
The top middle item is a pocket watch. There are two items hanging below the pocket watch. One item is light colored with a string or wire tied around it. The other item is dark colored with a wire around it. They look like stones but they could possibly be beans. The top item on the right looks to be some sort of tiny shell or coral necklace. The item below it is a monacle or a small magnifying glass.
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