[Felie]

I just discovered something! Gay marriage is legal in Maine… Storybrooke is in Maine! Do you think we’ll hear any wedding bells next season? I hope OUAT is bold enough to include a gay wedding as the season finale, that would be so cool 😀

[Felie]

What if instead of having Elsa be the love interest of a previously established character (Mulan, Tink, Red, ect) they introduce a totally new character? I know that they can’t do Narnia because of rights, but is it possible to introduce say “The Queen of Winter” which would have the Narnia-feel to it, without being Jadis?

Since Elsa will be a main player next season I feel that they can make her love-interest a new character without causing the relationship to feel too novelty-ish (as it would if two background characters were to become romantically involved, imo). In fact, I think I would prefer it if she already had an established relationship, as they can start off as a legitimate, respectable, serious couple from the get-go. I want the relationship to be one of honesty, integrity, mutual respect, and without any major power imbalance (a la Rumbelle).

Maybe she meets Merida at a ball to celebrate the two kingdom’s friendship and falls for her? That would be nice. Then maybe the writers can explore (and the viewers witness) the mother-daughter relationship and sisterly relationship angles when it comes to dealing with their love for, and acceptance of, one another.

"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"

[Felie]

Is there a WRONG way for ONCE to do an LGBT relationship? In other words, as a member of that community (Crystal and others who are reading this and are)–is there a way that would NOT be acceptable for your community–if we leave anything abusive or manipulative, ect.

There are several things I’ve noticed when it comes to shows introducing (or more aptly; using) lesbian and bi women characters (I can’t say I know much about the treatment of queer male or trans characters, sorry).

First, I’ve noticed that sometimes, when the ratings seem to be lagging, a lesbian storyline is introduced and promoted quite ‘in-your-facey’. Usually consisting of an attractive, already-established character, and a mysterious, sexy newcomer, these types of ‘look at the hot lesbos’ relationships often consist of a lot of steamy scenes, and then when the novelty wares off they often end in tragedy or infidelity. One example of this is from a Spanish cop show I used to watch where one of the main characters (a very attractive young csi) fell in love with, and eventually married, a mysterious, rebellious newcomer (a very attractive cop), only for it to end in tragedy when, on their wedding day, a bunch of gangsters showed up and killed the csi! There are countless other examples from tv shows of all genres, but this is especially prevalent in soap operas.

Second is the lesbian tease. This is mostly used to drum up ratings, and consists of shallow, one week teasing; ‘feeling’ discovery scenes, awkward encounters, some self doubt, a steamy kiss scene or two, followed by the acknowledgement that it was ‘just a phase’, and then apparent amnesia on everybody’s part! These are really annoying and leave a VERY nasty taste in my mouth. I’ve noticed this kind of ‘story line’ a few times on a certain Australian soap!!!!!!

The third is the ‘failed attempt’, which as the name suggests, attempts to portray a good lesbian character/relationship, but unfortunately often fails before it begins, as the character’s sole purpose is to be lesbian and have drama surrounding their lesbian-ness.

There are other examples of lesbian ‘usage’ in TV land, but I’m tired and can’t think straight atm (see what I did there?), so I’ll add them later. All I want to end on for the moment is how disheartening it can be to feel like I’m finally seeing a character I can connect with, only to have her be treated like a novelty, controversy causing, ratings magnet 🙁 It can really suck sometimes, so I hope that if OUAT does include an LGBT character they do right by us, instead of using/teasing/neglecting us.

"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"

[Felie]

Thanks!!

In that case, I like #ReditGo best. Any excuse to get Red back, right? Plus, in the movie, Elsa is often accused of being a monster, something Red knows a great deal about.

I’m hoping she already has/had an established relationship, since I would like to see a positive portrayal of a happy, stable, same-sex relationship sometime in the show, instead of one brought about and built on a foundation of one partner being the other’s saviour/salvation. Whether they choose to have that in the past, in which it is ruined by Rumple (speculation!), and then have Elsa meet and fall for Red is not really that important to me (though #ReditGo is just pure win!). As long as the portrayal of the relationship is positive and based on mutual respect, with no major power imbalance, I really don’t mind who she’s with.

"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"

[Felie]

HappyEndings wrote:

No one!!!! These are Fairy Tales not Glee if you want that kind of stuff what Glee they have several on that show and others this doesn’t need to be in in Fairy Tales.

 

First off I understand that the inclusion of LGBT characters may seem a little daunting to some people, but as a member of this community I can’t stress enough how offensive it is to call LGBT romance/relationships ‘that kind of stuff’, as if you are referring to something dirty and sordid, akin to pornography.

Second, we know these are fairy tales. In fact, the whole premise of the show is a ‘spin on the classics’ (or more aptly, the Disney renditions), so why can’t it include the addition of an LGBT character or two (and I’m not satisfied with the Mulan/Aurora- barely detectable- lesbian angle)? What would be the harm in giving Elsa a female lover? Or turning Jasmine into a dude and making Aladin gay?

Just to be clear, I’m not asking these questions to be condescending or to try to make you look bad, I genuinely want to know people’s objections to LGBT characters.

"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"

[Felie]

I agree with you both in that they haven’t been redeemed. I think the only way for them to truly be redeemed (or whatever word you wish to use) would be for them to first-hand experience every bit of pain an suffering they’ve ever caused to others. This would be re-living all the fear, mental, emotional, and physical pain they’ve ever caused directly (via murder) and indirectly (the pain the families of dead victims felt), probably via some curse. Only then would I feel like they finally ‘get it’, and have truly suffered as they should in penance of their past crimes.

"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"

[Felie]

I think Elsa is the best chance for a lesbian pairing, especially if she’s not going to be a true villain (just an ‘out for justifiable revenge’ type). Perhaps Rumple killed/imprisoned her lover (or Anna) and now she’s out for blood? With her being a main player next season it means the writers don’t have to worry about turning the first lesbian couple of the show into the ‘token homos’. I also hope they bring Merida on the show, and even though I know a lot of people think of her as a lesbian I kinda want her to be Henry’s first love interest (making her his age, of course).

I do hope the writers don’t ignore Elsa’s HUGE queer fanbase 🙁

This is one issue I fear the ouat loving part of my community would not be able to ‘let it go’ ;p (but seriously, there will be carnage if she’s saved, and her heart ‘melted’ by, a guy!)

"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"

[Felie]

If Elsa was in Rumples vault doesn’t that mean she would warrant a ton of fear? But I think it’s more likely she’s going to be after Rumple specifically, for revenge or something, since I can’t see ouat turning such a beloved character into an outright villain. I just hope they don’t treat Elsa the same way they treated Zelena, plus I hope Anna’s alive (and not the reason Elsa wants to get Rumple!).

 

But I cannot bloody wait to see next season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And thus begins my solo performance of ‘I’m so excited’ by the Pointer Sisters…

"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"

[Felie]

@KateGreen + Phee – Well, it was a nice thought 🙁

 

But hopefully we will get more of Oz and Wonderland next season… and Zelena too :p

"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"

[Felie]

Yeah, I don’t really understand why she never overtly tried to kill anyone except Hook and Henry (and she tried to kill them for bait, not to get them out of the way, make people’s lives a misery, etc.). She’s had so many chances to kill people she didn’t need for the curse, but never did it, or even tried to. Surely the best action for her would have been to kill everyone she didn’t need for the curse and imprison those she did need until the time came for her to use them. I know that in reality the writers couldn’t very well kill everyone on the show, but she was never shown to have permanently killed even one person (no, I don’t count Neal). Why, if they wanted the audience to see her as the worst villain yet, and a justifiable kill for Rumple, would they not have her be a bloodthirsty killer like Regina and Rumple were.

"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"

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