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‘Praimfaya’
– “I will be waiting. Under the floor.” Best line of the episode. This was a beautifully crafted scene, right down to the shout out to their Greek mythology loving mother. Just wonderful.
– Clarke getting left behind was being telegraphed from a mile away.
– “The time of the commanders is past. The time of the flame is over.” True, and yet, inspires nostalgia.
– Agree that Octavia’s self doubt is a reflection of her growing maturity.
– I loved Monty and Murphy’s relationship – so much bickering, sharing, caring.
– OMG, Emori and Echo’s faces when Raven started floating in zero G!! I wanted more of this!
– My respect for Clarke has multiplied exponentially after watching her scale that terrifyingly high tower!
– Loving Clarke’s new hairstyle!
– Jaha’s demise was very unsatisfying, given that we never even got to see him!!
– I am very curious to see the flashbacks next season!
[adrotate group="5"]I think it’s reasonable to suppose that some of Milah’s bad behaviours could stem from unpleasant experiences, but without evidence there’s no way for us to figure probability.
Well, all of the villains on this show have been given elaborate backstories to illustrate why they have done the bad things that they have. Indeed, a recurring theme throughout OUAT is that evil is made and not born. So why should this not apply to Milah too? I would argue that in the context of the show, it’s likelier that that her poor choices stem from unpleasant experiences than not. Besides, we do have evidence that she probably did hard labour (hauling wood in ‘Devil’s Due), she was depressed (she drank, she left her family!), and we know she thought things would be better if they moved, but Rumple didn’t want to. It’s not about probability, it’s about giving Milah the benefit of the doubt. We don’t have a whole lot of information, but we have enough to deduce that her life was extremely difficult. Life for ALL peasants in the EF was difficult, and Milahs’ more so from being an outcast.
I mean, we could just as easily substitute “false” for “true” in the quote, based on what we’ve seen in the show.
That would be missing the point, which is that Milah’s life was extremely difficult and painful. It’s about having empathy, and trying to imagine what could drive a person in her situation to make the choices that she did.
We had a much longer discussion on Milah a few years back if anyone is interested in reading through some of the various arguments.
This is the most pertinent comment for me, as it sums up how I feel about the Milah situation.
I don’t just understand but get, why one can hate what Milah did. But we should never make it easy for ourselves to hate a person (and not just their action, doings). So even if it is just about a fictional character it reflects on what happens in real, and it makes me sad, very very sad, that people are so quick with judgment.
I actually find it depressing how quickly people mete out judgement for Milah. Particularly because there are many, many women in the real world living under similar circumstances. I truly hope that people are more compassionate and understanding of the plights of these real women than they are to poor Milah.
Milah’s biggest problem is that the show never presents her point of view. We’ve always seen things from Rumple’s perspective, which by definition, is biased. Add to that the fact that Rumple is popular, and you get a huge bias against Milah in the fandom.
Imagine seeing Milah’s point of view for a while. Her mother was verbally abusive. Her father left the family when she was young. She went to bed exhausted every night from backbreaking labour, which Rumple couldn’t help with, and neighbours wouldn’t help with. She was harassed and humiliated whenever she went into the village. Her friends abandoned her. She spiraled into depression. Her attempts to improve things, like moving away, were met by resistance from Rumple.
Any of these things could be true, and in all probability, most of them are. But if we actually saw all of this, would people’s reaction still be:
No, sorry. Die please, k thanks.
Ok, I’m going to be the Milah apologist in this thread.
I know this season is rather old, I was curious any ideas as to what Milah originally saw in Rumple? We were given no story as to how they met.
I would have liked this story. But, perhaps there was no big story involved. Given the socio-political environment of the EF, it’s possible that people just married the first suitable person they met when they became of marriageable age. Love didn’t have to be involved, just basic compatibility, which probably meant being able to provide and being capable of having children. We kind of saw this in action when Cora married Regina off to Leopold. I suspect it was more the norm than the exception. So, there’s nothing wrong with Milah not loving Rumple in a big, grandiose way. In many cultures, love develops as the marriage progresses, and that was probably the expectation Rumple and Milah had.
While I agree I don’t think these were qualities that Milah was ever interested in with Rumple. She did not care about his character. Just with the few scenes we have seen between Milah and Rumple she seemed to hate his sweetness, kindness, and tenderness. She was not looking for him to be a good father (as we saw in 5×14) or a “good ” person as we have seen in most of the flashbacks and especially in 5×14. What she valued, IMO is that he could provide her with a decent life. When he came back from the war as a “coward” he could no longer provide that and therefore she scorned him completely and to a certain effect their child also.
I disagree with a lot of this. Milah seemed to appreciate Rumple just fine before he went off to war. When he returned, they become social pariahs. In their society, with no government assistance or the like, social support would have been everything. It probably meant that Milah had to do all of the backbreaking work herself – even more so, since Rumple was compromised. Also, we saw Milah being harassed in ‘Devil’s Due’. We don’t know if this was a regular occurrence, but it may well have been. I imagine that the wife of the crippled, cowardly, town traitor was fair game for the louts. And few of the ‘good folk’ would have lifted a finger to help her. So yes, under these circumstances, I imagine Milah probably didn’t appreciate Rumple’s qualities very much. But who would? I mean, it was Rumple’s actions that triggered this hostility towards them.
I will be the first one to say that Milah is probably one character that I have never felt any sympathy for. She was selfish, self centered, and both a horrible wife and mother. I don’t believe she ever loved Rumple for who he is. She may have loved him for what he could provide her but when he could no longer provide her with that she scorned him, abused him, and neglected their child. She eventually took off with someone who she felt could provide her with a better life and protection. All in all I think her and Hook deserved each other, and Rumple and Bae were better off without her.
I also think this is unfair. There’s nothing wrong with expecting your husband to provide for and protect you – that was just the culture of the EF. Why is Milah so horrible for accepting the socially prevalent beliefs of her day? I think it also trivialises her situation to say that she simply “ran off with Hook because he could provide her with a better life”. Perhaps, Hook was the only person in her life who actually listened to her and respected her? I know this sounds trivial, but for someone who never gets respect, it means everything. Respect is a fundamental human need. It’s why people join gangs and cults. Rumple may have been sweet and kind, but he didn’t listen to her when she said she wanted to move. He simply didn’t understand. I suspect this was a recurring marital problem, and if so, both sides are responsible, not just Milah. What’s the point of having a sweet, kind husband if he doesn’t understand how much you are suffering?
What completely makes her unsympathetic for me is that she left her child. I can understand wanting a better life for herself, or a different mate or what have you but to leave your own son for that is unforgivable.
Why? Emma left her son. Snowing left their daughter. Rumple left his son. Why does nobody give Milah the benefit of the doubt and assume that maybe she was suffering so much, that she HAD to leave for her own sanity? As you say, she had to have been in a very dark place. Also, are you saying that this action is worse than mass murders? Because other characters have been forgiven for those.
Does Milah ask how Bae is doing, does she say hey Rumple what happened to you and where is our son? No! She was first worried about Hook, then makes a deal with Rumple for the bean. She does not even ask him what the bean is for, she simply says I don’t know why the dark one wants the bean but I know he does. Maybe just maybe if she had asked about her son I could have sympathy for her but she doesn’t, why because she could have cared less about Bae.
I get that this looks bad. But let’s face it, the situation was very unusual and highly tense. People were about to die. Maybe she felt that asking about Bae was secondary to the fact that blood was about to be shed. Also, it’s just one instance. If we got repeated instances of Milah ignoring Bae, then yes, I’d say there was enough evidence that she didn’t care. But I personally think that it’s too far a leap to make based on this one situation, where there were mitigating circumstances. In ‘Devil’s Due’, Milah expresses regret about Bae and does ask about him.
I find it interesting that Milah, a poor, powerless woman whose mistakes are very human, gets almost universal hate from the OUAT fandom – the same fandom who can find plenty of sympathy in their hearts for mass murdering villains! Yes, she made mistakes which hurt her family. Yes, she needs to be held accountable for that. But did she deserve to be murdered in cold blood and then thrown into the River of Souls? I don’t think so!
I hope Cat becomes Lena’s mentor next season. Lena needs a mother figure and Cat just needs to be involved. They can show them Skyping, which they can film without Calista being on site.
Here’s a pretty good interview with Devon Bostick about Jasper, his demise and his mental illness.
http://www.hypable.com/the-100-devon-bostick-jasper-death-interview/
They both mention being shocked that fans found Jasper ‘annoying’. Anyone have any comments about that?
It’s interesting that she mentions THREE years of energy being cut off. Presumably, the three years of energy before that are worth keeping!
JMo confuses me. She’s been giving out all these hints that she’s unhappy with the creative direction of the show. It’s been coming through in her acting; her expressions and general appearance have been off for a while. But then at cons, she is all over Colin in a way that seems to go above and beyond what marketing would require. In fact, we commented on here that it seemed over the top.
Also, in this interview (http://tvline.com/2017/05/15/once-upon-a-time-jennifer-morrison-leaving-season-7-adult-henry-daughter/), she states that her favourite storylines were the Dark Swan and a number of CS moments. We all thought she was ripped off during the Dark Swan storyline, after doing all the research that she did. So that answer surprised me. As for the CS stuff…well, maybe marketing, but maybe not. In this interview (http://www.etonline.com/tv/184130_exclusive_once_upon_a_time_stars_reveal_their_pick_for_show_most_romantic_moment_ever/), she mentions CS again, whereas Colin states that his favourite romantic moment is a Snowing one!
So..I don’t know. I definitely think she was unhappy with something, but I don’t know for sure whether it was CS, just the general direction her character went in or something else entirely.
I’m confused on how she’ll survive. Yes, nightblood will keep her alive from the radiation but what about food, water? I assume this death wave and following waves are going to wipe out animals.
Water should be fine, as her blood should be able to process the radiation contained in it. As for Earth’s ecosystem, I can only presume that the radiation, despite causing devastation, will not wipe it out completely. Some species, both plant and animal, are hardier than others and will cope better. Some may develop genetic mutations which enable them to adapt, much like nightbloods. At the very least, there should be just enough food sources such as seaweed, insects, wild herbs and certain types of fungus for her to scrounge. I think this will be the show’s explanation for how Clarke survives. It’s consistent with what they’ve shown before, which is that remnants of the ecosystem survived even the initial nuclear explosions. That forest the kids landed in when they first arrived had to have been several decades, if not several centuries old.
