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Rumple: What’s his name?
Milah: Bealfire
Rumple: STRONG NAME!

Rumple: No one breaks deal with me
Neal: Leave her alone!

Rumple: How did you two know each other?
Henry: Mom, what’s going on?
Rumple: ahhhhhh
Awkward moment 😀

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@CrownedWithLaurels wrote:

@hcadia wrote:

BUT!!!! neal said that rumple was a coward… i think neal is the same, he is a coward himself… thanks to this episode.. we can finally find out why neal has to leave emma… august said that neal will be in the way for emma to fulfill her duty which was to break the curse.. and we didnt know why he would be in her way until now.. he is bealfire and he wanted to stay away his dad…. he didnt want his dad to find him… which means that he didnt want this curse to be break.. while emma has to break it… so he ran away… he chose to leave emma instead of being there and support her to break the curse.. am i right guys or did i misunderstood this? poor emma!!

Here’s my take on it from page 1 of this thread. I agree somewhat with that except that because he didn’t want the curse broken, it would have been cowardice to not listen to August and just run away with Emma instead of leaving her. He was told he couldn’t come with her even to help her break the curse. I don’t know that he would have gone with her if August said it was okay, but in this scenario he was only doing what he was told. And because it was her destiny, even though it was hard and even though it meant he might one day face his father, he let her go to do it anyway. Because he was brave in that moment. My take is he didn’t run away because he wanted to leave her. He ran away because August didn’t give him a choice. Also I believe that the writers just said in a quote being passed around the forums today that confirmed that the intention was that Neal did not run away; he didn’t have a choice because of August. Sorry, I’d repost it here with the link but I’m on my phone and its hard enough to type on a mobile-unfriendly format hahaha!
Anyway, I love this topic and I love all the questions that arise from it. 🙂 love it!!

Here it is haha.

. As we have seen and heard many times, it has been made very clear esp in Manhattan that Nealfire believes in destiny. August told Neal this was about her destiny. I think that won out.

Here’s the deal. Yeah I’m sure he was afraid that someone actually knew his name and of his father finding him.
But I don’t think that is what made him give her up. He could have sold the watches with Emma, had some $$ and ran off, the curse never being broken and Rumple never getting out of Storybrooke nor ever getting back his memories to find his son. So if he was being selfish, and feared for himself due to his father, I think he would have just not listened to Pinocchio, because as long as the curse was enacted he wouldn’t have to worry about his father.

Now, granted, we don’t know how much he was told about the curse, and we haven’t been told yet how August even found them in the first place. But I hope we will find all that out soon!

In Tallahassee episode, August showed up from nowhere, and telling Neal that he and Emma came from the same home and he left her there because he thought that she was safe in the system, but now after he found her she was stealing with Neal… and the life that Neal was living in (stealing and being homeless) would keep Emma away from her destiny which was to break the curse. August asked Neal to leave Emma so she could do what she was suppose to do… because of Neal’s lifestyle… and I think August was very clear about Neal’s lifestyle, if I haven’t remembered it wrong. And I believe that this was the main reason why August needed Neal to get away from Emma because of the way Neal lived his life…it was dangerous and risky.

August then showed Neal what was inside the box to convince him to believe in magic and his story… August did say to Neal “i’m going to tell you a story and at the end of it, you must make a decision, will you do the right thing or not…” (something like this… i dont remember the entire sentence…) So August wasn’t forcing Neal to back off… Neal had a choice to do what was right or not, and for me I think that the right thing would be that he would change his lifestyle, get a job and make Emma believe in magic instead of actually walked away and let Emma deal with this alone even tho I understand that this was her’s destiny.

I’m pretty sure that August was just afraid that Neal will put Emma in danger by stealing and so on.. and that was the reason why Neal couldn’t stay with Emma… I believe that there wasn’t any other reasons.. August just wanted Emma safe until she had to break the curse when she turned 28, cf he wanted her to be in jail so she could be safe inside the system and get her life back together when she come out ..

In Manhattan, Neal admitted that he wanted to get away from all that c r a p… (his dad, magic) and if he knew who Emma was at the first place he wouldn’t come near her. He did admit that he just wanted to help Emma so she could be with her family again by leaving her… which I still can’t understand why this was the solution.. He could come back for Emma after the curse was broken, but he didn’t… He even got engaged … like he wanted to forget the past…..

Based on all of this, I believe that Neal left “ran away” also because he was afraid (coward) of facing his one and only father.. RUMPLE.

When it comes to the writers… i must say that they sometimes are very tricky 😉 if they did say that Neal left Emma because he was told by August then we must believe in them… just that I’m still confused of them sometimes.. like for example what was inside that box…! when Jane Espenson said that it was something, big, mysterious, red, shiny thing… it turned out to be just a simple white piece of paper and “I KNOW THAT YOU’RE BEALFIRE..” 😆

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even tho i’m a big fan of captainswan, i must admit that i’m absolutely in love with swanfire!!!! 😀

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i must say that manhattan episode was totally AWESOME!!!! i’ve re-watched it four times now, and it’s definitely my second best episode so far from season 2, right after episode 2×06 tallahassee which is my top 1.
i must admit that neal is very attractive and the chemistry between him and emma is AWESOME! well, i do ship captainswan 😎 , but damn….. so hard to choose… i’m so in love with swanfire! 😀

BUT!!!! neal said that rumple was a coward… i think neal is the same, he is a coward himself… thanks to this episode.. we can finally find out why neal has to leave emma… august said that neal will be in the way for emma to fulfill her duty which was to break the curse.. and we didnt know why he would be in her way until now.. he is bealfire and he wanted to stay away his dad…. he didnt want his dad to find him… which means that he didnt want this curse to be break.. while emma has to break it… so he ran away… he chose to leave emma instead of being there and support her to break the curse.. am i right guys or did i misunderstood this? poor emma!!

anyway i do believe that henry is a product of true love, because both emma and bealfire are from FTL, even tho they met in our world and got henry. and i believe that the love between the two of them are pure and true, until neal back off when he found out the truth about emma…

it was so sweet to see henry and neal at the balcony together too! …hm… i dont really know what to call neal or bealfire… get so mixed up 😆

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@EvilQueen wrote:

also:
– what are the ‘things’ that Cora needs of Hook’s ship?
– Regina said that the giant is just the distraction they need… Distraction for what?

i’ve been wondering the same thing about hooks ship… i just didn’t saw your post before i posted mine… and since you mention what are the things that cora needs from his ship… it kinda makes some sense now with what i thought off….i kinda think that his ship is related to the other lands… could it be that the ship itself is some kind of a compass… or like jeffersons hat? a portal can be created by a bean… and hooks ship can sail to what kind of direction that cora wants? i dont think its just a ship….. its been talking about the ship is made by enchanted wood for a while now….. can this be related to enchanted wood’s novels?….. 😕 😕 ❓ ❓ :geek:

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correct me if i’m off the road here… but its not the first time that i hear that hooks ship is made by enchanted wood… why has it been mentioned over a few episodes now… there does exist enchanted wood novels…where there is a land of wizards, a land of white rabbit and so on… and then august was also made by enchanted wood, and he and emma did came to storybrooke through enchanted tree…. they all are some kind of related to this enchanted tree or wood or forest…. i dont even know what my question is…but does any one have a clue about his ship? 😕 😕 😕 😕

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Honestly, I really like the whole episode! It was fun to watch:)

Favorite moments:
– Interesting back story of the Giants and the beans…
– Finally got a glimpse of who David’s twin brother really was, and I most say that they’re totally different from one another even when they came from the same mother.
– Jack the giant-killer.
– Leroy!!! He’s one of my favorite character on Once. Always has something awesome to say.
– Henry-Emma-Gold:) I wonder if Gold is actually scared of flights?
– Regina!! WELCOME BACK EVIL QUEEN, finally no more crying stuff.
– David and Mary Margaret, like old times when they were in Fairytale Land
– Ruby and Belle’s conversation

Least favorite moment:
– For the first time… NONE!:)

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if my theory above has failed….. i wonder what if, that big-red-shiny-thing is actually a heart that august has stolen from regina’s vault? regarding to what regina said when she saw august in storybrooke when regina has gotten her memory back… “has seen him before” or something like that (sorry don’t remember the actually words)… and the heart is shiny thanks to the magical wooden box that august has made by using the wood from the tree he and emma came through to our land? is that even possible:?: why i think like this is because of the words august said to neal… “do you believe in magic”…. so a heart still “alive” beaten and shiny red.. must be some kind of magic…right?

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honestly, when i think back… in fairytale land, pinocchio was very good to help his dad with all this wood-works…, i remember that he was making a wooden fish or something like that, while prince charming and snow had the meeting at the round table just before the curse came…

based on this, i believe that august has made this mysterious wooden box, and i believe that he must have used the wood from the tree that he and emma came through to our world…. maybe this tree has some magic, and the box itself can show what the other believe…or wants to believe..

in short, august asked neal if he believed in magic, and said that after neal has seen what was in the box he would believe in him…. so august was very confident that no matter what neal will trust in him…. these words could led to the theory above, the box itself can show what a person wants to see or desire…. so neal in this case get surprise after seeing what was in the box and want to listen to the story august wanted to tell him… about the curse etc…

i dont think that august placed the pic of the dagger in the box, because i believe that he didnt know who neal was… but it can also be that august as emma “guardian” has tracked neal down and know neal’s real identity and placed what ever related to him in that box.. in this

i thought that august learned about the dagger from henry’s book after he took it and write his own story in there…. so his knowledge about the dagger came after he meet neal and not before…..

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– you spend your time looking for clues instead of doing other things that you have to do…
– you call your boyfriend as pinocchio everytime you catch him saying white lies…
– you google down all fairytale characters that is in once
– you like wednesday because some of the sneak peeks are available on youtube
– you get very upset when you count down the rest of the episodes that are left before season’s final
– you think of emma when you literally see swans
– you smile when you see its 8:15 on your watch/clock, and the first thing that pop up is once upon a time
– you rather watch once than go out on a date
– you successfully can tell everything about this show to someone that has never seen it before than you could handle an oral exam
– you can name at least 20 characters on once in just 30 seconds or less crazy:-)
– you think of cora, regina and rumple when you study about hearts on your med books
– you wish your hat could open cool portals
– you enjoy the stories on the show much more than the original stories

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