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12) And what of Charming’s mother? Is she in danger because he broke off his engagement? Was this addressed in the show? Did he suddenly forget about her when falling in love with Snow?
[adrotate group="5"]10) Did Henry ever mention in the show that nobody ages?
Whether or not he did, this is what is understood, correct?
This would of course been most obvious to him with his classmates, and the kids younger than him that he eventually out-grew. (The 7 year olds that were older than him when he was 5 were younger than him when he was 10).
This presents a problem for Regina – are we to assume the following: Henry was aware no one aged, Regina was aware he was aware, his memories were always left intact, and that the only reason he hasn’t tried to escape from her sooner is his dependance on adults, as well as an ignorance of reality – having grown up in a town where no one grows up but him? (Where’s Tink? :-p)
Is it just me, or has the ‘no one grows up’ part of the script not really been addressed as it should have been?
Shouldn’t have Henry blatantly stated: there were kids who were older than me who are now younger than me?
Or would he realize this would make him look too crazy …
Or perhaps his memory altered as well ..11) Did anyone else get as confused as I did – until Graham was killed – about Mayor Regina’s knowledge of the curse and FTL? Although everyone on these forums insists of course she remembered everything because it was her curse, I wasn’t so sure until she finally showed viewers she knew by going into the chamber beneath her father’s tomb. I got a very strong sense of purposeful ambiguity, like Wizard of Oz (was it real or just a dream?) or stories where there’s never concrete proof something wasn’t just someone’s imagination.
And I loved that feeling of ambiguity, as one could until that episode always rationalize why the Mayor was upset / ruthless without needing to concede that she remembered her former identity.
What I didn’t appreciate was that the narrator of the opening sequence of the show for the first several episodes said “only one person knows, and only one can stop her”. I felt like he spoiled one of the most dramatic secrets kept from viewers until the Graham crushed-heart episode. [and more than one person knew … it looks like 4-5 in Storybrooke knew: Regina, Henry, Gold (kept a secret at first), August (kept a secret at first), and possibly Jefferson. So the narrator also fed false information]
Is anyone with me on this? Imagine the narrator never said that. Was there anything in the script that made it obvious that Mayor Regina knew she was the queen before we finally see her use magic? I loved that episode so much because until then, she didn’t necessarily seem evil. Do you agree that purposely keeping it ambiguous would have been effective? Was I just foolishly mis-remembering the scene when she asserted to Rumple he wouldn’t remember, and my vague memory generalized that she wouldn’t remember either? Because I get the feeling that if we shared this show with a newcomer and muted the opening narrater, that people would be asking: “does she know?” each and every eipsode, until that heart-crushing episode. Until that epsisode, the show seemed to take great lengths to never let us see Regina, even alone, reveal that she ‘knew’ anything about FTL.
I chose to ignore the narrator until that episode, and considered it a poor editing choice.
What’s your take?7) Do we believe that Emma actually had a super power of being able to detect lies, but was in denial with Sydney, moreover choosing not to use it in her varous investigations, as well as every time Regina tricked her? Or did she make the whole thing up?
8) If it was Emma’s 28th Birthday that Henry showed up, and she gave him up for adoption 10 years prior, it is safe to assume she was 17 when he was conceived, yes? I feel like I’ve seen it discussed that she was 18. Nothing wrong with being 17, but depending on the state, wonder if Henry was illegally conceived :-p Massachusetts’ laws are ambiguous at quick glance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#Massachusetts . She’d be fine in Maine however :-p Did the writers intend for her to conceive at 17, which seems controversial for a family show? I personally have no ethical problem with conception at any age, if it’s an ethical conception to begin with, but just wondering.
9) Rumple is a perspicacious guy, so must we assume he was in denial about Belle not loving him, and not using his intellect, because since she was turning him back into a man and erasing the ‘dark one’, their love must have been true and mutual, right? I don’t understand why such a smart character would not realize that she couldn’t be ‘tricking’ him because if her love was disingenuous, the kiss would never break his ‘curse’ of being the dark one. So is this an inconsistent character trait, or is it that when it comes to love, Rumple always gets it wrong?
@Arjay369 wrote:
@obisgirl wrote:
@helpmeunderstandthis wrote:
Only Read if you watched all of Season 1:
1) Who is the fairest of them all?:
Pilot – Snow to Charming:
Snow says to Charming:
“She poisoned an apple because she thought I was prettier than her. You have no idea what she’s capable of”I think that was just a throw-back to the original Snow White cartoon. That was the sole reason why the Evil Queen hated her, because the Magic Mirror declared that she was prettier than her. So really, the Disney Snow White was essentially a ‘beauty contest.’ OUAT gave it more depth though.
That was actually the point of the original fairy tale. The evil queen was vain and didn’t like the mirror stating Snow White was fairer than she. The evil queen tried to kill snow three different ways and the apple stuck, literally. The ending to the actual fairy tale is different than the Disney movie, as well. The evil queen is forced to wear iron shoes that had been heated in an oven and dance in them until she dropped dead.
4 continued) Realizing Snow’s statement was a nod to the other versions of the story, my question is whether her statement can fit in Once Upon A Time’s world without being a contradiction of the script.
5) If the Genie’s Lamp could grant wishes after the Genie was freed, then could Regina take control of the lamp afterward, or would it need a new genie? Does anyone remember if it disappeared after the 3rd wish? How does a lamp work without a genie?
6) If Rumple only regained his memories when he heard Emma’s name name at Granny’s upon her first visit (as the Creators asserted in an interview), then did he unwittingly arrange Henry’s adoption without any memories of FTW?
4) Pilot: Prince Charming to his guards: “I’ve sent my men into the forest. The Animals are abuzz with the queen’s plan.”
This seems to be a reference to Disney fairy tales, but we have yet to see a talking animal in this series. Or am I mistaken?
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7) Probably, because Regina had items that were still magical, as shown in the finale.
29) I don’t think that he “wasted” love. I think he needed very powerful magic in order to bring magic back to an entire town, possibly an entire world.
36) He wasn’t a stable boy; he was a shepherd. Shepherds had to know how to fight off wild animals and thieves to protect their sheep. (I’m not just making that up about shepherds to justify it; I’ve actually heard that before in a completely different context.)Lisa, Just saw your reply now, after already responding, so ignore the questions you answered. Great answers, thanks!
Elle, thanks for all the responses! You are great! Many were so helpful! 🙂
I have clarification / follow-up questions on a few, listed as Capital Letters below the corresponding question numbers:4) I am not sure if you are saying Jefferson ran back into his house after being kicked out the window.
A) If Jefferson got knocked out of a window, is he just very physically resillient (he had been beheaded after all)?
B) In the real world, should he not have either a) died/been immobilized or b) gone through the hat into an alternate world?6) Yes, the fact that Emma felt Graham’s heart confused me a lot. I don’t understand how there are different kinds of hearts.
A) Is there a back story or mythology this is referring to – perhaps the original Snow White & Huntsman story? I am not familiar with any fairy tale unfatal heart removal rules. Regina’s father’s heart was snatched and he immediately died. Regina’s fiancee’s heart was snatched and he seemed to immediately become unconsious if I recall, and was killed when the heart was ground into ashes. Finally, Graham’s was snatched and he seemed to retain life and the ability to make his own choices.
B) If these are 3 different scenarios, how are we as viewers to really understand?
C) Furthermore, how is this kind of magic supposed to have made it to a magicless land?
D) If it is just a heart of emotion, why did Graham die when it was ground up?
E) And if we were supposed to know that the Regina would remember that she was the evil queen, why: a) does the narrator of the intro tell us this (spoiler) and b) does the show never explicitly let us know that Regina knows she is the queen – until she finally kills Graham? This seems to be poorly executed. I, for one, perceived that it was ambiguous whether she knew she was the evil queen until she finally went into the secret chamber. It seemed that the show was strongly trying to convey that ambiguity.
F) Otherwise, why not show us any proof she knew she was the queen beforehand?
G) Did the narrator in the intro not spill the beans (did they not accidentally give us a spoiler)?8) Evil Queen saving her father was not much proof of love. Could have just as easily been about ‘winning’ against Red Queen. Either way, the writing was not strong when she plucked her father’s heart. Even though it was unexpected, I don’t think the viewers cared because we didn’t perceive the sacrifice. I still think it would have been very poetic and effective if she plucked her own heart, alla never ending story 2 – heartless can’t love or be good. She seemed to care more about her ring than her father, and more about all the curses. Her father came off as a servant so early in the series. I’m glad we saw the back-story when she was innocent and in love and seemed to care for her father, but it was strange to portray sacrifice before any of us knew it was sacrifice.
A) Why not throw away the sleeping curse she stole from Malificent, which she also seemed to care more about?
B) For that matter, it seemed that was alluding to the Sleeping Beauty mass-sleeping curse. If so, where did it go?
C) The apple was from the Ginger Bread House Witch, so was the stolen sleeping curse ever used?
D) Do we yet know what came of Cora?9) A) I guess I really meant – why didn’t Evil Queen kill Snow White with strong magic if she intended to when hiring huntsman?
B) Why hire the huntsmen if she could have used her mirror to instantly transport Snow or the Queen to snow?
C) Was Snow White’s heart delivered supposed to be a fatal delivery or control over Snow White like over Huntsman?
D) And didn’t she threaten to execute the prince after Snow’s sleep? If she wished to kill him, why trap him in the endless forest rather than a transport and kill?
E) Or can we answer everything with Magic Comes With a Price? It just seems that Regina never is deterred by that very real consequence, so while I agree the writing suggest that all her magic backfires, why would she try so hard to zigzag? She is after all a very intelligent cunning and shrewd villain.11) When you refer to the Creators explaining, are you referring to:
A) Inside knowledge off-the-record?
B) scripted moments discussed by characters in a specific episode?
C) Interviews with creators that explain some questions the viewers have.
If the latter, can you link us to these interviews?! 🙂12) By virtue of her 1 lie, the Blue Fairy lied, as I alluded to the one time. It’s a very significant lie. It just seems so ironic that the fairy fairytaled to tell Pinnochio to never lie, lies for him. It would have been nice if she was uncomfortable with the ‘lie’ itself or reworded the statement to be deceptive but not a lie.
13) How do we know August didn’t write the book? Does the script provide any clues of this, or are you aware of something off the record? I thought the show implied he was the author after we realize he added to the book. Did I miss a line when he showed he wasn’t the author?
15) I’m not sure I understand what August expected Emma to experience.
A) How can you show someone their history without anything to show them?
B) Was there something about the tree she was supposed to see if she wasn’t in denial? The scene wasn’t very effective, because August (who is adept at wrapping Emma around his finger when they first acquaint) seems to have absolutely no plan or persuasive ability at convincing Emma the tree is special. I am trying to understand what he expected her to do in ideal circumstances. He couldn’t expect her to remember the tree as she was a newborn.
C) Was he expecting her to see some magical anomoly?
D) Was he expecting to travel back? Seeing that he knew she didn’t yet believe, I fail to understand how he thought showing her an ordinary tree would persuade her to believe, unless there was something he thought she would see in the tree that would prove something.16) Emma mourns Graham for one scene and then he never comes up again in her thoughts. Seems too surgically removed and makes their romance seem unauthentic. I wish she ever had a flash-back of him, and ever reflected on any of the odd wolf stuff in her own flashbacks.
29) I meant that Rumple ends up using bottled up love to bring magic to story brooke.
A) Why does he use love specifically?
B) Is it merely because it is magic, or because of its strength?
It seems strange he would waste such powerful magic when there was so much other magic all over storybrooke (“Please”; Dragon; objects in mine; objects triggering false memories; Jefferson’s Hat, Regina’s plucked-out hearts, Regina’s Ring, Regina’s heart chambers, Regina’s trinkets) ,,, for someone knowing about everything in the town, why did he throw away ‘love’ into the well? I was saying it may have been a metaphor for throwing away his love for both Bael and Belle in trade for power.31) But I thought all illustrations in the book were’t obvious enough to begin with to strike a resemblance, or else she would have immediately found it a coincidence. I also thought she assumed Jefferson saw the book and modeled his outfits and ‘fake neck scar’ on the illustrations. Do we have reason to believe she actually started to believe?
34) I heard someone on some forum make a distinction between the curse ‘breaking’ and the curse ‘ending’.
A) Is this distinction addressed in the show, and if not, in classic fairy tales?
B) Does the distinction explain why they remained in Story Brooke?37) A) I meant, would Belle still be locked up if all the people who knew she was down there would remember who they were, or might we assume that only the Queen’s henchmen knew about Belle’s whereabouts and had Jefferson not freed her she may have remained hidden?
40) The part of the timeline of the prince fleeing his marriage to find Snow that I don’t remember is: A) when did he find out that she was trying to protect him after being threatened by his father? I seem to recall him seeking her out before having any new information. He seemed to be chasing down a girl he had every reason to believe didn’t love him – or did I forget a line?
B) If so, what was the line, and who said it?
