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ParticipantI am glad this at least means there will probably not be a Henry baby or an Emma and Hook baby or a Regina baby. I didn’t want to see any of that. Unless the writers forgot or are lying.
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ParticipantI don’t like the idea that the Blue and Black Fairy are like the two Reginas where there is the “evil” side and the “good” side. It was dumb when they did it with Regina because it was just a way to make Regina not responsible for her actions. Anything that makes characters not responsible for their actions just doesn’t work for me.
If they Blue Fairy is just changing her appearance and pretending to be the Blue Fairy who she murdered back in the day when she is really the Black Fairy or the other way around, that would be fine. I would rather the Blue Fairy actor be the real person and she have murdered the Black Fairy who was actually the “good” one.
I think that would fit too, with the Blue Fairy taking that empty story book. The Blue Fairy having the Black Fairy’s wand. Then just her general shadiness.
Most likely they are just different people though and Emma and Hook kissing will for some reason just break the curse and then the Black Fairy will just go away because of reasons. I think the Black Fairy being “defeated” needs to have something to do with Gideon and Belle and Rumpel and not to do with anything Emma does. They will have some conversation and it will be fine.
hjbau
ParticipantThat answer about how it is ending is not really because it was supposed to be Neal and not be Hook. That is what that answer means. Emma and Neal in the bug driving away makes sense. Emma and Hook being in the bug at the end makes no sense and has no connection to the beginning of the series and because of that was never the plan.
hjbau
ParticipantThere was a promo during Grey’s.
April 13, 2017 at 5:57 pm in reply to: 6×16 "Mother's Little Helper"–Favorite and Least Favorite Moments #336031hjbau
ParticipantI think the biggest problem of all of it is first that Emma is a worse person now then she was when the show began and second that the show uses the heroes and villains dialogue. That should never have been a thing.
The show should show Emma accepting her saviorhood and doing things for other people, for the greater good, if that is the way the savior and hero dialogue is being setup. The thing is the show is ending or getting rid of Emma after showing her repeatedly only caring about herself and her immediate family. Emma may say she accepts her saviorhood, but there is nothing in the show to suggest that she is better or doing more for people then she was before. If anything she is doing much less then she did in the first few seasons.
Which it would be fine, if they didn’t call Emma the hero and the savior. There are a lot of shows were the main protagonists take care of their own first and foremost. That can work, but those characters don’t go around calling themselves heroes. I don’t know any show where the characters go around calling themselves heroes or villains. It is ridiculous.
For me, this is a writing error. This is not something about how Emma is acting that is the error. It seems like people think that Snow, Charming, and Emma are “self righteous” because they call themselves heroes and they call Regina, Rumpel, and Hook villains. It is bad writing, like it always is.
hjbau
ParticipantThere are things that happen on this show. I just don’t think that it is really plot. It is just random events. There is not cohesion of story, the characters are inconsistent, there is no growth, there is rarely a basic connection from one moment to another. There is a lot of repetition now. Things like Emma is the savior and the savior will die is said in various forms throughout the season up until the end when we find out whether or not she will die. There has been a little bit of plot with that in the episodes where Emma talked to Aladdin about his experience and maybe a little bit with Hyde, but even that is debatable because Hyde was unreliable and i am not sure how much we can take anything he said as relevant.
I think the last episode was like information dump. It wasn’t plot. If you want to call though the basic things that happen in a show plot though that’s fine. I don’t agree with that definition, but it isn’t an unreasonable one. I think character growth is plot and that is what i mean when i say this show does not have a plot. I mean there is no character growth anymore.
hjbau
ParticipantIf Hook getting home is the only plot point that matters, you can’t say all these scenes don’t matter. They are leading to the moment where he is able to finally go home. It’s called plot. It’s called a story. To just say that Hook can’t get back and not show us his struggle and who he meets and what he does to get back, and then poof, he’s back….well talk about underwhelming. Again, you may not like the plot of Hook being gone and trying to find his way home, but for the whole Hook finding his way home plot, what he’s doing is relevant (to that plot). It’s not like they showed us a scene where Hook strikes up a conversation with a local pigeon and has a drink with it. That would be irrelevant. But with Blackbeard, he got the bean from him. How? In a poker game Blackbeard cheated at. They then used the bean but it took them to Neverland instead. That’s called plot points. Again, you may not like the story/plot they are telling, and you may not like that the scenes were meshed in this episode with the Black Fairy, but nothing happened in Hook’s story in this episode that wasn’t relevant to him finding a way back home.
If they wanted to show him arrive in Neverland at the end of the episode via bean and run from some lost boys, that would have been enough to just establish that Hook was in Neverland.
Really? You wouldn’t be nagging on the show for not showing us how he got to Neverland? That would be ridiculous if all they showed was him in Neverland and didn’t show how he got there.
Except i can absolutely say that just showing Hook arriving on Neverland with a bean was all they needed to show. There are people that complain about the show not showing things that don’t need to be shown, but i am not one of them. Especially because there are so many important extremelly relevant scenes that would vastly enrich the characters and make their arcs and growth actually make sense. Those are the scenes that they should show. They could have had Hook get a bean from Aladdin or Jasmine or really any random way at the end of the last episode because it didn’t matter. There was no need to show a third of an episode of him doing a bunch of nothing.
Character growth is plot. This show does not have a plot anymore because the characters don’t grow. They don’t show the characters go to the bathroom or eat all the time or even go to work most of the time because it doesn’t matter. It was like them showing Hook poop for an episode instead of showing something of say Gideon interacting with Belle. I don’t even like Rumpel and Belle, but that would have at least made sense and been on point.
I think about Season 2 episode 2 when they just showed a scene right at the end of the episode where Snow and Emma are tied up and being dragged into the camp by Mulan and Aurora. They didn’t show how they got from unconscious to tied up and captured because, guess what, it didn’t matter.
hjbau
ParticipantRegina was always Regina Mills. Cora was always the Miller’s daughter.
April 12, 2017 at 4:51 pm in reply to: 6×16 "Mother's Little Helper"–Favorite and Least Favorite Moments #335911hjbau
ParticipantHow could you possibly have thought they were joking? A death threat is not a joke.
hjbau
ParticipantYeah, the miller’s daughter is a character from the Rumpelstiltskin story, so she is not original. She just happens to be The Evil Queen’s mother from the Snow White story in the Ouat version.
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