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This is it exactly and it extends into every aspect of their show. Like, you mentioned Hook, but it goes to their continued PoC problem–they were getting creamed by fans and even some critics about their lack of PoC representation and how they treated their PoC characters. So what did they do? They cast a Latina Gwen and an African Merlin—and then proceeded to have Gwen raped and Merlin killed to further a white character’s plot. They think the simple act of casting two diverse characters is enough because they may hear the complaints, but they don’t listen, really and truly listen. Substitute PoC for LGBTQ or anyone not heterosexual, white, and young.
Exactly. They cast persons of color, but they die or are no one of consequence. They have a LGBTQ relationship, but it is so underdeveloped as to be offensive, and so disappointing in light of the possibility of Red and Mulan or Mulan and Merida or really anyone but Dorothy.
Then it is like wink wink, we did the thing? You like us now, right? This show is progressive and inclusive and feminist now? Wink wink? Right? Hello?
Oh wait, no one is there because they have lost the majority of their audience.
[adrotate group="5"]I think it is fascinating that they aren’t promoting this episode a a captain swan episode. It is like on one hand someone knows that promoting captain swan is bad for ratings, but on the other hand they still keep writing crap for them.
I think it’s probably part generational, part ideological. This isn’t just about social media use, it’s about what people get upset about, and whether the show runners can actually take the criticism seriously without immediately getting defensive or dismissing the critique (which A&E can’t). It seems that A&E genuinely think that what they’re writing is “feminist” by virtue of having female protagonists, and giving them occasionally “sassy” dialogue lines. And get totally pissed off when their audience suggests that well, guys, maybe that’s not quite enough anymore.
I definitely agree with you. The writers can’t take criticism. They do think they are writing something feminist by having a female protagonist and having them say powerful or sarcastic dialogue on very rare occasions. I do think that the audience doesn’t think that is enough. I just think that Adam and Eddie have no awareness that the people speaking against the show are their audience. I think that they think that everyone on twitter is a screaming fifteen year old girl wearing a pink princess shirt and can therefore be dismissed.
I also think that the fandom is really bad at talking about the problems. They say things like why hasn’t Hook apologized to Belle, instead of Hook is a misogynistic, murderous, tool and needs to die and not date the protagonist of your show. People do say those things, but they get watered down amidst all these little projects we give them. Then they have Hook apologize and they are like wink wink audience, is that enough? You like him now, right? We are going to regain viewers, right?
I think the lack of understanding is real. They really don’t get it. They don’t understand that the twitter senders and the tumblr blogs and the podcasters, not these podcasters who are just trying to make money, but the normal average person who just does it for fun, the fanfiction writers, the imdb posters. That they are really their audience. That is really how people feel about this show and that is why people quit watching it. They think everyone online is just a crazy fan who wants a certain couple to be together and can be kept on just by being baited. They think that when it is obviously, completely untrue.
It is a complicated issue.
I absolutely think the actors are told what they have to say about the show. I don’t think they are allowed to just talk about the show how they feel. Also, i don’t think the fandom helps in that they attack Jennifer no matter what she says, so there is no value to her in saying what she thinks. She toes the party line because she is going to get chewed out regardless.
I just don’t think it is her fault as an actor, what happens on the show. I think she wants it to be what she is saying. That they are two people working through their issues and that it is realistic. It isn’t realistic. It isn’t healthy. It isn’t good. I think she doesn’t know. That may be irresponsible, but i think it’s true. I think that the reason scenes like the vision with Emma and Neal come off the way that they do, as much more romantic then Emma/Hook scenes, and that Emma is still a mess, depressed, is because that is Jennifer doing what she can. She can’t control the narrative.
I don’t know the actors from the shows you mentioned, but i know the girls from the 100 have been very vocal about the mistake it was to kill off Lexa. I agree, that as an actor that is what should be done. I also know that they as someone younger, the way that they view social media and the role of the audience in the creative control of the show, is very different then how someone in their late 30s views social media and the fandom/audience participation. Part of me thinks the reason that Eddie and Adam are so bad at interacting with the fandom is because they are in their mid 40s and their audience is so much younger then them. They don’t understand fandom or social media. They think that people talking about the show is good even if people find it extremely problematic. The majority of the actors are in their late 30s. I think there is a generational divide here.
I don’t exactly blame Jennifer because she is in too deep. She probably doesn’t even watch the episodes. The writers talk to her in the right way, so she doesn’t see it. She is at fault for not being aware of what she is putting out there. I do understand her problem though. She wants to work. She wants to act. If she just says horrible things about the show, then that could go away. She could not get work anymore.
I do think she might be more careful with what she does in the future though. People aren’t perfect though. Eddie and Adam i have much less tolerance for because they have a much greater control of the show.
Oh my goodness did Jennifer really say that? What is wrong with this show? I don’t blame Jennifer for that if that is what is the writing of the show. I can’t imagine Emma wanting to have another baby. They are going to need to have that make sense characterwise. Though nothing on this show makes sense characterwise.
This is off topic, but i also really liked Westworld. It was harsh, but a really interesting premise. Really good actors too.
I was looking forward to getting to see the Cinderella episode, now it just sounds awful. They are such liars. There aren’t going to e any good Emma/Henry moments. It is going to be captain swan crap all around. What is wrong with the writers of this show? May you get cancelled and never get another show to run again.
