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People are not blowing things out of proportion. The captain swan relationship is so problematic. The kiss is just another thing in the long list of horror that is their relationship. The complete ruin it has caused to Emma as a character is unforgivable. She is their character. The writers made Emma up; she is their fairytale character. They should care about what happens to her more then any of the other characters. It is absolutely horrible that they would put her with someone like Hook.
[adrotate group="5"]Agree with you, i mean when fans from many ships even SQ fans complained to Adam on Twiter that was a lack of respect that CS kissed near Robin cofin, and Adam answer to those fans was “So some fans didnt liked it, but i know others loved it”, aka, what u say means nothing as long CS fans are happy.
Exactly, the writers just don’t care and they are too stupid to understand what they are writing. That is why they tell instead of show all the time, they seem to think that we don’t get what they are writing. They think we should find it romantic and like it, when that vast majority of people do not like it and find it extremely problematic. A lot of people have changed the channel. They think we don’t understand what they are writing. When it is there fault, that they for some reason can’t think about basic things. They just think we are all like crazy fanatics, when really i think most people would just rather there be healthy relationships on the show, when there aren’t.
I think they do think that the captain swan relationship is an expression of love and we should celebrate it. I don’t think they even think about the actions of the characters. It is hey, we want you to like this relationship, so like it. Hey, we want you to not like this relationship, so don’t like it. They don’t care about it being problematic, abusive, and unhealthy. They don’t even realize that it is that way. I do think that they just do the same things over and over again too, so having similar scenes between what they consider a “good” couple and what they consider a “bad” couple isn’t something they would even think about.
It is hard because i think the writers are that stupid. They have no idea what they are doing, in my opinion. Certainly not when it comes to “true love”.
I don’t know. Sometimes titles come out early before the filming. If not, then they will probably come out the first time they film outside.
Oh yes. I think producers/showrunner can be worse! Yes, no one should send death threats or bully in general but 9/10 of the people who do that aren’t going to actually do anything. They, like the article I linked points out, think that their tweet will never be read, or they’re just getting caught up in the fervor of other fans. The showrunners and writers are actually in control of the media piece at the end of the day. They can insert anything they want into the narrative either to silence critics or respond to backlash. Everyone remember the silly “Maybe we should have called him Baelfire” line in 401? After meeting with tons of backlash for naming baby Snowflake Neal, A and E have Prince Charming utter that line without any context, without any surrounding dialogue to explain the awkward line. It was pretty clearly a sarcastic remark to the fandom. And that’s what producers can do; use the media piece as a weapon which, in turn, seems to only fuel more anger and more vitriol from the fans.
Seriously, what is it with the writers making snide comments at the fandom in the show? What do they think they could possibly gain by doing that? That is just really frustrating for everyone watching the show. I don’t know if i have just never been as aware of a fandom as i have been of Ouat’s and their writers, but this show does that all the time in really rude and disrespectful ways. It is unimaginable to me what the writers are thinking when they do that.
I don’t know if these elements are the sole contributers to the fan behaviour described in the article. I’ll use a parallel sports situation to illustrate my point. I’m an avid cricket fan. In one cricket playing country, you see eerily similar examples of extreme fan behaviour. The entitlement is present, the death threats, effigy burning, house stoning, social media bullying and overidentification with the team to the point where even the slightest criticism is taken as an insult to national pride. The game of cricket, like the entertainment industry, has changed over the years (becoming more commercial) and fans from all countries frequent social media. Yet, this extreme behaviour is nowhere near as prevalent in other cricket playing countries. The point I’m trying to make is that it is driven by cultural and socio-political factors more so than technology. Now, getting back to the matter at hand – I’m not sure what fandom is like in countries other than the US. Would fans in countries like Norway, reputed to be laid-back, be as vocal or as passionate? Would countries that don’t have the same high rates of consumerism or entertainment consumption display the same entitlement or overidentification? Would countries where being vocal is not seen as desirable have such an engaged fan base? I don’t know. But I suspect not. I’m in no way intending to criticize American culture. Fandom can achieve some very positive things – more inclusivity and better representation for example. This too, has a cultural aspect. You can see the connection between the Elsa campaign and a culture that values freedom of expression, diversity and individualism. So my (tentative) conclusion is that fan behaviour is strongly influenced by culture, more so than technology and might be seen as a microcosm of the society it is based in. I also think that the article is being overly dramatic when it says that ‘fandom is broken’. If anyone does know about how fandom manifests itself in different countries and cultures, I’d be interested to hear about it. No doubt, each one would have its own quirks and bad behaviour.
I think that culture does have an effect on fandom and i think that what happens in America is pretty mild then what happens in other countries. I think about how soccer fans are in other countries, rioting, people dying at soccer games, kidnapping players. How musicians are chased through the airport in Brazil and people sing outside their hotel all night long, crying like lunatics. Obviously, the crazy that exists on the internet is something special, but i don’t think it can even be remotely assumed that they are all Americans. I am not saying there aren’t crazy Americans out there as mentioned in the articles that have been posted, there clearly are, and they are clearly on twitter and facebook and elsewhere spreading their insanity, but i just don’t think it is any different then insanity surrounding musicians or sports players in other countries. All am saying is that some of the crazy on the internet is not American.
That article is true. When the show began, i tried to give the writers the benefit of the doubt, but it has become clear that they have no clue how problematic their story telling has become. They, for some reason, are just completely unaware of what is an abusive relationship, either that, or they honestly think that what they are writing is something that women want to see, when it is not.
Adam behaves horribly on twitter, but part of me does feel just a very tiny bit sorry for him, in that, i think he actually knows that the show is bad. Eddie is completely unaware, and thinks he is god’s gift to writing, but Adam knows and just doesn’t know what to say. Adam is still a troll though. He lies about stuff, saying they are going to do it and/or saying just keep watching, wait and see, when they have no plan to do anything good or healthy with certain plot lines or relationships. I still think he knows that they made a monumental mistake when they killed off Bae and that now the show is just pretty much a cartoon.
Actually, that is a disservice to cartoons. There are better cartoons then this show.
The “monster” in LOST was originally a person. It was also being controlled by people. It was never just unthinking evil. Even, before we knew that, it was the unknown that was suspenseful. The Others were always the most frightening thing going on. I mean think of Ethan. There was never flickers of ghosts or demons in LOST, well besides that one time. Also, it was a small part of the show. They also sort of implied at first that it was mechanical with the clicking mechanical noise it made. I just have a hard time imagining them being able to sustain just supernatural evil. I can only see so much ghosts or demons flip onto the screen before i think it is dumb and am out.
I thought the show was going to be a murder mystery, but it seems to be just supernatural. So there is some sort of monsters or demons attacking them. That is much less interesting because there is rarely good motivation behind a monster. It is usually they just can’t help it. It is there nature. Which is boring.
