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Jennifer did say that Swan was the name of the first family that adopted her and then gave her back. Though like you said that was never canon so they could change that.
[adrotate group="5"]I wonder if they are back in the real world now. I have wondered if the clock tower was where they appeared at in Storybrooke. Though probably not.
I’m not so sure this has anything to do with masculinity. The women are very strong on the show. Rumple we know is strong with magic, Charming has his sword fighting abilities, heck even Robin has his bow and arrow. And we’ve seen Belle kick some butt too. But Neal has no fighting skills. And that’s fine. Not all men need to be tough, but I just feel in a world with magic, it would be hard for him to survive because literally everyone other than maybe Henry have some sort of strength they can use. If you were ok with Neal sitting back in the background like an Archie character or a dwarf then fine. But the main players are all very strong. Neal is a strong person in his own way. But the ability to defend and fight I feel he was lacking. For me, he felt out of place in a land with magic in storybrooke.
Neal did fine with the fighting. He had a sword and a crossbow. He was no less ridiculous then Emma is with her knife or Snow has been with her bow or even Charming with his sword. Neal was shown to be no less capable because this show has never been about action fights. All of the characters flourish their weapons too much and the fights look unrealistic at best. I thought the way Neal went into Pan’s camp and had put magic on the arrow because he knew that Pan would catch it and then he would be trapped was pretty awesome.
The problem with the point is that the removal of Neal is what caused him to not be part of those stories. They did not properly end the series like story of Rumpel finding and reuniting with his son. That was never properly resolved. Neither was Emma’s anger with him and their history, what Neal did to her, that was never properly resolved on the show. Also, Henry never got to know Neal. Neal never discussed his mother with Belle. He never properly discussed his time on Neverland and what Hook did to him with everyone. Neal knows Mulan and Mulan is coming back for the one off LGBT episode. Neal’s father was the dark one and so was Henry’s mother. They went further into Emma’s past in the queen’s of darkness arc and Neal was the only person that knew her back then and knew about what she did and her past in any detail. Neal would actually know how Emma was feeling and why she was upset with Snow and Charming for setting her apart, because something very similar happen to him when Rumpel became the dark one and set Bae apart by threatening anyone who came near him. That was why Bae was separated from Rumpel, there could have been a very nice scene where Neal brought up what happened in his past to Snow and Charming and said don’t push her away. There is seriously so much depth that will forever be left untapped because Neal is gone. Neal who knows everyone and is connected to everyone and is the character to have known Emma, the main character, when she was young, and who has a very similar story arc just his father was dark and Emma’s was light and yet they both made similar choices. It just doesn’t make sense to me to suggest that the story isn’t there. It just writes itself when i think about it for two seconds.
If you didn’t like The Dark Swan, then you are probably too far gone to be pleased by the show anymore. Which is fine. Not saying that as a negative thing. But it will likely take a lot for you to think an episode is good now. The fact that Rumple’s girl gave it a 7/10 means I will probably give it an 8/10 haha. It’s encouraging. The Neal thing is sad as I’d hoped he would make a return around the finale. But I’m mostly happy that Greg Germann is doing a good job with Hades and that the writing for Hades seems good out of the gate. Let’s go #operationfirebird
A large portion of the audience did not like The Dark Swan. Go ahead and like it, that’s fine, but others can say it was horrible if they want. Endings have to be good and it was a terrible ending to the arc, it was inconsistent and anticlimactic and actually didn’t end most of the plot points opened for the season.
Edit: Swan Song is the finale, though seriously my complaint still stands, everything that was introduce in the first episode nothing came of, so while it was a good beginning, it doesn’t stand up with how inconsistent the last five episodes of the season ended up being to what was introduced there.
In what way did my post off an opinion on other characters? I offered an opinion on how a character is relevant to the plot. The plot is the characters, in my opinion, and a character that has a connection to most of the main characters on the show is relevant to the plot. I am talking about plot here, not other characters.
I liked Neal, but I’m not sad that he’s gone from the show, and I’m not interested in seeing him again. He was an important part of the plot in season 2, and after the technology vs magic storyline mutated and fizzled, he lost a lot of the relevance-to-plot that I thought made him interesting. It’s a tragedy when real people die too soon, but the tragedy for fictional people is when they stick around too long. Neal lost a lot of relevance before he died, but he would have lost a lot more if he’d stayed. I don’t mean this as flamebait. It’s just not something I can express in the other thread where most of the Neal talk takes place.
This doesn’t make any sense at all. If this was true then it would be true of all the characters. The characters are the plot, so the character connected to everyone has not lost relevance to the plot.
Con? I don’t understand…. Should I have hope or…. no, judt don’t tell me… let me dreaamm.
I think that means you should not hope. That Neal is dead and gone and never coming back. Though the way the writers talk about all of that, i haven’t hoped that he would be back for real since the end of Season 3.
Well i don’t think the cast knew that Elsa was going to come out of the urn at the end of Season 3 because that was not the original plan. They changed whatever they intended when they were told they could do Frozen by ABC at the last second.
Though i do think that if the actors were seeing Neal say something by his grave then they would have to know that was what they were acting against. I just don’t get how the producers would get around that. What exactly did Jennifer say in the interview? Did she say that Neal wasn’t in the episode or did she just say his issues were resolved?
I think the potion might be given to Emma from Merida, who will get named dropped but not seen. I think Rumple might steal the potion from Emma after the Neal scene, take it to the Hellbrooke shop and try to recreate it to talk to Neal again, or figure out how to bring him back. That’s when Pan comes in and interrupts
That’s a good idea. Rumpel actively trying to save Neal at least would make sense.
