Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
[adrotate group="5"]
It doesn’t seem like the character Emma is chasing is magical. There is no reason Emma can’t remember this character. And Emma never talks about her past with anyone, at least not in a long time.
JMo look at Colin in character, like she looked at MRJ in character.
Sure she smiled….but she never beamed.For real. I agree. Jennifer was definitely playing her relationship with Neal as the relationship for her character.
With regards to Jane and showrunning/who’s dictating behind the scenes, she once said (back in 2014)
A showrunner has to have a bit of dictator in them and has to be able to say, “Yeah, I know you don’t think you quite have enough work with it. I know you’re not happy. Deal with it.” You have to be willing to piss people off, willing to make the unpopular decision. I think it’s a job that requires a lot of toughness. I think it requires a willingness to offend because you’ve got to see the people that are standing between you and your vision.
X I suspect A and E don’t have the backbone Jane is describing. They caved to popularity, fandom demand (or what is perceived as fandom demand) and what ABC thought was best. Sold their vision and story for shiny, in other words.
I definitely agree with this. I don’t think A and E have any business being show runners. They just don’t have the backbone to hold the line for their stories. They should never have given in to any pressure to change the story by getting rid of Neal and keeping on Hook. I don’t think i have ever seen a show just completely ruin their show in such a way. Certainly other shows have made similar decisions by introducing another love interest, but Neal was so much more then Emma’s love interest. His story was the poetry of the show, it was the grand arc. He was the point of connection for Rumpel. He melded the family together. He offered so much more depth. There are things that you can’t do as a writer and just pulling out the very fabric of your long term story is one of those things. I am not sure that A and E even realize that they ruined their own show either.
You can’t say that Jane can’t take credit on her good episodes and blame her on the bad ones. Every writer gets outlines from the showrunner for the episode and they need to follow those outlines. While the twists in Skin Deep might not have been Jane’s idea, the dialogues are hers, this episode could have failed with a different writer. Another example I can give is 504 and 507, both showed a rushed relationships of two new characters, but 507 handled the relationship better than 504.
I do agree that Jane is good at dialogue, she just isn’t good at plot and it shows in her episodes, in my opinion. Also there was some weird dialogue in Skin Deep too. I can’t remember what it is though right now, but i definitely remember having conversations about the dialogue in that episode.
I know that most people seem to think that Jennifer likes Captain Swan, but i don’t think she does. I think she makes fun of it in the same way she used to make fun of Swan Queen. She laughs at it because she thinks it is silly. I do think there is this weird thing though when they are in those large group comic con things, the audience is screaming and squealing when people hug and such nonsense. Then when the actors are in the small table interviews with the reporters and bloggers it is just completely different. It is like when they are in the big comic cons, they are nervous and being silly because the crowd is too, but in the table interviews they are having a serious conversation with like six adults, so they give more serious responses. So it is different. I know most people disagree, but i just don’t think Jennifer likes Captain Swan even a little bit. I think that is one of the reason she is like the show is over at six seasons (because she is out). The thing is she will never say that she hates things about the show just like she doesn’t make fun of the show House in public even though she is very obviously annoyed with whatever went down with that show. It isn’t appropriate for her to make fun of the show in public as much as she might want to.
This sounds spot on to me, and I think you’re right, it has a lot to do with generational access to certain ideas. And while I was being a bit facetious with my comments, I think maybe what I was trying to get is that there’s a step, I think, between being a fan and liking certain forms of entertainment, and being a member of a fandom, and one that is very active in particular ways. We all consume all sorts of media, and we all participate, in one way or another, in fandom(s). While I personally find 50SOG risible, this doesn’t mean that I would find the person who gets a kick out of it risible. What one does in the privacy of their imagination is absolutely their business. In fact I think it’s possible — and probably necessary — to enjoy something while not shying away from critiquing it. I suppose I’m fascinated with this particular aspect of OUAT’s fandom culture because it almost looks like OUAT’s creators produced this Frankenstein’s creature, that, like in the book, they’re now unable to control and are terrified of (and maybe for good reason). And I guess I’m curious about the different social processes that have made this possible. Hearing you folks discuss it, I think a good chunk of the responsibility for this lies on the shoulders of the OUAT crew, and perhaps even ABC, in that it almost looks like they fed it, or at least didn’t set a tone of cordiality and respectfulness, but enabled something really unpleasant to emerge.
I agree. I think that because the Ouat cast and crew have not spoke against the crazy, going so far as to lie and say that CS was planned, when in the past they have said the exact opposite, making mocking remarks at SQ, not speaking against the death threats and just horrible things has caused this. The writers have just lost their way. They seem to think the crazy people on the internet, the most vocal, somehow speak for the average viewer. That is just not so. The very sexist, misogynistic, homophobic view that they have gained because of a few crazy people on the internet now permeates their writing. They actually think that most women are silly girls who want to see someone as foul as Hook with the main protagonist Emma, when that is just not true. I think that the writers of this show need to pull their heads out of the cesspool that is Hollywood and twitter and realize that there are normal people out in the world that want to see well thought out and complicated plots and characters with real depth.
