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It is absolutely something that is intentionally done. The writers do not sit down and say “hey let’s have a shark jump” but they do think about some sort of gimmick or plotline, that will keep people watching and bring back those lost eyeballs. Again, think about Frozen. We know A and E had an entirely different ending planned for S3B that got canned because they got permission to do Frozen. They jumped at being able to use Frozen because they knew it would bring in those eyeballs. The writers on Happy Days did not having the Fonz jump over a shark cause they thought it fit with the show and made sense. They did it because they knew people would watch that event and (hopefully) continue to watch afterwards. And they did. It lasted a few more years after the shark jump.
Exactly this. They intentionally did these things to keep people watching because the show was declining.
[adrotate group="5"]I would consider keeping Hook on the show to be jumping the shark, a failed jump. I would also consider them doing Frozen to be jumping the shark as well. Both of these things were changes that were made at the last minute because they thought it would keep people watching.
You’re thinking of a ratings stunt. Quoting the linked article:
A poorly-executed Ratings Stunt may cause a show to Jump the Shark, while having many in a single season may indicate the show already has.
Jumping the shark is merely defined by TVTropes as:
The point where a series is officially undergoing Seasonal Rot.
It is not something that is intentionally done, unless the writers are deliberately trying to screw over their show, so it will get cancelled. Whether or not Adam and Eddy are doing that is something we could debate for ages. I, personally, think they’re just that bad of writers.
“Jumping the shark” is an idiom used to describe the moment in the evolution of a television show when it begins a decline in quality, signaled by a particular scene, episode, or aspect of a show in which the writers use some type of gimmick in an attempt to keep viewers’ interest, which is taken as a sign of desperation, and is seen by viewers to be the point at which the show strayed irretrievably from its original formula.
I do mean jumping the shark. I think the quality of Ouat declined drastically at the end of Season 2. Tamara, Greg, Snow saying they should save Regina from the town destroying rock, and keeping Hook on the show and making him a love interest. Keeping Hook on the show was the jump the shark moment. The show was declining and making him a love interest, creating a love triangle, was the gimmick they used to keep the viewers interest, a failed gimmick, which i believe was the point at which the show strayed irretrievably from it’s original formula.
The second jump being them doing Frozen. The show was again in decline because of the death of Neal and the ridiculous problems with Zelena and the inclusion of Hook as a love interest. The writers decided to do Frozen. Frozen was the first time they focused completely on side characters that are not relevant to the plot, the frozen characters, giving them large portions of the flashbacks, too much focus. In a desperate attempt to keep viewers interest, this is the point at which the show strayed irretrievably from its original formula by no longer giving proper focus to the main characters to the complete determent of the show.
I would consider keeping Hook on the show to be jumping the shark, a failed jump. I would also consider them doing Frozen to be jumping the shark as well. Both of these things were changes that were made at the last minute because they thought it would keep people watching.
Casting news is not kept secret though. The last time MRJ was on the show he tweeted that he was on set filming and Adam said he would be back on the show. I am just not convinced. I want him back on the show, but this just isn’t enough information to convince me. We’ll see i guess. I am just not hoping for anything.
I don’t think the writers keep things surprises and i don’t think they care or are even aware of what will make fans angry.
I think the biggest thing against any of this meaning anything is that there was no announcement that Neal would be back for a scene. They would announce it, so i think he isn’t going to be in the episode.
They work on the episode almost right up until they are aired. Especially for the first episode back. They seem to do more work on those.
It would be so easy to bring back Neal. Just have him not be dead. His body was laying in the forest. He could so easily have been saved by some magical whatever and his body replaced just like they did with Archie. It is much easier to bring back Neal then the convoluted nonsense they did to bring back Zelena.
If Neal does offer some warning, i think that could be just a couple lines and he’s out.
I have just stated that i do not believe the writers get to decided canon and then you quote the writers trying to decide canon. I don’t care what the writers think canon is, they don’t get to decide it. Isn’t there a deleted scene where about the swan necklace that cannot be canon? I haven’t seen them so i am not sure, but i remember people talking about it not making sense. Deleted scenes cannot be canon because of the contradictions in them
That’s the problem. Cut scenes are cut. The others have offered examples where the deleted scenes and comics contradict the show as well. The show contradicts itself enough without unnecessarily adding in outside material that the vast majority of the audience has not seen. It is much more valid to describe canon, in my opinion, as that which most people have seen and would accept as happening on the show then to site outside sources that most people have not seen. Adam may want to fix the mistakes he made on the show by answering questions on twitter, but i shouldn’t have to know anything outside of the tv episodes to know what is going on. He doesn’t get to try and fix it via comments.
