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I think Bae was in the first ogres war as well. Like the war had been going on for that long. Just because Granny can’t be older then like 70 i would think so her brothers could only be in a war that was around 100 years Before Curse.
@Lil’Red wrote:
Going to share this in case it jogs anymore interesting ideas:
Had a discussion a few days ago with my mom about Emma’s past. My mom was very adamant that Emma wanted to raise Henry, even at 17. Even when I countered with, “isn’t it refreshing seeing someone make a responsible decision and realizing they were over their heads?” she wouldn’t budge from the idea that Emma would have wanted to raise Henry, knowing how things go in foster care. She has decided that Emma resorted to some type of theft (that’s her criminal record) in order to provide for Henry, was caught and made some type of deal to get her record expunged as long as the child was signed over to the state (I think she thinks Gold left Storybrooke to make this ‘deal’) Haven’t explained to her about Worcester or how Rumple didn’t have his memory back yet.
*Most if not all of this happened after she watched True North!Even though a lot of this doesn’t work with what we know, it started me thinking about WHY Emma would put a child into foster care after her experience with it. She is even aware that babies are returned from homes and can be just as unwanted.
I wondered too. I sort of agree that it doesn’t quite make sense to me that Emma would just give him up to the system, but at the same time i think she would think she couldn’t do it and the system is all she knows. I think that is why i like the idea that she kept Henry for a few weeks and then gave him up and maybe picked the parent somehow. Though in the pilot Emma said parents which made me think she thought Henry went to a couple, but still maybe if Emma picked because that would sort of be her magic and her choice controlling that. I like that, but who knows what they will do it will probably be someone evil controlling the situation instead.
And actually what i am saying is that Emma was arrested in Worcester, did her time in Mass and then got out right after Henry was born and took him to Phoenix and left him in a hospital there. Who knows though.
@Lil’Red wrote:
It’s difficult looking back because I do want to lump everything Emma has said together to explain Henry’s birth/Henry’s dad/her criminal record, but really her comments cover almost ten years of bad relationships and moving around and might not all be about the events between being 17 to 18. But still, I’m also trying to make sense of it all together!
I agree that everything she has said might not be from the same incident with the father. Like the getting together with a married guy comment. I do think that the living out of the back seat of the car thing likely has to do with Henry and her because it was during one of the Emma episodes were she was throughout the entire episode talking about the difficult of having a child so young and how she felt pushed to give him up and was told she wasn’t ready and her fear of failing him and all that.
What story does everyone think that is? A sword for higher that lost his true love and was banished from his kingdom?
I sort of think Robin Hood, but i am not sure that quite fits. Thoughts?
I don’t think Belle really knows Rumpel at all either. All she knows about him is when they were alone and like oncescape said she knows nothing about the fact that he is actively ruining the lives of people around him for his own purposes still. And they aren’t even for anyone else they are all his own reasons. Bae did not want Rumpel to save him from the wars, he did not want him to kill the cart guy or the mute maid, and he wanted Rumpel to give up his magic and power and come through the vortex with him to our world. Rumpel didn’t do any of those things. He just does what he wants for his own purposes without any regard for anyone else including Bae. And so far we haven’t seen any change.
I actually think they heavily implied Stockholm syndrome in the show with Regina’s whole comment about not telling a woman to kiss a man who held her captive. And with the way Belle chipped the cup and thought Rumpel would freak out and then was happy when he didn’t scream at her which is pretty much what Stockholm syndrome is. It does seem like they are implying that she is his love though for the purposes if the show.
I don’t like Josh Holloway for an adult Bae. He sounds too southern to me no matter how much he tries to hide it. Not that there is anything wrong with that it just wouldn’t work for me for Bae to sound southern. I think the guy who plays Jack, Matthew Fox, looks more like an adult Bae then any of the cast.
And i am probably not quite right about this. It is just we know that Emma is already living on her own at the point she is arrested. Already out of the system. And yet the incident for which she is arrested seems to involve either her foster family or this friend of a foster family which makes me think it is something like Emma going back to them to get back at them or the father going there wanting to get back at them when he learns what they did to Emma or just something like that.
And since Emma finds out she is pregnant shortly after she is arrested and the father doesn’t know at least as far as Emma is aware. It just makes me think the father might have been involved in the incident that Emma was arrested for and that it is in some ways his fault that Emma got arrested. I am sure it is Emma’s fault as well, but there is a shared blame. I am all for people accepting their fault and not trying to bump it off as if they didn’t cause real harm just because they didn’t mean for it to happen.
We will see. I do hope they go more into Emma’s back story in the next season.
Right. Though i do think that whatever the father did has to be something real. Like what Snow did to Regina. She really told Cora about Daniel after Regina very specifically asked her not to and that is important. Even though Snow was a child and naive and her intention was not harm and she was manipulated, in the end she did it. She told Cora and Daniel died because of it.
I think that the father needs to have done something even if it is something like he suggests to Emma that she stand up to her abuser and then when they get there and there is a confrontation the police show up the father leaves her there. Leaves her and he doesn’t come forward about whatever happened. And so Emma gets put in jail. It just needs to be real whatever is done and not just a complete misunderstanding.
Like with Regina and Snow it is a misunderstanding in some ways, but in another way Snow is responsible for what happened because if she had just done as Regina asked none of that would have happened. And that is real responsibility even if they need to move past that it doesn’t mean that what was done wasn’t true and real and harmful and i think the same thing needs to be said for whatever happened between Emma and the father, whether it is Bae or not.
@Lil’Red wrote:
For others thinking Henry’s dad is Bae, Worcester is an hour outside of Boston – sometimes less. It wouldn’t be unthinkable that Bae could have traveled from Boston to Worcester for an evening and met Emma there. If either of them had even tried to look the other up in the last 10 years, it could be difficult because neither lived in Worcester, both were just visiting.
What i think happened is that Emma’s former foster parents were visiting these friends in Worcester or Emma lived in Worcester and her last foster family lived nearby or something like that because by this point i think Emma was already emancipated and out on her own. And so Emma was there and something happened where either her foster father or one of their friends had hurt her in the past and Emma either went their to confront them or something along those lines and Emma either beat the guy up or damaged some property. Something like that. But Emma got in trouble for it because she already had issues and they just assumed it was her.
I really think that Emma was abused whether sexually or physically, i am not sure, but either way i think that trying to get out of that situation or get back at the person who did it to her is going to lead to her arrest, but once again that is just a theory.
